Using the Stamina Meta to Build a Better mDK

AverageJo3Gam3r

Time for some theory crafting! Thinking about the struggles of mDK in solo open world PvP--lack of burst (without an ultimate), lack of execute, lack of mobility, lack of escape, situational healing. Since we're in the stamina meta, this gave me the idea of leveraging the pelinals aptitude (PA) set to address some of the mDK weaknesses.

So here's my thought--PA in medium armor, with medium armor passives plus flawless dawnbreaker will make up for losing the 5pc kags bonus. Stacking weapon damage, we can swap will power for arcane agility and torugs pact for leki focus. This will have a loss of about 2.5k magicka for 1.5k stamina and 124 stamina recovery. We should also end up in the 3.5-4K weapon damage range (Meaning 3.5-4K spell damage with PA).

Now there's a couple ways to address mDK weaknesses. We can run a 2H on the back bar for rally (healing+weapon damage buff) and an execute. Our max stam won't be very high, so the damage values won't be as high as a full stam class, but it's better than a mDKs execute Or we could run a bow for movement speed with dodge rolls. If we're willing to drop a 1HS, we could even run a 2H front bar and bow back bar. With a piece or two of well fitted plus medium armor passives, dodge rolling can replace blocking.

There may be even more creative things to do. I still have a few days on my 9th trait for medium gloves, so figured I'd theory craft in the meantime.

Discuss!

leepalmer95

Hybrids just don't work.

Though this seems more of a stam dk with boosted spell dmg.

Your max magicka plays an important role in your damage, 1000 magicka = 100 spell damage basically.


Mag dk's don't hit that hard as it is.

AGrz5585

I have a gear set that I theory crafted, but have not used.its 4 noble duelist (jewelry plus 1 armor) 5 pelinal. 1 kena. And maelstrom weapons

That by itself gives weapon damage of about 3200 buffed with rally.

xarguideb17_ESO

It wouldn't be a stam DK, because you'd have to put the CPs in magicka damage. You'd get more spell damage, but lose light armor passives. I can't see how this can work better than using light armor julianos.

Anyway, I'll still be waiting for your testresults.

Sharee

Interesting thought. I think you will have issues with regen tho, since you aren't getting mag regen/cost reduction from light armor, nor constitution returns from heavy armor.

Vanzen

I tested something similiar on pts with my mag DK, only in solo pve unfortunately. Went to almost 3.5 Mag/Weap power

5 heavy Pelina/2 skoria/4/5 transmut. SnB /2H

The idea was to use 2H and rally to get heal and buff instead of entropy and use it as front bar : Stampede/flamme lash/embers ... etc

And using igneous shield and vigor (vigor will proc transmut 5 pieces ...) instead of GDB on back bar.

It worked perfect in pve in the sewers, and it was kind of fun and original.

xarguideb17_ESO

I got curious and I tested Pelina's heavy armor set yesterday. Crafted a purple heavy armor cp 160 set. For extra weapon damage I used 3 Dreugh King jewellery, 2 Molag Kena, 2 gold hunding's rage swords. Previously I had arcane willpower jewellery and Torug's sword+shield.
Not worth it. I lost 5k magicka, a lot of magicka regen and the wonderful seducer spell cost reduction. I got spell damage a bit higher, but because I had less magicka, spells did about the same damage.
Maybe arcane agility jewellery would be better, I might try that too. Dreugh jewellery had healthy traits.

xarguideb17_ESO

Oh and 2 of the jewellery had weapon damage enchants.

AverageJo3Gam3r

@xarguideb17_ESO what was your tooltip on something like vigor as a replacement for dragon blood?

raasdal

The thing is. You can never make a really efficient Hybrid, if you still insist on stacking Wep/Spell Power and Maxstat. The PA only addresses the one. No matter what, you will always lack in your primary stat.

It is however, opposite to common belief, possible to make effective hybrids. You just have to completely move away from stacking Stam/Mag and Power.

I have a "Hybrid" DK, with 35K HP, 16K Stam, 12k Mag and something like 1400 wep/spell power. He plays NoCP PvP and can burst you down in no time. You just have to be creative and think outside of the box, in terms of how you get your damage.

xarguideb17_ESO

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@xarguideb17_ESO what was your tooltip on something like vigor as a replacement for dragon blood?

I don't remember vigor, but flame lash tooltip was ~8500 damage.

AverageJo3Gam3r

xarguideb17_ESO wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@xarguideb17_ESO what was your tooltip on something like vigor as a replacement for dragon blood?

I don't remember vigor, but flame lash tooltip was ~8500 damage.

@xarguideb17_ESO cool. My thought to use PA is not necessarily to get more damage, but to address weakness in the standard mDK kit. Even without maxing stam, I wonder if vigor heals more than CDB, or if reverse slice is worth using?

Lokey0024

xarguideb17_ESO wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@xarguideb17_ESO what was your tooltip on something like vigor as a replacement for dragon blood?

I don't remember vigor, but flame lash tooltip was ~8500 damage.

My tooltip on flame lash is 9k and i still hit people for 2.5k 5k crits. I think its affected by the dot reduction CP.

If they make it so stam/magika is just a resource pool instead of a damage modifier then this might work. But as it is now too much loss of damage.

Elong

Hybrids can and do work. You have to theory craft hard, and you have to stack weapon damage and be primarily stamina with a choice of your favourite magicka skills.

My templar will have over 4k weapon/spell damage buffed (not continuous attack buff though), 35k stam, 18k magicka, with regens I can play with. My RD hits as hard as it would on my Magplar.

I'm not one to make build videos or anything, and I spent a lot of gold figuring it out, but the possibilities are there.

It's the most fun I've had playing since soft caps were removed.

caeliusstarbreaker

Elong wrote: »

Hybrids can and do work. You have to theory craft hard, and you have to stack weapon damage and be primarily stamina with a choice of your favourite magicka skills.

My templar will have over 4k weapon/spell damage buffed (not continuous attack buff though), 35k stam, 18k magicka, with regens I can play with. My RD hits as hard as it would on my Magplar.

I'm not one to make build videos or anything, and I spent a lot of gold figuring it out, but the possibilities are there.

It's the most fun I've had playing since soft caps were removed.

You shut your mouth

Waffennacht

I have a hybrid as well.

What I did was:

x3 Pelinal armor
x2 Pelinal swords

This way when I'm on 2H I get the maximum stam, weapon dmg, regen stats 33k max stam 4k buffed weapon dmg,

Stam moves on 2H, magicka on DW

I am a sorc, so my advantage is I can run exchange, stackin stam regen and usin exchange for magicka, bypassing the need for magicka regen.

Another advantage for a sorc is the low cost , high damage Frag, I use Mag's Wrath and streak, all cheap and effective.

I have 21k magicka, so the build is just under that or a magicka build running 35k magicka and 3k magic dmg.

It seems to be very good and fun. I'm gonna make a post bout him once Im done with maxing the gear

caeliusstarbreaker

Few set ups I want to try
5 pel
2 BS
3 potentates
2 will power
(Battle roar sustain)

5 pel
5 trans
2 will power
(You lose undaunted but you get 100% trans up time with rally, which frees up red co for quick recovery and nicer regen)

5 pel
5 ravager
2 will power
(Again lose 2 piece undaunted but gain a butt load of wpn dmg)

Will power is in there cause it provides the largest amount of max magicka... Which you are going to need since pel isn't giving you squat. All these set ups should have you at 35k ish max mag

Waffennacht

@caeliusstarbreaker I've used transmutation in a set up very similar to what you listed. Works really well, it's just gonna put you on the more tanky side of things

xarguideb17_ESO

I tried 5x medium Pelinal's, 2 light Nerieneth's, 3x agility jewellery (with arcane traits), 2x gold hunding's swords. Don't have money for upgrading better swords.
Weapon damage enchants on 2 jewellery, mag. regen on one. Mundus = warrior.
Total weapon dam with igneous weapons ~3500. Stamina and magicka regen is ~1000. Spells cost a lot, so sustain is still a problem.