ReRolling to Stam in PVP

DUTCH_REAPER

This upcoming patch has only reinforced to me the significant gap between mag and Stam in Cyrodil. As such I am looking to truly devote my play time to my Stam class. So my dilemma is Stam DK or Stam NB. I have both CP700. No tank . Looking for recommendations on gear / skills because I know there are some righteously good Stam players out there and your input is valuable.

Thank you for your time

Cheers

Waffennacht

What's your style? Dk is longer combat, battling it out for a while. NBs are far more in and out, either dead or killing in just a few secs.

What style do you most prefer?

DUTCH_REAPER

In your face style.

AverageJo3Gam3r

Nooooooo...

Another mDK bites the dust. But seriously, knight errant+viper+dune ripper looks OP on a stamDK using light attack+ransack+bash.

I think you'll find stamDK very similar to the mDK playstyle. 1HS and 2H. You'll love the execute. Same resource management as a mDK with better heals.

DUTCH_REAPER

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Nooooooo...

Another mDK bites the dust. But seriously, knight errant+viper+dune ripper looks OP on a stamDK using light attack+ransack+bash.

I think you'll find stamDK very similar to the mDK playstyle. 1HS and 2H. You'll love the execute. Same resource management as a mDK with better heals.

Hahaha I needed that laugh thanks man.

Dude in PTS ....Stam was still way above par in terms of PVP. I held on as long as I could bro. I looked into those sets for a Stam DK. Yes. That looks like what I will do so far unless someone else has another suggestion. Btw thanks for your input.

Lokey0024

Stam dk. Major mending+ vitality pots make it so you can play a bit looser then a NB. NB do have a passive health bonus if you where looking at the new regen builds. Ogrums maybe?

AverageJo3Gam3r

I hear ya. My two mains are a stamDK and mDK. I prefer the mDK playstyle, but have to load up my stamDK every few days for my sanity.

DUTCH_REAPER

I guess that's how I can convince myself it's okay then...at least I'll still be in a DK

WreckfulAbandon

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Stam dk. Major mending+ vitality pots make it so you can play a bit looser then a NB. NB do have a passive health bonus if you where looking at the new regen builds. Ogrums maybe?

Yes, I would certainly agree that Major Mending + Major Vitality allows much looser play.

Reevster

Ya dont blame you, I have been a Magic class mostly up until a few months ago when i started playing stam classes.

Magic class have just been getting crappier and crappier sadly.

RIP my Mag Sorc, Mag NB , Mag DK , but my Mag Templar is still somewhat usefull.

Hello to Stam Sorc , Stam NB, Stam DK , not sure about Templar atm.

Rohamad_Ali

After much testing I've come to same conclusions . I can't go a entire patch cycle getting rekt by stamina builds any more . RIP Majic .

Astanphaeus

I read the patch notes and finally gave up on my mDK too. I've held out hope for a year that my mDK would be put on par with other classes, or at least magicka would be on par with stam and nothing. Having now read through the new item sets, it is even worse. Trying out a stam sorc orc now.

AverageJo3Gam3r

But hey, there's a thread about nerfing mDKs because one time it took a nightblade 5 seconds to kill a mDK instead of 2 seconds

DUTCH_REAPER

Lol my SORC is now my master crafter. My mDK I used in PVP will be my classic relic in the garage, my mNB is my extra bag space. Sad times are upon us my friends lol. Time to learn how to Stam. Haha

DUTCH_REAPER

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

But hey, there's a thread about nerfing mDKs because one time it took a nightblade 5 seconds to kill a mDK instead of 2 seconds

Hahahaha I know I saw that too. I don't want to get in err a /cough trouble again so I didn't respond in it. It's ludacris how some people think in terms of "balance" in this game.

LBxFinalDeath

Tbh, magicka builds will probably end up hitting harder in the end due to everyone stacking physical and poison resist due to the STAM meta rather than stacking spell resist in their CP and sets.

I know right now a DPS Magic Nightblade slaughters DPS Stamblades in fights nine times outta ten.

Rohamad_Ali

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Tbh, magicka builds will probably end up hitting harder in the end due to everyone stacking physical and poison resist due to the STAM meta rather than stacking spell resist in their CP and sets.

I know right now a DPS Magic Nightblade slaughters DPS Stamblades in fights nine times outta ten.

Wut

LBxFinalDeath

Wot you mean Wut?

Stam builds are becoming the norm so everyone is stacking into physical resist and poison resist....not elemental and magic resist.

As such overloads and for example concealed weapons technically should hit quite hard.

For example....back when Sorcs were king and everyone raged at their shields everyone took a lot less damage from magic damage and elemental due to stacking into resisting it in order to counter Sorcs.

Now that Magic Sorc is kind of dead, those same people flipped to resist physical/poison.

While people could take like 5 or so Overloads back then they would probably die to 2 to 3 now (once they hit of course. lol)

Rohamad_Ali

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Wot you mean Wut?

Stam builds are becoming the norm so everyone is stacking into physical resist and poison resist....not elemental and magic resist.

As such overloads and for example concealed weapons technically should hit quite hard.

For example....back when Sorcs were king and everyone raged at their shields everyone took a lot less damage from magic damage and elemental due to stacking into resisting it in order to counter Sorcs.

Now that Magic Sorc is kind of dead, those same people flipped to resist physical/poison.

Do you play a Magic Nightblade ? I am asking because I do not see what you are saying at all in PvP . Magic damage does not stack like stamina damage . You have to put every last penny into light armors , Magic damage stats in CP and hope for a good burst just to dent most stam users . It can be done but it does not leave enough sustain and protection if the battle goes on for more then a few seconds .

You may see a bomb blade like Deltia or Sypher but the whole build is on quick damage and run . Stamina night blade can deal damage and stay in the fight even out numbered and still 1vsX groups with dodge roll , rally and vigor . Magic nightblade heals were nerfed bad with funnel health long ago . Relying on healing ward and no second bar of good damage attacks with weapon bonuses .

LBxFinalDeath

I do indeed have a Magic Nightblade, he is a Breton tribune.

I run mirage over double take so I can stand and fight a bit more than the common Mageblade.

I run Julianos with two piece kena and torug swords and a defending resto (extra tankiness on resto bar that I use in conjunction with mirage and the coming out of cloak/hit an enemy with concealed weapon/surprise attack spell/physical resist buff to push my resistances to near 28K, it goes over 30K with lord warden (the 1 piece and 50% chance when damaged to gain even more tankiness pushes me over the cap)

I use two piece heavy and the rest light armor with dual wield that have the nirnhoned trait (3200 without major sorcery spell dmg) with quite a few points in the spell pen CP tree.

I don't really ever struggle in 1v1 scenarios, I am quite easy to kill if I'm killed before I get my buffs up though of course.

I try and fight in the warden circle whenever I can (in it my dual wield is at where my resto resistances are pre-warden, resto shield stack when hurt and switch back to my dual wield and resume damaging.)

I switch inbetween kena and warden depending on how fights have gone that day, if I need the two piece damage boost from kena I run that....if I need tankiness because I'm being hit hard I run warden.)

Stamblades don't have any kind of chance if they can't kill me before I can react, my biggest counter are Stamplars and StamDKs tbh. (Jabs and root spam tbh)

Oh and of course Magic Sorcs, its hard to break the shield stack they have even if they don't last all that long.

All this goes with blue food thats max HP and Max Magicka, my heavy attacks with my dual wield pretty much fill up my entire bar in two heavy attacks, I'm sitting at like 43K max magicka on him with all the increase magicka buffs Nightblade and Mages guild gives, no regen though...I switch to my tanky af resto and beam people til I can fight again.

Rohamad_Ali

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

I do indeed have a Magic Nightblade, he is a Breton tribune.

I run mirage over double take so I can stand and fight a bit more than the common Mageblade.

I run Julianos with two piece kena and torug swords and a defending resto (extra tankiness on resto bar that I use in conjunction with mirage and the coming out of cloak/hit an enemy with concealed weapon/surprise attack spell/physical resist buff to push my resistances to near 28K, it goes over 30K with lord warden (the 1 piece and 50% chance when damaged to gain even more tankiness pushes me over the cap)

I use two piece heavy and the rest light armor with dual wield that have the nirnhoned trait (3200 without major sorcery spell dmg) with quite a few points in the spell pen CP tree.

I don't really ever struggle in 1v1 scenarios, I am quite easy to kill if I'm killed before I get my buffs up though of course.

I try and fight in the warden circle whenever I can (in it my dual wield is at where my resto resistances are pre-warden, resto shield stack when hurt and switch back to my dual wield and resume damaging.)

I switch inbetween kena and warden depending on how fights have gone that day, if I need the two piece damage boost from kena I run that....if I need tankiness because I'm being hit hard I run warden.)

Stamblades don't have any kind of chance if they can't kill me before I can react, my biggest counter are Stamplars and StamDKs tbh. (Jabs and root spam tbh)

Oh and of course Magic Sorcs, its hard to break the shield stack they have even if they don't last all that long.

All this goes with blue food thats max HP and Max Magicka, my heavy attacks with my dual wield pretty much fill up my entire bar in two heavy attacks, I'm sitting at like 43K max magicka on him with all the increase magicka buffs Nightblade and Mages guild gives, no regen though...I switch to my tanky af resto and beam people til I can fight again.

So how well do you do against multiple opponents with this ? I find it much easier on my stamblade to fight more then one person then on my Magblade . Granted my stamblade is higher cp but I had better results even when he was lower .

LBxFinalDeath

Depends on the classes of those I fight in 1vX scenarios.

If theres a DK in the mix thats any kind of competent they are just gonna root spam me out of my attacking range and I kind of have to sit there and take it.

I have quite a few times killed root spamming DKs down in the sewers but they were within my concealed weapons range.

It essentially comes down to if I'm being mobbed by a bunch of mediocre to semi-competent players I have a good to great chance of winning.

Hard hitting soul tethers are nice, follow 'em up with concealed weapon spam usually ends a couple of the group then the rest usually try and disengage in order to wait for their group to return. (Which actually happened the other day in Bruma)

Every now and again I'll just go on a light attack spree with merciless resolve then tether into the spectral bow, which near guaranteed instakills non-blocking enemies.

If I'm fighting a coordinated group who know I'm a Mageblade it doesn't end well, it uh...usually ends with me being zerged down.

I try and flee when fighting a large group of good players tbh.

Rohamad_Ali

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Depends on the classes of those I fight in 1vX scenarios.

If theres a DK in the mix thats any kind of competent they are just gonna root spam me out of my attacking range and I kind of have to sit there and take it.

I have quite a few times killed root spamming DKs down in the sewers but they were within my concealed weapons range.

It essentially comes down to if I'm being mobbed by a bunch of mediocre to semi-competent players I have a good to great chance of winning.

If I'm fighting a coordinated group who know I'm a Mageblade it doesn't end well, it uh...usually ends with me being zerged down.

I try and flee when fighting a large group of good players tbh.

Same here mostly . Would you agree stam nightblade has a easier time in these battle ? I don't know if you have a stamblade too , but on mine , my survivability is twice as long in same scenario . Dodge roll shuffle seems way better then mirage magica counter part . Rally heals feel much stronger then long wait time of healing ward and Vigor instant heal and dot on top makes my stamblade stay up much longer then magic .

Do you see sort of what I am saying ? Most PvP is no 1 Vs 1 scenarios when I play .

LBxFinalDeath

Yeah, I'd say being able to dodge roll spam ups survivability in those kind of fights.

The resto shield is a hard counter to what is a hard counter to a Stamblade though, the Magic Templars beam of Jesus.

I've had Templars just stop trying to beam me if I have a staff in my hand tbh, though on my wood elf Stamblade they don't care about the dodge rolls, its 24/7 beam that goes through every rock and tree and sometimes even keep walls so if I get hit by anything hard it'll doom me and more than likely cause the RD to execute me.

Its one of the reasons I prefer my Mageblade, I do thanks to the near infinite cloaks and speed of a Magic Nightblade try and find targets that are alone (Usually are stacked with tel var or have been alive for a while in open world cyrodiil so a lot of AP). I don't run a gap close (it gets me killed more than it does on my stamblade) so I guess I try and always go for 1v1 fights on my Magic Nightblade.

Fighting big groups in general I try and stay away from unless I'm running with friends though even on my Stamblade.

Though my Stamblade is infinitely more squishy than my Mageblade...so yeah.

Rohamad_Ali

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Yeah, I'd say being able to dodge roll spam ups survivability in those kind of fights.

The resto shield is a hard counter to what is a hard counter to a Stamblade though, the Magic Templars beam of Jesus.

I've had Templars just stop trying to beam me if I have a staff in my hand tbh, though on my wood elf Stamblade they don't care about the dodge rolls, its 24/7 beam that goes through every rock and tree and sometimes even keep walls so if I get hit by anything hard it'll doom me and more than likely cause the RD to execute me.

Its one of the reasons I prefer my Mageblade, I do thanks to the near infinite cloaks and speed of a Magic Nightblade try and find targets that are alone (Usually are stacked with tel var or have been alive for a while in open world cyrodiil so a lot of AP). I don't run a gap close (it gets me killed more than it does on my stamblade) so I guess I try and always go for 1v1 fights on my Magic Nightblade.

Fighting big groups in general I try and stay away from unless I'm running with friends though even on my Stamblade.

Though my Stamblade is infinitely more squishy than my Mageblade...so yeah.

I see your point of view . I think we agree on a couple points but having different views on overall performance of magic vs stamina . But to each their own , good talk .

Junkogen

Yeah, I'm in a similar situation. It appears that the reign of stamina will continue through the next update.

RebornV3x

I rerolled my mag sorc to stamina its very nice my buddy just rerolled a stam dk and he loves it

Bakven

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom how much more do you need to realize that magicka classes are dying while every patch, every update only makes the stamina classes more OP?

Seriously! BALANCE THE DAMN GAME!

Kas

Good! I played mag templar far too long (1.6 + 1.7). Only when people finally started switching chars, they were buffed back into the good state (still no stam but very good) they are in now. ZOS just doesn't listen. But they look on numbers w,r,t, what's played.

If you want to get the fotm nerfed, ignore forums and instead get everyone to play it!

that said:
velidreth + viper + blackrose on sc/tp/dk
velidreth + viper + widdow on nb

for maximum abuse of broken things

#fix the game by abusing broken stuff

alephthiago

Hey Dutch, that makes me really sad, always loved your vids and tips for Mdks.
Can you give some input in this idea?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3327323#Comment_3327323

Jsmalls

I'm about to jump on the Stamina Train as well, feel like ZoS has given me no other option, Stamina gets more and more powerful each update.

So Stam Sorc it is for me. -1 Mag Sorc.

As far as sets, viper is ridiculously strong on NBs due to their ability to use dual wield very effectively (class gap closer and execute). Comboed with Velidreth and a decent 5 piece to take care of a bit more damage and sustain and you're one shotting players "like a pro".

I'm going to try different combinations with Viper, because that additional 5k damage into your bursts is too much to not run. (Thanks ZoS...)