Which crafted armor set is the best for PVP?

altemriel

I mostly played PVE so far and my Redguard stam DK, damage dealer, with 2H/bow is running 5 Hunding`s range and 2 (+weapons) Nightmother`s gaze, 7 medium, infused/divines, all purple (getting gold slowly), 5 increase max stamina gold enchants/2 increase max health gold enchants. Jewelry I run Ravages robust, but am about to get Agility robust of course.

Which would be the best crafted armor for PVP?
Would it still be 5 Hunding`s range/2 (+ weapons) Nightmother`s gaze? But 7 impenetrable and let`s say 5 medium/2 heavy?Enchants the same I suppose.

KingYogi415

Black Rose and bloodspawn.

Cheers!

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Black Rose and bloodspawn.

Cheers!

Neither of those are crafted.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

It depends on your playstyle and what your aiming for -
Ganking, sustain, 1v1/dueling, tank, middle ground etc.

I'd say hundings rage is good pve but I personally don't rate it that highly in pvp.

You mentioned 2h/bow:
Eternal hunt is good for this sort of build, I enjoy it. Can stack WD highly elsewhere.

For magic: kagernarcs hope, seducer, Magnus are good in pvp.

Black rose is a very powerful set, but it's not a crafted set. And it's a heavy armour set, you seem like your aiming for a medium armour build?

KingYogi415

It's still without a doubt the best Stam DK PVP set. Any monster set would work with it.

I guess you could just re-craft all your same gear in Impen..

BruhItsOver9000

Clever alchemist, Most OP crafted set ever.

altemriel

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

It depends on your playstyle and what your aiming for -
Ganking, sustain, 1v1/dueling, tank, middle ground etc.

I'd say hundings rage is good pve but I personally don't rate it that highly in pvp.

You mentioned 2h/bow:
Eternal hunt is good for this sort of build, I enjoy it. Can stack WD highly elsewhere.

For magic: kagernarcs hope, seducer, Magnus are good in pvp.

Black rose is a very powerful set, but it's not a crafted set. And it's a heavy armour set, you seem like your aiming for a medium armour build?

I play usually (how to describe it... ..this is my first MMO, so I am not sure if I will categorize it right...) direct meele, sustain, stamina and yes, for PVE I play 7 medium for stamina bonus

sorry, what is the meaning of the abbreviation "WD"? did you mean WB (Wrecking blow)?or you mean something else?

Eternal hunt is a pure stamina bonus set I see, the 5 piece bonus is interresting, I like the weapon crit and weapon dmg bonuses of Hunding`s though. I amnot sure if it is better to trade if for max stam and stam regen bonuses..
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Eternal+Hunt+Set


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Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Black Rose and bloodspawn.

Cheers!

Neither of those are crafted.

yes, I was thinking about crafted sets

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BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

Clever alchemist, Most OP crafted set ever.

I see that clever alchemist is a magicka bonus set, but I play stamina
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Clever+Alchemist+Set

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somebody mentioned Asheen Grip here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/213247/hundings-rage-vs-night-mothers-gaze
but I am not sure if I want to trade the stamina bonus of Hunding`s for health bonus of Asheen.
And also Asheen gives 129 weapon dmg + 688 weapon crit, while Hundings gives 2x 688 weapon crit - could someone pls confirm if it is better to have weapon damage bonus or weapon crit? (I am very bad at math )
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Hunding's+Rage+Set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Ashen+Grip+Set

Schizoid-man

Night's Silence is good for getting out of trouble. You can run normally whilst in stealth.

altemriel

Schizoid-man wrote: »

Night's Silence is good for getting out of trouble. You can run normally whilst in stealth.

yes, I know that set, but you have to have 5 pieces to get the bonus you are talking about and I don`t want to trade it for the bonuses of Hundings ( http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Hunding's+Rage+Set )
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Night's+Silence+Set

I have 5 pieces Night silence crafted and I used to switch to it when I was doing Thieves guild quests .

altemriel

This is an interresting comparison of Hungings vs Nightmother from @Alcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjq7srZovgM

Asmael

If you want pure crafted armor on everything bar jewelry, you can go for 5 Eternal Hunt and 4 Morkuldin. This is a flexible option with a pretty high regen, a strong 5p bonus, and enough bonuses for relatively high bonus damage. When it comes to traits, Sharpened for weapons and a fair amount of Impen for the armor (at least 4).

Avoid combos such as 5 hundings / 4 NMG, critical hits are not as relevant in PvP due to shields (crit immunity) and crit resistance. The reason we are using Impen is to mitigate the damage spikes we're taking.

If you ever want to go for DW or SnB on your front bar (and have either bow or 2H on back bar), you could go for:
- 3 Eternal Hunt on the body
- 2 Eternal hunt DW or SnB
- 4 Clever alchemist on the body
- 1 Clever alchemist on the back bar (2H or bow)
Swap to your back bar, pop a pot, swap to your front bar, kill stuff.

I see that clever alchemist is a magicka bonus set, but I play stamina
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Clever+Alchemist+Set

This is not a "magicka set", it gives both spell power and weapon damage.

somebody mentioned Asheen Grip here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/213247/hundings-rage-vs-night-mothers-gaze
but I am not sure if I want to trade the stamina bonus of Hunding`s for health bonus of Asheen.
And also Asheen gives 129 weapon dmg + 688 weapon crit, while Hundings gives 2x 688 weapon crit - could someone pls confirm if it is better to have weapon damage bonus or weapon crit? (I am very bad at math )
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Hunding's+Rage+Set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Ashen+Grip+Set

As already mentioned before, building for crit is not as relevant in PvP as it is in PvE, and even in PvE, weapon damage is usually the winner.

For armor weights, you have quite a few options: 5M/2H, 7M, 5H/2M or 7H. All have their strengths and weaknesses. If you rely more on dodging / kiting, you should head toward Medium, if you prefer to stand your ground, pick more Heavies.

There's more to a PvP build than gear alone, but this should be a flexible starter.

altemriel

Asmael wrote: »

If you want pure crafted armor on everything bar jewelry, you can go for 5 Eternal Hunt and 4 Morkuldin. This is a flexible option with a pretty high regen, a strong 5p bonus, and enough bonuses for relatively high bonus damage. When it comes to traits, Sharpened for weapons and a fair amount of Impen for the armor (at least 4).

Avoid combos such as 5 hundings / 4 NMG, critical hits are not as relevant in PvP due to shields (crit immunity) and crit resistance. The reason we are using Impen is to mitigate the damage spikes we're taking.

If you ever want to go for DW or SnB on your front bar (and have either bow or 2H on back bar), you could go for:
- 3 Eternal Hunt on the body
- 2 Eternal hunt DW or SnB
- 4 Clever alchemist on the body
- 1 Clever alchemist on the back bar (2H or bow)
Swap to your back bar, pop a pot, swap to your front bar, kill stuff.

I see that clever alchemist is a magicka bonus set, but I play stamina
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Clever+Alchemist+Set

This is not a "magicka set", it gives both spell power and weapon damage.

somebody mentioned Asheen Grip here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/213247/hundings-rage-vs-night-mothers-gaze
but I am not sure if I want to trade the stamina bonus of Hunding`s for health bonus of Asheen.
And also Asheen gives 129 weapon dmg + 688 weapon crit, while Hundings gives 2x 688 weapon crit - could someone pls confirm if it is better to have weapon damage bonus or weapon crit? (I am very bad at math )
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Hunding's+Rage+Set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Ashen+Grip+Set

As already mentioned before, building for crit is not as relevant in PvP as it is in PvE, and even in PvE, weapon damage is usually the winner.

For armor weights, you have quite a few options: 5M/2H, 7M, 5H/2M or 7H. All have their strengths and weaknesses. If you rely more on dodging / kiting, you should head toward Medium, if you prefer to stand your ground, pick more Heavies.

There's more to a PvP build than gear alone, but this should be a flexible starter.

ok, thank you for your advices and which armor sets would you recommend, if I want to go 2H/bow?

Draxys

Clever alchemist is not magicka, it is both magicka and stamina. If you play in a group, it provides the strongest burst dps you can achieve in pvp. And pvp is nearly exclusively about burst damage.

On a stamina NB, I am running 5 clever alchemist, 2 monster pieces, 3 agility, and 3 leki (I know that's more than the available slots, but I can explain if needed.) Buff up right before hitting enemy players, and you put out very strong damage.

altemriel

ok, and if I like to run 2H/bow, then which set combination would be the best for me?
as DD.

altemriel

Asmael wrote: »

If you want pure crafted armor on everything bar jewelry, you can go for 5 Eternal Hunt and 4 Morkuldin. This is a flexible option with a pretty high regen, a strong 5p bonus, and enough bonuses for relatively high bonus damage. When it comes to traits, Sharpened for weapons and a fair amount of Impen for the armor (at least 4).

Avoid combos such as 5 hundings / 4 NMG, critical hits are not as relevant in PvP due to shields (crit immunity) and crit resistance. The reason we are using Impen is to mitigate the damage spikes we're taking.

If you ever want to go for DW or SnB on your front bar (and have either bow or 2H on back bar), you could go for:
- 3 Eternal Hunt on the body
- 2 Eternal hunt DW or SnB
- 4 Clever alchemist on the body
- 1 Clever alchemist on the back bar (2H or bow)
Swap to your back bar, pop a pot, swap to your front bar, kill stuff.

I see that clever alchemist is a magicka bonus set, but I play stamina
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Clever+Alchemist+Set

This is not a "magicka set", it gives both spell power and weapon damage.

somebody mentioned Asheen Grip here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/213247/hundings-rage-vs-night-mothers-gaze
but I am not sure if I want to trade the stamina bonus of Hunding`s for health bonus of Asheen.
And also Asheen gives 129 weapon dmg + 688 weapon crit, while Hundings gives 2x 688 weapon crit - could someone pls confirm if it is better to have weapon damage bonus or weapon crit? (I am very bad at math )
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Hunding's+Rage+Set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Ashen+Grip+Set

As already mentioned before, building for crit is not as relevant in PvP as it is in PvE, and even in PvE, weapon damage is usually the winner.

For armor weights, you have quite a few options: 5M/2H, 7M, 5H/2M or 7H. All have their strengths and weaknesses. If you rely more on dodging / kiting, you should head toward Medium, if you prefer to stand your ground, pick more Heavies.

There's more to a PvP build than gear alone, but this should be a flexible starter.

hi, could you please explain how you mean 5 Eternal Hunt and 4 Morkuldin? How can it be 4 Morkudin, when I would use the 5 slots with Eternal Hunt? There are then only 2 armor slots left, right?

You mean + weapons? And what about jewelry? Which one would you recommend?

And is this combination also good for 2H (main bar)/bow (back bar)?

Asmael

altemriel wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

If you want pure crafted armor on everything bar jewelry, you can go for 5 Eternal Hunt and 4 Morkuldin. This is a flexible option with a pretty high regen, a strong 5p bonus, and enough bonuses for relatively high bonus damage. When it comes to traits, Sharpened for weapons and a fair amount of Impen for the armor (at least 4).

Avoid combos such as 5 hundings / 4 NMG, critical hits are not as relevant in PvP due to shields (crit immunity) and crit resistance. The reason we are using Impen is to mitigate the damage spikes we're taking.

If you ever want to go for DW or SnB on your front bar (and have either bow or 2H on back bar), you could go for:
- 3 Eternal Hunt on the body
- 2 Eternal hunt DW or SnB
- 4 Clever alchemist on the body
- 1 Clever alchemist on the back bar (2H or bow)
Swap to your back bar, pop a pot, swap to your front bar, kill stuff.

I see that clever alchemist is a magicka bonus set, but I play stamina
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Clever+Alchemist+Set

This is not a "magicka set", it gives both spell power and weapon damage.

somebody mentioned Asheen Grip here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/213247/hundings-rage-vs-night-mothers-gaze
but I am not sure if I want to trade the stamina bonus of Hunding`s for health bonus of Asheen.
And also Asheen gives 129 weapon dmg + 688 weapon crit, while Hundings gives 2x 688 weapon crit - could someone pls confirm if it is better to have weapon damage bonus or weapon crit? (I am very bad at math )
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Hunding's+Rage+Set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Ashen+Grip+Set

As already mentioned before, building for crit is not as relevant in PvP as it is in PvE, and even in PvE, weapon damage is usually the winner.

For armor weights, you have quite a few options: 5M/2H, 7M, 5H/2M or 7H. All have their strengths and weaknesses. If you rely more on dodging / kiting, you should head toward Medium, if you prefer to stand your ground, pick more Heavies.

There's more to a PvP build than gear alone, but this should be a flexible starter.

hi, could you please explain how you mean 5 Eternal Hunt and 4 Morkuldin? How can it be 4 Morkudin, when I would use the 5 slots with Eternal Hunt? There are then only 2 armor slots left, right?

You mean + weapons? And what about jewelry? Which one would you recommend?

And is this combination also good for 2H (main bar)/bow (back bar)?

The above suggestions were made with your setup in mind, so 5 Eternal Hunt on the body, 2 Morkuldin on the body, and Morkuldin weapons (in which case it's actually 3 Morkudlin and not 4 as I stated above, woops ).

You can stick to Agility for jewelry, but I didn't really mention it since you're focusing on crafted gear.

That said, it's only one setup, there are many more available if you're looking beyond crafted gear only.

altemriel

Asmael wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

If you want pure crafted armor on everything bar jewelry, you can go for 5 Eternal Hunt and 4 Morkuldin. This is a flexible option with a pretty high regen, a strong 5p bonus, and enough bonuses for relatively high bonus damage. When it comes to traits, Sharpened for weapons and a fair amount of Impen for the armor (at least 4).

Avoid combos such as 5 hundings / 4 NMG, critical hits are not as relevant in PvP due to shields (crit immunity) and crit resistance. The reason we are using Impen is to mitigate the damage spikes we're taking.

If you ever want to go for DW or SnB on your front bar (and have either bow or 2H on back bar), you could go for:
- 3 Eternal Hunt on the body
- 2 Eternal hunt DW or SnB
- 4 Clever alchemist on the body
- 1 Clever alchemist on the back bar (2H or bow)
Swap to your back bar, pop a pot, swap to your front bar, kill stuff.

I see that clever alchemist is a magicka bonus set, but I play stamina
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Clever+Alchemist+Set

This is not a "magicka set", it gives both spell power and weapon damage.

somebody mentioned Asheen Grip here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/213247/hundings-rage-vs-night-mothers-gaze
but I am not sure if I want to trade the stamina bonus of Hunding`s for health bonus of Asheen.
And also Asheen gives 129 weapon dmg + 688 weapon crit, while Hundings gives 2x 688 weapon crit - could someone pls confirm if it is better to have weapon damage bonus or weapon crit? (I am very bad at math )
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Hunding's+Rage+Set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Ashen+Grip+Set

As already mentioned before, building for crit is not as relevant in PvP as it is in PvE, and even in PvE, weapon damage is usually the winner.

For armor weights, you have quite a few options: 5M/2H, 7M, 5H/2M or 7H. All have their strengths and weaknesses. If you rely more on dodging / kiting, you should head toward Medium, if you prefer to stand your ground, pick more Heavies.

There's more to a PvP build than gear alone, but this should be a flexible starter.

hi, could you please explain how you mean 5 Eternal Hunt and 4 Morkuldin? How can it be 4 Morkudin, when I would use the 5 slots with Eternal Hunt? There are then only 2 armor slots left, right?

You mean + weapons? And what about jewelry? Which one would you recommend?

And is this combination also good for 2H (main bar)/bow (back bar)?

The above suggestions were made with your setup in mind, so 5 Eternal Hunt on the body, 2 Morkuldin on the body, and Morkuldin weapons (in which case it's actually 3 Morkudlin and not 4 as I stated above, woops ).

You can stick to Agility for jewelry, but I didn't really mention it since you're focusing on crafted gear.

That said, it's only one setup, there are many more available if you're looking beyond crafted gear only.

ok, thank you , and if I would also combine some monster sets to it, or other non-craftable sets, which combination would you recommend?


edit: and what about enchants? Should I go for all "increase max stam" enchant? or 5 "increase max stam", 2 "increase max health", which one for weapons? does Eternal Hunt and Morkuldin stack with any of the weapon enchants?

And for jewelry which enchants do you recommend? I run "increase weapon damage" enchants now

altemriel

And one more question:

do I understand it right, that the more max stamina I have, the more weapon damage I can do?

I know that there are also other variables that come into that equation, like set bonuses and CP points of course, enchants, ...., but do I understand it right, that also max stamina increases it?

Xvorg

Asmael wrote: »

If you want pure crafted armor on everything bar jewelry, you can go for 5 Eternal Hunt and 4 Morkuldin. This is a flexible option with a pretty high regen, a strong 5p bonus, and enough bonuses for relatively high bonus damage. When it comes to traits, Sharpened for weapons and a fair amount of Impen for the armor (at least 4).

Avoid combos such as 5 hundings / 4 NMG, critical hits are not as relevant in PvP due to shields (crit immunity) and crit resistance. The reason we are using Impen is to mitigate the damage spikes we're taking.

If you ever want to go for DW or SnB on your front bar (and have either bow or 2H on back bar), you could go for:
- 3 Eternal Hunt on the body
- 2 Eternal hunt DW or SnB
- 4 Clever alchemist on the body
- 1 Clever alchemist on the back bar (2H or bow)
Swap to your back bar, pop a pot, swap to your front bar, kill stuff.

I see that clever alchemist is a magicka bonus set, but I play stamina
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Clever+Alchemist+Set

This is not a "magicka set", it gives both spell power and weapon damage.

somebody mentioned Asheen Grip here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/213247/hundings-rage-vs-night-mothers-gaze
but I am not sure if I want to trade the stamina bonus of Hunding`s for health bonus of Asheen.
And also Asheen gives 129 weapon dmg + 688 weapon crit, while Hundings gives 2x 688 weapon crit - could someone pls confirm if it is better to have weapon damage bonus or weapon crit? (I am very bad at math )
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Hunding's+Rage+Set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Ashen+Grip+Set

As already mentioned before, building for crit is not as relevant in PvP as it is in PvE, and even in PvE, weapon damage is usually the winner.

For armor weights, you have quite a few options: 5M/2H, 7M, 5H/2M or 7H. All have their strengths and weaknesses. If you rely more on dodging / kiting, you should head toward Medium, if you prefer to stand your ground, pick more Heavies.

There's more to a PvP build than gear alone, but this should be a flexible starter.

Except for NMG, case in which you need to build a lot of crit chance (since crit chance reduces armor)