Why can we not have regular balance changes?

Xeven

Like Blizzard does with Starcraft. Just one dev please, dedicated to implementing small changes to classes and abilities each patch. Somthing like this, directly from Blizzard patch notes:

Terran

Thor
Adding a second anti-air attack 'mode' which can be toggled on/off:
Attack deals 35 (+15 armored) damage every 2.14 seconds (on faster game speed)

Cyclone
Cost reduced from 150/150 to 150/100
Supply cost increased from 3 to 4

Liberator
Anti-air damage changed from 7 to 5 (+2 light)

Protoss

Colossus
+10% to Attack Speed (This includes a 10% increase to the ground sweep as well)

Immortal
Barrier absorb reduced from 200 damage to 100 damage

Zerg

Swarm Host
Cost reduced from 200/100 to 150/75

jhharvest

Probably because of PVE.

Armitas

Yes please. Why do we have to wait for a year just because class updates are "out of season".

SleepyTroll

Would you really want Wrobel *** with the classes on a weekly basis?

KenaPKK

I think ZOS outsources some programming to other companies. Also, console patches are expensive to roll out.

Xeven

KenaPKK wrote: »

I think ZOS outsources some programming to other companies. Also, console patches are expensive to roll out.

I'm not asking for more patches, just balance changes with EVERY PATCH.

Sandman929

Xeven wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

I think ZOS outsources some programming to other companies. Also, console patches are expensive to roll out.

I'm not asking for more patches, just balance changes with EVERY PATCH.

If ZOS were owned and operated by engineers, that could happen. But coding even the smallest thing is time and testing and money.

ku5h

They have better things to do. Like not giving a *** about their game.

Wycks

1 .ZOS has VERY poor developer communication, upper management lives in a bubble and has an ego problem.

2. They are not agile developers, they develop way behind the curve , things deteriorate and break over time or go unfixed for years.

3. To much responsibility and power over the core game play goes to one person, who is mediocre at best.

4. They don't seem to pay much attention or really care to the point of being very smug towards the PvP player-base.

Just Google glassdoor + zenimax and you will get some "real" insight.

Mojmir

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

1 .ZOS has VERY poor developer communication, upper management lives in a bubble and has an ego problem.

2. They are not agile developers, they develop way behind the curve , things deteriorate and break over time or go unfixed for years.

3. To much responsibility and power over the core game play goes to one person, who is mediocre at best.

4. They don't seem to pay much attention or really care to the point of being very smug towards the PvP player-base.

Just Google glassdoor + zenimax and you will get some "real" insight.

browsing through that,its appears they treat employees just like customers.

vortexman11

I've come to the conclusion that ZOS does not consider ESO a game meant to be played competitively, Im sure many other players have come to this conclusion in the past year or two... And in a non competitive game, balance updates don't take priority. Not to mention the fact that class, armour, racial balance doesn't really effect ones ability to complete quests in the new DLCs, again lowering its priority.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Cause Wrobel logic

ManDraKE

Because changing the meta every major patch, pushing a buch ton of fixes at once that end adding more imbalances and bugs than before, is the proper way of balance the game.

ZoS haven't understood how to do balance, instead of doing baby steps, they do 1 giant step foward and 2 giant steps back

Xeven

I just want ONE dedicated PvP dev. I know we have @ZOS_BrianWheeler and I am thankful for him but classes and abilities are out of his hands. I think @Wrobel is capable but his team is spread too thin.

Someone who will talk regularly with the PvP player base to help identify things like the the Scourge Harvester set. Stacking crit rush with dawnbreaker. Out of control snares and roots. The strengths and weaknesses of every class in a PvP environment.

Every class doesnt have to be good at everything bet every class should be extremely competitive in a high level 1v1 scenario.

Wreuntzylla

ManDraKE wrote: »

Because changing the meta every major patch, pushing a buch ton of fixes at once that end adding more imbalances and bugs than before, is the proper way of balance the game.

ZoS haven't understood how to do balance, instead of doing baby steps, they do 1 giant step foward and 2 giant steps back

This. The game changes every major patch, it takes a bout a month for a new meta to settle, new DLC hits PTS around month 2.

Paraflex

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

1 .ZOS has VERY poor developer communication, upper management lives in a bubble and has an ego problem.

2. They are not agile developers, they develop way behind the curve , things deteriorate and break over time or go unfixed for years.

3. To much responsibility and power over the core game play goes to one person, who is mediocre at best.

4. They don't seem to pay much attention or really care to the point of being very smug towards the PvP player-base.

Just Google glassdoor + zenimax and you will get some "real" insight.

Lol wow thanks for the glassdoor information

Paraflex

After reading deeper into the glassdoor comments i feel bad for the employees.

ShedsHisTail

Paraflex wrote: »

After reading deeper into the glassdoor comments i feel bad for the employees.

I dunno... They read pretty much like any other job.

"I like my co-workers, I dislike management. Also I don't get paid enough."

Paraflex

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/ZeniMax-Online-Reviews-E814943_P2.htm


Did you actually read the commends or just buzz over one or two @ShedsHisTail

You are correct as most reviews have the normal "I like my co-workers, I dislike management. Also I don't get paid enough."

Maybe you missed the mass firings/24 hour notice, leadership issues,ignoring their own employees opinions. Doesn't seem like they value those people to much.

ShedsHisTail

Paraflex wrote: »

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/ZeniMax-Online-Reviews-E814943_P2.htm


Did you actually read the commends or just buzz over one or two @ShedsHisTail

You are correct as most reviews have the normal "I like my co-workers, I dislike management. Also I don't get paid enough."

Maybe you missed the mass firings/24 hour notice, leadership issues,ignoring their own employees opinions. Doesn't seem like they value those people to much.

When I read stuff like this I tend to throw out the highest and lowest, ya know.
There's always a few folks on the extremes, for whatever reason; but the general consensus is pretty normal stuff.

Similarly, "leadership issues" and "ignoring opinions" fall under "I dislike management."
Few underlings and minions think, "I feel valued and supported by my superiors." and the few that do are rarely the ones to take to the internet to say so.

Now, I'm not saying the ZOS is a wonderful place to work... Just saying the Glassdoor listings aren't especially demonizing. I mean... The average rating is 3.3 which I think is about the best you can hope for in a cubicle farm.

Paraflex

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/ZeniMax-Online-Reviews-E814943_P2.htm


Did you actually read the commends or just buzz over one or two @ShedsHisTail

You are correct as most reviews have the normal "I like my co-workers, I dislike management. Also I don't get paid enough."

Maybe you missed the mass firings/24 hour notice, leadership issues,ignoring their own employees opinions. Doesn't seem like they value those people to much.

When I read stuff like this I tend to throw out the highest and lowest, ya know.
There's always a few folks on the extremes, for whatever reason; but the general consensus is pretty normal stuff.

Similarly, "leadership issues" and "ignoring opinions" fall under "I dislike management."
Few underlings and minions think, "I feel valued and supported by my superiors." and the few that do are rarely the ones to take to the internet to say so.

Now, I'm not saying the ZOS is a wonderful place to work... Just saying the Glassdoor listings aren't especially demonizing. I mean... The average rating is 3.3 which I think is about the best you can hope for in a cubicle farm.

Everyone has an opinion i guess. I am sure they could give away free food and gifts every day but you would still have unhappy employees. There are a few common themes with employee feedback that I see.

Hearing this feedback from the employees and seeing rushed DLC, tons of bugs, old bugs resurface, ignoring DLC players want gives you a good picture of the company.

I guess this would be considered normal feed back and a normal quality of a product to you.

ShedsHisTail

Paraflex wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/ZeniMax-Online-Reviews-E814943_P2.htm


Did you actually read the commends or just buzz over one or two @ShedsHisTail

You are correct as most reviews have the normal "I like my co-workers, I dislike management. Also I don't get paid enough."

Maybe you missed the mass firings/24 hour notice, leadership issues,ignoring their own employees opinions. Doesn't seem like they value those people to much.

When I read stuff like this I tend to throw out the highest and lowest, ya know.
There's always a few folks on the extremes, for whatever reason; but the general consensus is pretty normal stuff.

Similarly, "leadership issues" and "ignoring opinions" fall under "I dislike management."
Few underlings and minions think, "I feel valued and supported by my superiors." and the few that do are rarely the ones to take to the internet to say so.

Now, I'm not saying the ZOS is a wonderful place to work... Just saying the Glassdoor listings aren't especially demonizing. I mean... The average rating is 3.3 which I think is about the best you can hope for in a cubicle farm.

Everyone has an opinion i guess. I am sure they could give away free food and gifts every day but you would still have unhappy employees. There are a few common themes with employee feedback that I see.

Hearing this feedback from the employees and seeing rushed DLC, tons of bugs, old bugs resurface, ignoring DLC players want gives you a good picture of the company.

I guess this would be considered normal feed back and a normal quality of a product to you.

Well, I mean....
Here's Activision/Blizzard... The maker of, arguably, the highest quality games on the market with a comparably average rating of 3.5 so... Make of that what you will.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Activision-Blizzard-EI_IE605784.11,30.htm

Paraflex

I'm not interested in blizzard games and must say the quality of product are well polished compared to ZOS games. Thanks for the link.

ShedsHisTail

Paraflex wrote: »

I'm not interested in blizzard games. I have played them but thanks for the link.

That wasn't really the point of the link.
But it appears this conversation is done.

Valencer

Mass Effect 3 multiplayer was co-op only and got weekly small balance changes to classes, playable characters and NPC enemies.

A damn co-op multiplayer game got more frequent balance changes than this game..

Lava_Croft

I think OP is too logical. Why do several small balance changed per patch and see the results when you can cram all the balance changes in a single update and break lots of things?

Methariorn

In a perfect world we'll get a PvP team who test classed and builds and sort things up: speaking from a pvp point of view every class/combination (magicka or stamina) should be able to perform well. From a marketing point of view you better keep some OP builds/setup every 6-8 months or so to keep people focussed on the new metagame (now it's the age of the stamina shuffle-dodge-vigor).

caeliusstarbreaker

Because instead of that.... You need a completely different game every 3 months.

Thelon

you must construct additional pylons

Xeven

Thelon wrote: »

you must construct additional pylons

why are you even supply blocked scrub?

Vaoh

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

1 .ZOS has VERY poor developer communication, upper management lives in a bubble and has an ego problem.

2. They are not agile developers, they develop way behind the curve , things deteriorate and break over time or go unfixed for years.

3. To much responsibility and power over the core game play goes to one person, who is mediocre at best.

4. They don't seem to pay much attention or really care to the point of being very smug towards the PvP player-base.

Just Google glassdoor + zenimax and you will get some "real" insight.

^^^^ do it people. The issues we find in ESO all of a sudden make a lot of sense. There is a common theme. Upper management is not good at all at ZOS.