PvP Sorcerers are NOT DEAD!!!

gamerguy757

I just want to put this on since this class gets a lot of hate. I retired my sorc after DB since I thought they were dead. I went back to him and rebuilt him. And boy....he just kills all players. He completely destroys stam builds, and he just loves to play night blades. They stand no chance.
What do I do you ask? Well, follow my instructions:
1. DROP THE JULIANOS. Seriously, just do it.
2. DROP THE TORUGS PACT.
3. DROP THE TWO KENA.

In order to survive as a sorc in PvP, you need to lower spell damage unfortunately. Increase your magic and recovery. This is the build I use.
5x Elegance
5x Kagrenacs
1x Kena
Inferno staff (sharpened, weapon/spell damage enchant OR Increase Stamina Cost poison)
Restoration staff (Infused, Disease enchant)
Atronach Stone

5 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy , 5 divines, 2 Infused. Inferno/Resto staff.
buffed up, I have 39k magic, 1800 recovery, and 2800 Spell Damage.
My light attacks from my staff, are critical hitting Impen gear enemies for 5k. Heavy attacks (which i load up with a frag) will hit for 10k each time. And don't get me started on Overload's power.

So what's my point? Don't say Sorcs are dead because you can't use the staple set that everyone used. Try something new! This class is strong

Alpheu5

If you and others didn't abandon your Sorcerers immediately, you would have realized this a week or less after the patch went live. All that's listed here is a months-old meta.

DRXHarbinger

Quite happy running scathing and Kena on mine. Just overload anyone down, no heavy armour dk is surviving when I've got 1k ulti on the go lol.

Waffennacht

You can actually hurt a Temp or DK with 2800 spell dmg?

DRXHarbinger

Waffennacht wrote: »

You can actually hurt a Temp or DK with 2800 spell dmg?

Nope. You need big big damage. Make them heal themselves faster then their magika regen and nuke em when they are down. Templars are easy enough, simply stun like a frag followed by meteor gives enough distraction to kill them off.

Thalmor-Nordmaster

Having a blast with mine.

Alpheu5

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

You can actually hurt a Temp or DK with 2800 spell dmg?

Nope. You need big big damage. Make them heal themselves faster then their magika regen and nuke em when they are down. Templars are easy enough, simply stun like a frag followed by meteor gives enough distraction to kill them off.

I have 2101 spell power when buffed and do just fine. Constant pressure can be just as dangerous as a powerful burst.

psychotic13

This is my current build, I haven't needed to drop any damage, I've sacrificed some magicka.

Sugaroverdose

gamerguy757 wrote: »

I just want to put this on since this class gets a lot of hate. I retired my sorc after DB since I thought they were dead. I went back to him and rebuilt him. And boy....he just kills all players. He completely destroys stam builds, and he just loves to play night blades. They stand no chance.
What do I do you ask? Well, follow my instructions:
1. DROP THE JULIANOS. Seriously, just do it.
2. DROP THE TORUGS PACT.
3. DROP THE TWO KENA.

In order to survive as a sorc in PvP, you need to lower spell damage unfortunately. Increase your magic and recovery. This is the build I use.
5x Elegance
5x Kagrenacs
1x Kena
Inferno staff (sharpened, weapon/spell damage enchant OR Increase Stamina Cost poison)
Restoration staff (Infused, Disease enchant)
Atronach Stone

5 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy , 5 divines, 2 Infused. Inferno/Resto staff.
buffed up, I have 39k magic, 1800 recovery, and 2800 Spell Damage.
My light attacks from my staff, are critical hitting Impen gear enemies for 5k. Heavy attacks (which i load up with a frag) will hit for 10k each time. And don't get me started on Overload's power.

So what's my point? Don't say Sorcs are dead because you can't use the staple set that everyone used. Try something new! This class is strong

Did touched by elegant overloads with 28k spellres unbuffed+2100 critresist, got something like 6-7k each light hit, ouch.

psychotic13 wrote: »

This is my current build, I haven't needed to drop any damage, I've sacrificed some magicka.

Char looks badass

Minalan

Overload sorcs work great against opponents that can't dodge, reflect, or block. Try that template against a good Stam DK, or any viper/velidreth nightblade with two brain cells to rub together. In a full CP campaign.

Then let's hear how 'viable' you are when you're eating dirt after the 'macro-slice'.

Sorc is still an 'okay' class, just not competitive at the top tiers unless run by an amazing player. It's so much easier to do better with a magplar or magblade, there's a reason everyone re-rolled to them.

And no. I'm not quitting my sorc, at least not until they finally delete the class.

DRXHarbinger

Minalan wrote: »

Overload sorcs work great against opponents that can't dodge, reflect, or block. Try that template against a good Stam DK, or any viper/velidreth nightblade with two brain cells to rub together. In a full CP campaign.

Then let's hear how 'viable' you are when you're eating dirt after the 'macro-slice'.

Sorc is still an 'okay' class, just not competitive at the top tiers unless run by an amazing player. It's so much easier to do better with a magplar or magblade, there's a reason everyone re-rolled to them.

And no. I'm not quitting my sorc, at least not until they finally delete the class.

Stam DKs reflect twice and they are done. Stam recovery on half of them is poor, just don't go nuts on them, chuck aoes out and put dots on them and just wear them out, put a root on them and when they don't move out of it it's burn time as obvious they have nothing left to give.

Magdk on the other hand, lit staff and woe+daedric tomb+LL at thier feet the whole time. They'll be spamming blood they'll have nothing left for wings and then cook them.

DKs are easy kills 99% of the time.

Heavy kags, trollBeth, javelin beambots are the issue for sorcs. Just always in your face procing that stupid set. Plus javelin keeps you down longer than fear on a NB fears for..it's stupid.

Cronopoly

Is this a PVE post? Nothing about Stamina imbalance in PVP. Nothing in these sets are going to provide Pressure on Stamina toons while you have a limited Stam pool for (Dodge Roll, Block, sprint?) and you need the max magicka for Shield strength.

While I appreciate the rah rah, I just don't see it in practice. After the 1st CC break, dodge roll and you are doomed to eat the next full CC = dead.

Eh, I agree though the sets you mentioned have their strengths against some limited class specs but get buried by others.

RebornV3x

PVP sorc aren't dead just weak a elite player can still do well but if your a average or casual player your gonna have a bad time with a mag sorc in PVP.

incite

I stopped reading after he said what sets to drop

FriedEggSandwich

I'm still seeing loads of sorcs on TF EU, and I see a few posts on these forums with people sharing their build, and they're all different. So it seems there are a few ways to make your sorc viable in pvp right now, so I would agree that sorc isn't dead. We still need buffs though, preferably damage buffs. Other classes can be more survivable while hitting harder.

Ethromelb14_ESO

I told these non-believers that Sorcs are just fine.

dsalter

aha i'v still been playing my Sorc in PvP with very little problem, i wont share my secret magicka build but lets just say people find it extremely annoying to deal with

JamieAubrey

About a month old but I use
5x Magnus ( 4 body + both Destro/Restro Staffs )
2x Shadow Dancer and 1x Kena


Here is my stats,

gamerguy757

incite wrote: »

I stopped reading after he said what sets to drop

Did you just assume my gender? LOL I'm kidding

magictucktuck

dsalter wrote: »

aha i'v still been playing my Sorc in PvP with very little problem, i wont share my secret magicka build but lets just say people find it extremely annoying to deal with

... is the secret in your signature?

dsalter

magictucktuck wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

aha i'v still been playing my Sorc in PvP with very little problem, i wont share my secret magicka build but lets just say people find it extremely annoying to deal with

... is the secret in your signature?

nope, thats me stam build. my magicka build is completely different.
i may not get many direct kills but i cause an insane amount of suffering on the field and dont often die, and before ya ask, no it's not a tank setup

Egonieser

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Overload sorcs work great against opponents that can't dodge, reflect, or block. Try that template against a good Stam DK, or any viper/velidreth nightblade with two brain cells to rub together. In a full CP campaign.

Then let's hear how 'viable' you are when you're eating dirt after the 'macro-slice'.

Sorc is still an 'okay' class, just not competitive at the top tiers unless run by an amazing player. It's so much easier to do better with a magplar or magblade, there's a reason everyone re-rolled to them.

And no. I'm not quitting my sorc, at least not until they finally delete the class.

Stam DKs reflect twice and they are done. Stam recovery on half of them is poor, just don't go nuts on them, chuck aoes out and put dots on them and just wear them out, put a root on them and when they don't move out of it it's burn time as obvious they have nothing left to give.

Magdk on the other hand, lit staff and woe+daedric tomb+LL at thier feet the whole time. They'll be spamming blood they'll have nothing left for wings and then cook them.

DKs are easy kills 99% of the time.

Heavy kags, trollBeth, javelin beambots are the issue for sorcs. Just always in your face procing that stupid set. Plus javelin keeps you down longer than fear on a NB fears for..it's stupid.

Yeah that was never the problem. Sure they can't hurt me, but they always survive long enough for their backup to arrive and zerg me. That is what kills, not the player in question himself.

SanTii.92

psychotic13 wrote: »

This is my current build, I haven't needed to drop any damage, I've sacrificed some magicka.

Dude, can I hire you to pick styles for me? That's some serious badass char you got there

Lord_Wrath

Idk man, you can never go out to cyrodill everyday and have the same fights. You watch build videos and they slay pugs, ive had my moments where I slayed pugs too and felt like a beast. I also have a lot of moments where im surprised attacked and insta-killed with no chance to react. If theres anything ive learned, you just never know whats going to come through those keep doors.

My biggest causes of death are weapon swap failing (for heals), having to recast shields every 6 seconds (again with weapon swap failing...part having to remember) and the CC. When youre stuck and that 6s shield goes down you're done. I think sorcs are very fragile to errors. You can say "well just do this and use that skill" but rationally speaking a fight wont always go in your favor. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

However, im no quitter and manage to get more kills than deaths.

ForsakenSin

hey boys and girls .. im experimenting with my mage ...

just wanted to ask to make sure, daggers or swords? and what trait on them would increase spell damage ?

Vaoh

Well let's see.... @psychotic13

32K Max Magicka! WTF! Your shields are tiny man!

This build you put up is 100% fully buffed and made to put out high damage. Try running those shields against any decently strong Stamina NB. A single Incap Strike will cut down both shields at the same time. Afterward, the broken CC allows for a free Surprise Attack. By then you have minimal health left and they go for the execute. You can usually survive if you reshield asap and they back off a bit or did not apply DoTs, but this is against one player.

Great if you had actual success against decent players like that when fighting alone, but those shields are a huge letdown.

32K..... I don't see it lose some spell damage and pump up your Max Magicka!

Burning_Talons

Waffennacht wrote: »

You can actually hurt a Temp or DK with 2800 spell dmg?

I only have 2300 spell dmg on my DK i can killjust about anything

psychotic13

Vaoh wrote: »

Well let's see.... @psychotic13

32K Max Magicka! WTF! Your shields are tiny man!

This build you put up is 100% fully buffed and made to put out high damage. Try running those shields against any decently strong Stamina NB. A single Incap Strike will cut down both shields at the same time. Afterward, the broken CC allows for a free Surprise Attack. By then you have minimal health left and they go for the execute. You can usually survive if you reshield asap and they back off a bit or did not apply DoTs, but this is against one player.

Great if you had actual success against decent players like that when fighting alone, but those shields are a huge letdown.

32K..... I don't see it lose some spell damage and pump up your Max Magicka!

I don't need huge shields, they're good enough at 32k for me personally, I'm also in heavy and my back bar is S&B.

I also have high stamina recovery for a sorc, so I can CC break more often.

Dracane

Uhm, so you are using the same sets like any other sorc and act like you have made a big discovery ?
Sets barely matter. It's the abilities you have available and Sorc falls behind all other classes when it comes to this.

Magicka Sorcerer is not dead, just like magicka DK is not dead. It's not like you can't do anything with them. But you won't do it as good as others can. Other classes simply have better tools and Sorcs suffers the most from the current stam meta, as our damage is simply too easy to avoid or even negate.

Sorc is the only class without reliable instant damage that is not reflectable or super predictable. Sorc is the only class without passive ressource restoration. Nbs have siphoning attacks and executioner, DKs have battle roar and helping hands and Templar has rune focus.
These 3 classes gain ressources simply by attacking and using their regular abilities. Sorc does not. We have dark exchange, which has a 1 second cast time and it costs stamina for the magicka restore, which is lethal in pvp obviously. Means that Sorc can't sustain in 1vx as good as other classes can.

andreasranasen

Like really? You're asking people to drop a great set worth like 100-300k depending if you improved it or not, to a 5x piece Elegant that cost around 4-5 million gold in Guild Traders (Swords on console go for 2mil/ea).

In PvE Elegant is great, in PvP it's whatever unless you use overload which majority of the time you miss your target because it's so easy to dodge everything these days.

I run Julianos and I have:
44k Magicka
5k spell dmg proc with Kena
2800 Weapon Dmg
73% Spell Crit
1400 Mag Recovery

Works GREAT. I can get my recovery around 2k if I change my Mundus from Thief to Atro. It's all about mastering your class not what set works "best".

And Sorcs are definitely not dead. But we are rare in PvP. In my Birdman voice "put some respek on our names"

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

andreasranasen wrote: »

Like really? You're asking people to drop a great set worth like 100-300k depending if you improved it or not, to a 5x piece Elegant that cost around 4-5 million gold in Guild Traders (Swords on console go for 2mil/ea).

In PvE Elegant is great, in PvP it's whatever unless you use overload which majority of the time you miss your target because it's so easy to dodge everything these days.

I run Julianos and I have:
44k Magicka
5k spell dmg proc with Kena
2800 Weapon Dmg
73% Spell Crit
1400 Mag Recovery

Works GREAT. I can get my recovery around 2k if I change my Mundus from Thief to Atro. It's all about mastering your class not what set works "best".

And Sorcs are definitely not dead. But we are rare in PvP. In my Birdman voice "put some respek on our names"

Swords do not matter on overload. All you need is 2 sharpened one handers. At most you lose 5% damage. Wich is not worth the 10x-20x increase in cost at all. I picked up a sharpened maul for 100k. PC NA.