StamDK PvP Discussion

Purdomination33

Not a complaint thread or anything of that nature. Leading up to DB release quite a few people anticipated StamDK's as one of the better PvP options. Made some sense with the Poison/CP synergy. You still read quite a bit how StamDK's are very strong in PvP. However, my experience in Cyrodiil (on Xbox One) doesn't necessarily back that notion up. At least to the degree some were trying to speculate. StamDK's are by no means a weak class in PvP, not saying that at all. It's more that I do not see too many of them around. Majority of death recaps consist of Nightblade and Templar skills.

StamDK's seem to be able to do well in groups, as can most classes. The fact they are not a quick kill contributes quite a bit. My personal feel is that in smaller scale fights I did better pre-DB. It's hard to put my finger on why exactly. It's almost like I cannot put out the same amount of damage as I could previously. A lot of players are able to heal through my attacks. Maybe I am just getting bored and don't put in the same amount of concentration, who knows. Or I have lost sight of my rotation by trying too many new things.

What I am kind of struggling with is the direction to take my DK. It's an Imperial DK, 501 CP. I have tried some heavy armor builds where I use set's that create Major Defile while trying to utilize DOT's. This works OK at times but Heavy Armor doesn't necessarily add all that much extra surviveability. Maybe some but against a decent opponent it's unlikely you can cause enough damage to kill them before they kill you. Add in the ridiculous cost of blocking and dodge roll (in heavy armor) and resource management becomes an issue.

Also tried Viper's Sting. Maybe I need to test more but I cannot tell if it actually does anything! Warrior Fury as well but you have to be getting your ass kicked for it to proc.

So after some semi-failed experimenting I have been sticking w/medium Hundings, Agility, yada yada stuff. But something about using a bow and 1H as a DK doesn't feel right. That is more a Nightblade thing. So sick of Wrecking Blow/Dizzying Swing, boring skill that is hard to connect. Now that I re-read this post sounds like I am just getting bored of the game!

I would love to hear from other experienced Stamina DK's to see how are set up for PvP.

AverageJo3Gam3r

Still sticking with my 1HS+2H setup. Honestly, biggest buff was heavy armor buff. Black rose is so good right now. I run ransack, venom claw, reverb, igneous shield, vigor, leap on front bar. Back bar is stampede, execute, caltrops, rally, shuffle, corrosive armor. Light attack ransack bash is so much more consistent than wrecking blow spam.

mtwiggz

Wrecking Blow is too easy to dodge, walk through or just plain miss. Try S&B. The DPS is a bit lower but with good weaving you can do nearly the same DPS and have a means to defile on your bar. Which against any class with healing buffs is a must have.

DannyLV702

I'm actually having sooooouch more success with my heavy armor DK at the moment than with my stamblade. You just gotta go the s&b route maybe. Reverb bash and dawnbreaker and watch them struggle to heal through it. Idk I just love heavy armor now

Lokey0024

Ive been running black rose/ bloodspawn/ agility Or marksman 3 pc.

The offensive ardent flame passives for dk are a joke, half the draconic are a joke (the bonus 12% healing recieved needs a tool tip saying how long it lasts upon casting a draconic ability), earthen heart are good for stam dk.

Main issue is offensively they are just whatever weapon skill line they choose. The obvious choice is 2hnd because its actually a complete skill line. I was getting bored with the game to so tried mixing it up. DW synergies well with dk CP but lacks execute, a heavy hit attack, and rally is irreplaceable without dragonsblood heal. Sword and board is alright. Still lacks damage potential.

I got bored and rolled a nb. Like 1000% better as far as stuff you can do. Health regen tank, N P. (actually better then DK suprise suprise). Might want to think of reroll. Nothing rolling out announced for dks in the near future.

Lexxypwns

Have you tried 5 skirmisher (2 rings 3 armor) 3 potentates (s/b with neck) 2 bloodspawn 2 leki armor+malestrom 2h? Or 5 skirmisher 5 Tava 2 Bloodspawn?

2h: Stampede, Vigor, Rally, spiked armor, shuffle
s/b: heroic slash, ransack, reverb, igenous, venom claw

You'll generate tons of ultimate, have great sustain, and better damage than your current setup

thankyourat

On my stam dk I use two hand and bow for open world and s&b 2hand for duels. It's more effective than both my magblade and stamblade but it's just not as fun for me. So I see where you are coming from I was thinking about switching to magicka dk just to see what that class can do. But for open world I run 5 eternal hunt, 5 marksman, and 2 leki. 2hand, and bow I use all damage enchants on my jewelry. If I ever get a sharpened Maelstrom 2 hand I'll switch up my build. My only problem with dk is it's basically just the two hand skill line for damage so it can get boring quick. But it's class passives make it really tanky and the bow gives it good mobility, and the burst from the two hand is nice. This build is really good for solo and small group play. Stam dk to me is the best class in PvP right now, not because it's class skills are really good because it's class skills can't really compete with nightblade in terms of utility, but once you start adding in the burst from the 2hand skill line the range from the bow, the movement speed from medium armor along with the tankiness and healing of the class skills it's really hard to beat. So I think it's a really effective class just not as fun

Aztlan

I also have an Imperial StamDK, 501 CP, and have tended to prefer heavy armor builds. Most of the time, I run S&B and DW, with 5 Black Rose, 5 Fasalla's Guile, and 2 Molag Kena (especially nice when I transform into werewolf), all heavy armor. I've also tried 5 Warrior's Fury, but it's frustrating not knowing how much the weapon power is getting boosted. In theory, combining the benefit of Fury with the Wrath passive should be awesome, but how do you know? I just feel more confidence in the benefit of Fasalla's Guile. Warrior's Fury might be better on a Templar or with a full health regen build, so you can take a major beating and keep on ticking. For skills, my bar 1 is Puncture or Heroic Slash, Reverb Bash (or sometimes the other morph), Igneous Shield, Shielded Assault, Vigor, Dawnbreaker of Smiting. Bar 2 is Fossilize, Noxious Breath, Venomous Claw, Igneous Weapons, Rapid Maneuvers (or Cinder Storm), Werewolf.

I have also tried 5 (medium)-1-1, DW/bow, with 5 Nightmother's Gaze, 5 Morag Tong, 2 Leki. This is good for group play. The group benefits from the Nightmother's Gaze armor debuff, and with Morag Tong my poison skills hit harder. For solo play, however, I find it hard to do without a gap closer or a good single-target damage skill. Yes, there's Rapid Strikes, but it's hard to land unless the target has been stunned or immobilized. I don't know, though. I feel like I haven't played the build enough to realize its full potential. Has anyone else done well with Morag Tong? In the next update, it will be available in full jewellery and weapons, which will open the potential for different kinds of builds. Thoughts?

Purdomination33

Good to hear from other DK's out there. I definitely use S&B a ton. Though no one individual skill from the line causes a ton of damage the constant pressure you can apply is great and great gap closer to boot. Last night I was messing around and had a lot of success running:

5 piece Cyrodiil Crest for the Major Defile-very much wish it came in Impenetrable though
1 piece Leki's
1 piece Bloodspawn- only have the helm, shoulder's just refuse to show up in that gold chest
1 piece Kena
2 Agility Rings
S&B: Leki weapon plus Agility shield
Leki Bow

S&B: Ransack, Invasion, Venomous Claw, Fossilize, Vigor, Dawnbreaker
Bow: Poison Injection, Shuffle, Draining Shot (under utilized close encounter skill), Volatile Armor, Igneous Weapons, Soul Assault (for larger battles), Corrosive Armor if running around solo.

Won several 1v1 encounters and a rare 1v3 encounter (I had the element of surprise).

One thing that is tough when it comes to Heavy Armor is the cost for making a full set Legendary. It's something like 80-90k per piece. Farming Tempering Alloy is not exactly realistic from a time perspective. After using all Legendary armor/weapons it kind of spoils you.

Sanct16

Purdomination33 wrote: »

Good to hear from other DK's out there. I definitely use S&B a ton. Though no one individual skill from the line causes a ton of damage the constant pressure you can apply is great and great gap closer to boot. Last night I was messing around and had a lot of success running:

5 piece Cyrodiil Crest for the Major Defile-very much wish it came in Impenetrable though
1 piece Leki's
1 piece Bloodspawn- only have the helm, shoulder's just refuse to show up in that gold chest
1 piece Kena
2 Agility Rings
S&B: Leki weapon plus Agility shield
Leki Bow

S&B: Ransack, Invasion, Venomous Claw, Fossilize, Vigor, Dawnbreaker
Bow: Poison Injection, Shuffle, Draining Shot (under utilized close encounter skill), Volatile Armor, Igneous Weapons, Soul Assault (for larger battles), Corrosive Armor if running around solo.

Won several 1v1 encounters and a rare 1v3 encounter (I had the element of surprise).

One thing that is tough when it comes to Heavy Armor is the cost for making a full set Legendary. It's something like 80-90k per piece. Farming Tempering Alloy is not exactly realistic from a time perspective. After using all Legendary armor/weapons it kind of spoils you.

Just use Reverbarating Bash on S&B instead of wasting a whole 5p set by using Cyrodiils Crest.

Purdomination33

@Sanct16 Do the two not stack? Cyrodiil's Crest use to say just 'decrease healing' and not 'major defile'. They may have changed it though. Awesome if they did stack but if not then yes I agree with you, easier to just use reverb bash.

Sanct16

Purdomination33 wrote: »

@Sanct16 Do the two not stack? Cyrodiil's Crest use to say just 'decrease healing' and not 'major defile'. They may have changed it though. Awesome if they did stack but if not then yes I agree with you, easier to just use reverb bash.

I guess they should stack but you dont use reverb in your build so imo either run both or run only reverb. I dont think Crest is worth it tho since 2p-4p boni are meh.

Purdomination33

I change things sets and skills up constantly, sometimes use reverb and sometimes don't. What is your favorite heavy set for PvP?

AverageJo3Gam3r

@Purdomination33 black rose. Even comes in impen by default.