Arch Mage set :)

LuminaLilly

I see many magic users going for julianos, kagrenaks hope, Magnus, and even eyes of Mara. I personally use julianos and magnus on my sorc and it works well. I'm considering changing the setup, but is the arch Mage set still worth it? And anyone have an idea for a viable magic set combo?

TrueGreenSmoker

The 3 piece is good i wont go for the 5x tho
(2 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 967 Max Magicka
(5 items) Fully charged heavy attacks restore 627 Magicka.

Cinnamon_Spider

The change to the five piece made the set useless.

Stratforge

I used to run 5x Kags, 3x Arch-Mage on my sorc and I really enjoyed it. I haven't played the sorc since pre-TG though so my opinion is likely outdated.

Brutusmax1mus

Run julianos and 4 shadow dancer, thank me later

bardx86

This is how i look at it. Each set has 3 bonuses and a set bonus which could or could not add to your stats. Really only 2 options add stats to your toon. Kag and juliann's. However i feel like kag only adds one more bonus to the set as where julianos adds two for a total of 5 set bonuses as the 300 SD is pretty high. Really comes down to play style but statically speaking julianos adds the most total stats.

Sandman929

Julianos is really the base of a magicka build (if you intend to do damage). What you do with the other slots is the sandbox.

bardx86

Sandman929 wrote: »

Julianos is really the base of a magicka build (if you intend to do damage). What you do with the other slots is the sandbox.

Ageed. Also if you DW make your sword julianos and run seducer as your other set. Then have a seducer rest staff and you get 2 5 set bonuses. 8% off the back bar isn't bad but i don't find DW effect anymore sadly.

chuckselegy

What's wrong with 5x julianos, 2kena, DW eyes of Mara, meilstrom resto?
Or 5x julianos, 1 Kena, 3pc transmutation(body and DW/resto).
Or 5x kags, 1 Kena, 2pc Mara (destro/resto w/infused and spell damage glyphs)
Willpower jewelry on all with spell damage glyphs.

brandonv516

Julianos and Lich is the only thing I will use until next patch when I try Warlock and Lich or Warlock and Julianos.

GrigorijMalahevich

for PvP:
Arch mage set as main 5x set is useless. You can rarely do a fully charged heavy attack in a duel for 5x bonus to be effective and in large scale PvP you don't need that bonus at all. You are better with julianos in large scale.

I can't believe so many people run Julianos for small scale. That spell crit is useless in PvP. Kagnerac is much better than Julianos, but I personally run Seducer 5x with 3x Magnus with x3 spell damage willpower and when fighting outnumbered I still feel the need of more sustain...

I would say - smaller your team = more sustain you need. bigger your team = more damage you need.

For PvE:
who needs sustain anyways. Go damage and when out of magicka just use overload until you get full magicka.


P.S. if you don't want to use cookie cutters, just go for Warlock set, much better than Arch Mage.

Sandman929

Valera Progib wrote: »

for PvP:
Arch mage set as main 5x set is useless. You can rarely do a fully charged heavy attack in a duel for 5x bonus to be effective and in large scale PvP you don't need that bonus at all. You are better with julianos in large scale.

I can't believe so many people run Julianos for small scale. That spell crit is useless in PvP. Kagnerac is much better than Julianos, but I personally run Seducer 5x with 3x Magnus with x3 spell damage willpower and when fighting outnumbered I still feel the need of more sustain...

I would say - smaller your team = more sustain you need. bigger your team = more damage you need.

For PvE:
who needs sustain anyways. Go damage and when out of magicka just use overload until you get full magicka.


P.S. if you don't want to use cookie cutters, just go for Warlock set, much better than Arch Mage.

It's funny that on the forums I read how useless crit is because "everyone" is running Impen...but in practice I see large crit numbers every single day.

Araviel2

Sandman929 wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

for PvP:
Arch mage set as main 5x set is useless. You can rarely do a fully charged heavy attack in a duel for 5x bonus to be effective and in large scale PvP you don't need that bonus at all. You are better with julianos in large scale.

I can't believe so many people run Julianos for small scale. That spell crit is useless in PvP. Kagnerac is much better than Julianos, but I personally run Seducer 5x with 3x Magnus with x3 spell damage willpower and when fighting outnumbered I still feel the need of more sustain...

I would say - smaller your team = more sustain you need. bigger your team = more damage you need.

For PvE:
who needs sustain anyways. Go damage and when out of magicka just use overload until you get full magicka.


P.S. if you don't want to use cookie cutters, just go for Warlock set, much better than Arch Mage.

It's funny that on the forums I read how useless crit is because "everyone" is running Impen...but in practice I see large crit numbers every single day.

yupp, i think i the idea of "crit being useless due to impen" is an old idea that lives on from the days when impen used to reduce crit chance.
Now when impen has been changed to crit damage reduction - crits will almost always add bonus damage as becoming totally crit immune is something that is extremely hard to do and requires a full set of 8 legendary impen pieces + steed mundos and heavy investment into Resistant champion points.
Few players go that far.

and lets not forget about the crit heals

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Run julianos and 4 shadow dancer, thank me later

SHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Sandman929

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Run julianos and 4 shadow dancer, thank me later

SHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

Well now I'm dying to know what's so wonderful about this combo.

Pandorii

For the record, 3 arch mage was useful for builds with destro. The three piece bonus gave spell damage like the four piece bonus of magnus, which you cannot combine with a 5 piece (kags/julianos) unless you run dw or s&b. Fortunately, the three piece bonus of vicious death gives spell damage, so there's no need to go out looking for correct spec pieces of arch mage now that the item is no longer available. VD essentially replaces arch mage in that regard.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Sandman929 wrote: »

Well now I'm dying to know what's so wonderful about this combo.

DAMMIT! I never win this game. LOL!



In all seriousness, I LOVE the Shadow Dancer set for my melee Magblade. The 5-piece bonus is actually quite nice when paired with Concealed Weapon, and the extra Stamina recovery helps, too, particularly since I'm running drinks for the regen.

All in all, a SOLID DPS set. IMHO.

WreckfulAbandon

My magblade used to use archmage when it had the cost reduction. Shelved the 5pc since the change, they straight up ruined it

brandonv516

Does shadow dancer set make any sense when using concealed weapon and already a vampire?

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

brandonv516 wrote: »

Does shadow dancer set make any sense when using concealed weapon and already a vampire?

I would say probably not, aside from the DPS increase that the 2/3/4-piece bonuses provide.

But there are other folks here more qualified to give better reasons than me.

Tryxus

Shadow Dancer + Seducer + Malubeth...

What I'm working toward on my MagBlade

Araviel2

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Does shadow dancer set make any sense when using concealed weapon and already a vampire?

I would say probably not, aside from the DPS increase that the 2/3/4-piece bonuses provide.

But there are other folks here more qualified to give better reasons than me.

Stam recovery is kind of hard to obtain as a magica build, unless you enchant jewelry for it. and that is most often not preferred, and stamina as you probably know equals life in open world pvp, no matter if you are a stam or magica build.
as far as i know there is no other dropped set at cp160 whit magica bonus that also gives stam regen,
The 4 crafted sets that we got that has stam regen combined whit some kind of magica bonus are not very well optimized for a DPS build.

However next big patch we will get Amberplasm

Elara_Northwind

I use 5 kagrenac's on my templars over julianos, because I am a little bit of a magicka recovery addict

Makkir

Araviel2 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

for PvP:
Arch mage set as main 5x set is useless. You can rarely do a fully charged heavy attack in a duel for 5x bonus to be effective and in large scale PvP you don't need that bonus at all. You are better with julianos in large scale.

I can't believe so many people run Julianos for small scale. That spell crit is useless in PvP. Kagnerac is much better than Julianos, but I personally run Seducer 5x with 3x Magnus with x3 spell damage willpower and when fighting outnumbered I still feel the need of more sustain...

I would say - smaller your team = more sustain you need. bigger your team = more damage you need.

For PvE:
who needs sustain anyways. Go damage and when out of magicka just use overload until you get full magicka.


P.S. if you don't want to use cookie cutters, just go for Warlock set, much better than Arch Mage.

It's funny that on the forums I read how useless crit is because "everyone" is running Impen...but in practice I see large crit numbers every single day.

yupp, i think i the idea of "crit being useless due to impen" is an old idea that lives on from the days when impen used to reduce crit chance.
Now when impen has been changed to crit damage reduction - crits will almost always add bonus damage as becoming totally crit immune is something that is extremely hard to do and requires a full set of 8 legendary impen pieces + steed mundos and heavy investment into Resistant champion points.
Few players go that far.

and lets not forget about the crit heals

You also cant crit dmg shields. Playing against bads, yeah crit builds will work. But most competent players will put a magicka crit build to shame. Theres just stats for pvp that do much more for you, especially as a sorc. On PTS when bone shield WAS going to scale off stamina, crit wouldve been totally useless.