Radiant

byCrux

Just got back into eso and mf are still playing like its the only move on their bar... Is this intended to be like soul assualt or is this a broken execute?...

jedtb16_ESO

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

Minno

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

And soul assault is not blockable. I'm surprised no one uses it against tanks in PvP.

DRXHarbinger

Minno wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

And soul assault is not blockable. I'm surprised no one uses it against tanks in PvP.

Never knew that.

Drdeath20

Minno wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

And soul assault is not blockable. I'm surprised no one uses it against tanks in PvP.

It's use is soo situational, it's better to slot meteor.

Forestd16b14_ESO

So.... radiant becoming 5 seconds...... solve alot of problems.....

UltimaJoe777

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

And soul assault is not blockable. I'm surprised no one uses it against tanks in PvP.

It's use is soo situational, it's better to slot meteor.

Meteor is situational too lol and it can be blocked sooo, yeah...

TequilaFire

Radiant world record number of threads holder.
#trysearchfunction

Solariken

Minno wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

And soul assault is not blockable. I'm surprised no one uses it against tanks in PvP.

@Minno Nobody uses it because despite the large tooltip value it for some reason hits like a moist noodle and leaves you horribly exposed while channeling. Basically, it sucks. Soul trap also sucks.

The whole Soul Magic skill line is nothing but another drop of the ball by ZOS.

Drdeath20

Solariken wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

And soul assault is not blockable. I'm surprised no one uses it against tanks in PvP.

@Minno Nobody uses it because despite the large tooltip value it for some reason hits like a moist noodle and leaves you horribly exposed while channeling. Basically, it sucks. Soul trap also sucks.

The whole Soul Magic skill line is nothing but another drop of the ball by ZOS.

Yeah I never get more than 2 tics off of it before the channel gets broken.

UltimaJoe777

Solariken wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

And soul assault is not blockable. I'm surprised no one uses it against tanks in PvP.

@Minno Nobody uses it because despite the large tooltip value it for some reason hits like a moist noodle and leaves you horribly exposed while channeling. Basically, it sucks. Soul trap also sucks.

The whole Soul Magic skill line is nothing but another drop of the ball by ZOS.

Soul Trap does exactly what it was meant to do: Fill Soul Gems. If you want Soul Trap to be a good DoT then you can always run Oblivion's Foe

Toc de Malsvi

Solariken wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

And soul assault is not blockable. I'm surprised no one uses it against tanks in PvP.

@Minno Nobody uses it because despite the large tooltip value it for some reason hits like a moist noodle and leaves you horribly exposed while channeling. Basically, it sucks. Soul trap also sucks.

The whole Soul Magic skill line is nothing but another drop of the ball by ZOS.

I've seen it a few times here and there and it appears to function like an execute. I've noticed in using it that if the target is below 50% it can often wreck them, otherwise it just tickles them.

MaxwellC

My issue is the initial tick is way too punishing it either needs to have a duration increase or something..

Drdeath20

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

My issue is the initial tick is way too punishing it either needs to have a duration increase or something..

Thats the execute.

Unsent.Soul

And another one....

UltimaJoe777

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

And another one....

...gone, and another one gone... ANOTHER ONE FIGHTS THE MUST!

pecheckler

folks use it because it can't be dodged and it's easy to aim with the never ending lag in cyrodiil

i'd prefer to use dark flare in place of it but all i see when using dark flare is dodge dodge dodge dodge

phairdon

Plenty of skills hit for high damage numbers, so why all the focus on radiant destruction? Got hit for 30k by soul assault as an example. Such is life.

genjutsu_kami

byCrux wrote: »

Just got back into eso and mf are still playing like its the only move on their bar... Is this intended to be like soul assualt or is this a broken execute?...

broken possibly.... over performing absolutely @Wrobel

Rikumaru

phairdon wrote: »

Plenty of skills hit for high damage numbers, so why all the focus on radiant destruction? Got hit for 30k by soul assault as an example. Such is life.

Soul assault is an ultimate.

runagate

Minno wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

And soul assault is not blockable. I'm surprised no one uses it against tanks in PvP.

Clearly you weren't PvPing in early 2014. The number of times I was jesusbeamed down by multiple soul assaults far outnumbers more recent radiant deaths. WTF doesn't anyone use the healing version morph on less magicka-stacked toons? Seems ideal for PvP.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

And soul assault is not blockable. I'm surprised no one uses it against tanks in PvP.

@Minno Nobody uses it because despite the large tooltip value it for some reason hits like a moist noodle and leaves you horribly exposed while channeling. Basically, it sucks. Soul trap also sucks.

The whole Soul Magic skill line is nothing but another drop of the ball by ZOS.

Soul Trap does exactly what it was meant to do: Fill Soul Gems. If you want Soul Trap to be a good DoT then you can always run Oblivion's Foe

I actually did force my poor magicka sorc (last of the 8 class combos I leveled) to use those stupid pets I loathe so much and Soul Trap (the morph that hits multiple targets no less) with Oblivion's Foe while leveling to 50 just as an example of the fact that you can derp your way to 50 with a pot on your head hitting things with a spoon and not learn how to actually play at endgame... which has got to be highly exacerbated with the elimination of VR levels. BOOM! Have fun newbie with no resources, no learned traits, poor as hell and with a terrible build and sometimes not even learning how Set bonuses work with piecemeal armor like some hunter green armor wearing level 3 newbie...

Looking back over the other morph of soul trap it makes me want to make a terribad hybrid with 5/5 Oblivion's Foe and 5/5 Pelinal's Aptitude and all gold tristat glyps.

P.S. edit - how in OBLIVION is this an 8-trait Set!?!?!

Consuming Trap - 28m range, 10 second DoT, 2 targets, Fills a soul gem and restores 7% Health, Magicka and Stamina if enemy dies while affected.

Or a Shatter Soul/Phoenix/Vicious Death build - Burn enemy from the inside with soulfire, dealing [x] Magic Damage over 3.8 seconds and reducing Movement Speed by 70%.
If target is killed, it explodes for [y] Magic Damage to nearby enemies.
If target is killed, it explodes and damages nearby enemies.

Soul Shatter passive - If your Health drops below 20%, your soul explodes, dealing 2[x] Magic Damage to nearby enemies. This effect can only trigger once every 2 minutes.

Phoenix set - When you die, instead become immune to all negative effects and healing for 3 seconds. When the effect ends you heal yourself for 17200 and explode for 8600 Flame Damage to nearby enemies. The effect has a cooldown of 10 minutes.

Minno

runagate wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

And soul assault is not blockable. I'm surprised no one uses it against tanks in PvP.

Clearly you weren't PvPing in early 2014. The number of times I was jesusbeamed down by multiple soul assaults far outnumbers more recent radiant deaths. WTF doesn't anyone use the healing version morph on less magicka-stacked toons? Seems ideal for PvP.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

And soul assault is not blockable. I'm surprised no one uses it against tanks in PvP.

@Minno Nobody uses it because despite the large tooltip value it for some reason hits like a moist noodle and leaves you horribly exposed while channeling. Basically, it sucks. Soul trap also sucks.

The whole Soul Magic skill line is nothing but another drop of the ball by ZOS.

Soul Trap does exactly what it was meant to do: Fill Soul Gems. If you want Soul Trap to be a good DoT then you can always run Oblivion's Foe

I actually did force my poor magicka sorc (last of the 8 class combos I leveled) to use those stupid pets I loathe so much and Soul Trap (the morph that hits multiple targets no less) with Oblivion's Foe while leveling to 50 just as an example of the fact that you can derp your way to 50 with a pot on your head hitting things with a spoon and not learn how to actually play at endgame... which has got to be highly exacerbated with the elimination of VR levels. BOOM! Have fun newbie with no resources, no learned traits, poor as hell and with a terrible build and sometimes not even learning how Set bonuses work with piecemeal armor like some hunter green armor wearing level 3 newbie...

Looking back over the other morph of soul trap it makes me want to make a terribad hybrid with 5/5 Oblivion's Foe and 5/5 Pelinal's Aptitude and all gold tristat glyps.

P.S. edit - how in OBLIVION is this an 8-trait Set!?!?!

Consuming Trap - 28m range, 10 second DoT, 2 targets, Fills a soul gem and restores 7% Health, Magicka and Stamina if enemy dies while affected.

Or a Shatter Soul/Phoenix/Vicious Death build - Burn enemy from the inside with soulfire, dealing [x] Magic Damage over 3.8 seconds and reducing Movement Speed by 70%.
If target is killed, it explodes for [y] Magic Damage to nearby enemies.
If target is killed, it explodes and damages nearby enemies.

Soul Shatter passive - If your Health drops below 20%, your soul explodes, dealing 2[x] Magic Damage to nearby enemies. This effect can only trigger once every 2 minutes.

Phoenix set - When you die, instead become immune to all negative effects and healing for 3 seconds. When the effect ends you heal yourself for 17200 and explode for 8600 Flame Damage to nearby enemies. The effect has a cooldown of 10 minutes.

The dmg that soul line passive does is actually scaled off health.

Minno

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

And soul assault is not blockable. I'm surprised no one uses it against tanks in PvP.

It's use is soo situational, it's better to slot meteor.

Yea but the point was to highlight the fact how different RD is from soul assault. RD you can block, SA you can't.

Cryptical

runagate wrote: »

Phoenix set - When you die, instead become immune to all negative effects and healing for 3 seconds. When the effect ends you heal yourself for 17200 and explode for 8600 Flame Damage to nearby enemies. The effect has a cooldown of 10 minutes.

The problem with Phoenix is that the healing doesn't start until after the immunity ends, and is not instant - it sorta ticks.

So to nullify the benefits of Phoenix, when you turn to immune stone the enemy holds block, and immediately upon you exploding begins an attack burst. They will drop you back to zero before more than a minimal amount of Phoenix health is applied, and you die.

To make Phoenix work as it seems to be intended, the healing needs to happen during the bird screech and the explosion needs to have a 5 meter knock back element to give the newly revived the barest amount of elbow room to have a fighting chance.

phairdon

Rikumaru wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Plenty of skills hit for high damage numbers, so why all the focus on radiant destruction? Got hit for 30k by soul assault as an example. Such is life.

Soul assault is an ultimate.

Fair call. Still, from playing the alliance war over the last 6 weeks or so, there are other skills that hit for high damage. Yet people are obsessed by jbeam. Even before getting into the alliance war, there were numerous discussions about different skills being OP. No doubt there are legitimate concerns; just came to the conclusion from playing the alliance war & reading discussions over the last two years or so, people like to whine about a lot of skills, simply because they die to the said skill.

leepalmer95

Cryptical wrote: »

runagate wrote: »

Phoenix set - When you die, instead become immune to all negative effects and healing for 3 seconds. When the effect ends you heal yourself for 17200 and explode for 8600 Flame Damage to nearby enemies. The effect has a cooldown of 10 minutes.

The problem with Phoenix is that the healing doesn't start until after the immunity ends, and is not instant - it sorta ticks.

So to nullify the benefits of Phoenix, when you turn to immune stone the enemy holds block, and immediately upon you exploding begins an attack burst. They will drop you back to zero before more than a minimal amount of Phoenix health is applied, and you die.

To make Phoenix work as it seems to be intended, the healing needs to happen during the bird screech and the explosion needs to have a 5 meter knock back element to give the newly revived the barest amount of elbow room to have a fighting chance.

They phoenix, i put on ground dots, trap beasts etc... charge a heavy and it's gg.

Waste of a set.

Rikumaru

phairdon wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Plenty of skills hit for high damage numbers, so why all the focus on radiant destruction? Got hit for 30k by soul assault as an example. Such is life.

Soul assault is an ultimate.

Fair call. Still, from playing the alliance war over the last 6 weeks or so, there are other skills that hit for high damage. Yet people are obsessed by jbeam. Even before getting into the alliance war, there were numerous discussions about different skills being OP. No doubt there are legitimate concerns; just came to the conclusion from playing the alliance war & reading discussions over the last two years or so, people like to whine about a lot of skills, simply because they die to the said skill.

Well if we compare executes RD is by far the strongest, I mean people are spamming it on full health targets while other executes are not spammed on people with high / full hp (unless burst comboing with magicka sorc), how could there not be a problem with RD?

Impale:
Dmg Scales 300%
Execute range <25%
Is reflectable
Is dodgeable
15m range

Executioner:
Dmg Scales 350%
Execute range <50%
Is dodgeable
5m range

Mage's Fury:
Dmg Scales Idk%
Execute range <20%
Sort of dodgeable
Acts as a time bomb
36m range

Radiant Destruction:
Dmg Scales 330% + Current magicka extra dmg
Execute Range: <50%
Is a channel
Is undodgeable
36m range

Now I know RD is a channeled skill but it does instant execute damage. And overall it outperforms all the other executes by a large margin. You could say a fix would be to make RD tick 1s after channel begins but this would just nerf the skill for 1v1s and it would still be very powerful when a RD spammer is spamming it behind a zerg / group. Instead maybe zos should rework RD into a different skill and move the execute to binding javelin, which its unique function would be a CC as well as an execute which could scale something similar to impale.

idk

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

True. I do not understand what some are doing wrong since I rarely die to RD unless already low health.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

True. I do not understand what some are doing wrong since I rarely die to RD unless already low health.

People are upset because they cant dodge it. Everything else is just noise.

genjutsu_kami

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

True. I do not understand what some are doing wrong since I rarely die to RD unless already low health.

People are upset because they cant dodge it. Everything else is just noise.

not completely accurate but i can see where your coming from

vyndral13preub18_ESO

genjutsu_kami wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

no. it's just an execute that hits really hard if the target is below 30% health.

#working as intended

True. I do not understand what some are doing wrong since I rarely die to RD unless already low health.

People are upset because they cant dodge it. Everything else is just noise.

not completely accurate but i can see where your coming from

I dont know
Most the arguements i see go like this.

Poster 1. When out numbered RD spam does to much damage it is broken!

Poster 2. Well you are out numbered. A group of people spamming anything on you would kill you! Snipe for example.

Poster 1. No i can dodge those.

most players seem to agree it isnt a problem 1v1. But is a problem when out numbered and spamming RD. And the counter arguement when trying to say here is what would happen if this was used instead is always, sure that would kill me to, but i could dodge that.