Cheating and Exploits

Grim13

How the hell is Miat's still allowed to be used?

In pvp, it informs players of when they're being attacked, even if the attack is from stealth!

Tonight I was stealthed on top of a resource tower while it was being attacked... an enemy player who was about 20-30 meters away, obviously using Miat's, dodged every time I pushed my key for lethal arrow...

I wasn't spamming it, so it wasn't like he was just repeatedly dodge rolling, but EVERYTIME I pushed the button he rolled.

Please explain to me, ZENIMAX, how this is not *** cheating?

ComboBreaker88

Grim13 wrote: »

How the hell is Miat's still allowed to be used?

In pvp, it informs players of when they're being attacked, even if the attack is from stealth!

Tonight I was stealthed on top of a resource tower while it was being attacked... an enemy player who was about 20-30 meters away, obviously using Miat's, dodged every time I pushed my key for lethal arrow...

I wasn't spamming it, so it wasn't like he was just repeatedly dodge rolling, but EVERYTIME I pushed the button he rolled.

Please explain to me, ZENIMAX, how this is not *** cheating?

"PC Master Race" lmao.

Ekadzati

I'm old, cranky, and intolerant of "lawyering rules" in the name of abusing mechanics that a person possessed of fully functional human brain capacity should be able to interpret as "probably not a good idea".

1 - It's one thing to find a potential exploit and test the crap out of it so you have good steps to turn in when you report it.

2 - It's quite another to find a potential exploit, test the crap out of it, send gold and goodies from it to all your buddies and several alternate accounts you have, and THEN report it.

If you are contemplating in ANY fashion attempting to debate a position that makes #2 "reasonable" or "understandable", you're part of the problem, end of story.

(Forum time out ate my edit. I'm too annoyed to retype it. Long story short: Put the fear of retribution to work for you.)

wolveman

On my profile page on my Xbox I have a few videos and trust me hard to fake this I seen a couple of daggerfell players who can not die at all as they where using god mode and one of these idiots showed it on YouTube he had his Xbox one connected to his pc they where side by side and showing others how to cheat .
Now after talking to a customer service rep Microsoft they are aware and know that they are cheating .
I spent a hour or so on the phone with Microsoft and gave them the games tag and this person also used that same gamer tag on his post on YouTube so Microsoft said that they have enough proof to do something about it .
I don't mess around if i spot a cheater no matter what game and I can find physical evidence I will report that player .
And yes this person was also using this on black ops 2 GTA 5 and eso .
I was told by Microsoft to continue to report players and u will I don't enjoy doing it but a lot of those players do cheat and some are very abusive by verbal which I not only blocked them but sent a ticket and report to Xbox live .
No one needs to deal with abusive player or players or cheaters my advice is if you see it report it other wise they keep doing it .

Lorajet

I have a question and I don't know if it is considered cheating or hacking by everyone.

I was on Betnikh yesterday, and came across the weirdest thing. There were 6 characters, lined up, each with an unstable familiar, repeatedly killing 1 or 2 wolves that ran up to the group. This happened approx every 15 seconds.

What was strange is that of the 6 characters, there were only 3 names, which mean each character had somehow spawned a duplicate of themselves, along with the familiar. 1 character was level 4, the other 2 were level 6.

It was almost like they were AFK, not even playing, just letting this cycle happen over and over again.

I am on the PS4 NA server. I have a screenshot but it shows one of the names so didn't post it or do a link.

Comments?

hamgatan

Lorajet wrote: »

I have a question and I don't know if it is considered cheating or hacking by everyone.

I was on Betnikh yesterday, and came across the weirdest thing. There were 6 characters, lined up, each with an unstable familiar, repeatedly killing 1 or 2 wolves that ran up to the group. This happened approx every 15 seconds.

What was strange is that of the 6 characters, there were only 3 names, which mean each character had somehow spawned a duplicate of themselves, along with the familiar. 1 character was level 4, the other 2 were level 6.

It was almost like they were AFK, not even playing, just letting this cycle happen over and over again.

I am on the PS4 NA server. I have a screenshot but it shows one of the names so didn't post it or do a link.

Comments?

Sounds like the multiboxer running around near Phaer in Auridon at the moment. They've accepted the quest so they have a NPC tailing them as well.. looks like 8 people but it's 4..

Lorajet

I must be living under a rock somewhere, because this is the first time I have heard of multiboxing. Thanks for the education on this one, and they were definitely farming.

Voltranox

Did some PVE (traveling around getting skyshards) and PVP (Vivec on NA PC) this weekend.
I'd warily say things might be improving.

I saw no bots in any of the zones I traveled across.
In Vivec PVP, I only came across one extremely suspicious build, and only one macro-with-no-cooldown user.

Just lucky I wonder? Ever hopeful.

Wreuntzylla

Grim13 wrote: »

How the hell is Miat's still allowed to be used?

In pvp, it informs players of when they're being attacked, even if the attack is from stealth!

Tonight I was stealthed on top of a resource tower while it was being attacked... an enemy player who was about 20-30 meters away, obviously using Miat's, dodged every time I pushed my key for lethal arrow...

I wasn't spamming it, so it wasn't like he was just repeatedly dodge rolling, but EVERYTIME I pushed the button he rolled.

Please explain to me, ZENIMAX, how this is not *** cheating?

On the bright side, it spams a warning before snipe actually fires. You can distract Miat users by starting and cancelling snipe in rapid succession.

letsdothedungeonslow

What are you talking about, 150 million gold?

ComboBreaker88

150 million gold is not game breaking at this point. Lol 150 billion, that's game breaking. I know several players who have 20+ million and a few who have over 100 million. They only thing required to gain gold is time. The longer you play the market in the game the more gold you can stock up.

Cpt_Teemo

Some vendor keeps restocking like an unlimited amount of Dwemer Frames on a vendor in Vvardenfel called "Feline Good Meowporium"

chaz

Hi, how are you? Well anywho are you going to use this thread to post a listing of known cheats?

Not the user, but what cheat they were using? So we can confirm if we came across the same issue? I've only seen a couple of suspicious things and even reported a few using the in game interface. But it would be nice to see what other people are stumbling across.

Thanks for reading this.

(FOR LORD DAGON!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Cpt_Teemo

Vendor keeps listing 800 frames every 6 hours or so, i'm sorry but this has to be some sort of hack or botting going on

theivorykitty

Eh, I've changed my mind. Playing devil's advocate on a forum with this many comments is just asking for it. Carry on.

red_emu

Baranthus wrote: »

SixVoltCar wrote: »

"We do not allow naming and shaming"

You mean you do not permit the natural process by which groups of people encourage good behaviours and discourage bad ones? This could explain why the cheating is so rampant.

By naming and shaming, you automaticlly create a stigma for a person. You also risk causing an almighty ruckus causing a ton of headaches for forum moderators, community managers etc etc.

To put this in context: A person may have been guilty of exploiting. However, they may not have exploited deliberately but it has shown up in the server admins security logs. They are then named and shamed. The forum community go BERZERK - flaming and trolling of named player increases exponenntially both via forum posts and private messages and also in game. The player is then banned (if they hadn't already).
The player, unbeknown to the community, suffers with Aspergers syndrome and manic depression. They are now cut off from their only creative outlet. The friends that it has taken them years to make now shun the player thanks to naming and shaming. The player can't understand the hate when they didn't even realise they were exploiting.

Their loved ones find the player's body the next morning, they had taken their life sometime during the night.

A life is lost and a family destroyed for ever. But at least you got that cheating b******, right?

Cheating isn't a good thing. But neither is naming and shaming especially if the circumstances aren't clear cut.

Bravo sir! Someone finally speaks sense! Naming and shaming leads to bullying and not everyone has thick skin. I appreciate the efforts ZOS makes to protect vulnerable.

Cpt_Teemo

Not resale price, not in hecking way this guy is either duping or botting

Herbatio

Voltranox wrote: »

This issue is beyond the subject of faction alliances, naming-and-shaming, or moral choices of players.
It is about the company and the product they charge money for, pure and simple. It's all about them.

They know about these critical problems, and have known for a long time.
They have not addressed them, and remain frustratingly silent about it.
That is a very poor business decision.

If any other service provider did this kind of thing, most people would drop them like a hot potato.
What if your internet or mobile service dropped out half the time?
Or Netflix were missing the last 20 minutes of each movie?
Or your courier service kept delivering to the wrong address?
Would you keep paying them, or look for alternatives?

If I was an owner of this development company, these issues would be absolute top priority.
I assume that they are silent about the issues because they are unable to fix them.
What are they going to say? "Sorry, we'd have to redesign the game engine from the ground up,
and we'd go bankrupt if we had to do that, so put up with it or leave." No. Just silent.

I have refused to buy Morrowind as a small personal protest.
But I literally wince every time I think about my subscription dollars going to this company each month.

Why do I keep playing-and-paying when they aren't delivering good service?
Because I have already invested time and money to develop my characters.
I am familiar with the mechanics and can just jump straight into a game session during my leisure time.

The close battle between my enjoyment of a familiar game and my own common sense is ongoing.
After all, it's only a game, and there are many other fun products to chose from for light entertainment.
My money and time has value ZOS. Do you recognize this in your business model? Look after your customers.

Voltranox wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

@Voltranox I believe some ppl are extremely good at animation canceling and you can account for some of the scenarios for lag. But I do believe that macros are used in game.

Ive seen instances where I or ppl with me have had no lag spikes and are in essence, one shotted and see 5 or more skills in death recap in 1-2 seconds.

Call it what you will, but I'd wager if the put a comprehensive system in place to detect these things, one of two things would happen,
1, you wouldn't see things lIke that occur half as much or
2, you wouldn't see those players anymore

Yeah. An easy game to learn, but challenging to master. Good fun.

The problem is that since the hacks are not being addressed, you can never be sure exactly what is going on (other than the fact that some players are getting a grossly unfair advantage, economically and competitively).

Imagine a scenario where:
1. ZOS implements a fix to the cheating (come on. just do it. surely it can't be THAT hard or expensive to accomplish).
2. They make an official announcement (and continue to communicate openly with the ESO player community).
3. Players who attempt to hack get detected and permanently banned (or can't do it in the first place).

The results would be:
1. Great publicity and great enthusiasm from their customers.
2. An even playing field for all, in all areas of the game (as it should be; obviously!).

If ZOS stood in solidarity with the genuine players, it would created a trusted environment to play the game:
1. If a player got great scores on the various leaderboards, it would genuinely be a badge of accomplishment.
2. If you get whipped in PvP, you could be impressed by their skill and character build.
3. If someone wanted to put in the time to farm crafting materials, it would give them a well earned economic advantage.
4. It would eliminate the feeling of suspicion and mistrust generated by the hacking and cheating.

how does the song go "That'll be the day when i die" but i cant agree more, why ZoS can you not do anything about these lowlife cheats, i know its cause were all still paying your Subscriptions and well why the hell would ya, but come on, have a little integrity in your product, it would become so much more profitable, i promise.

Voltranox

I came across these articles.

Other large game development companies have found ways to combat cheaters (these articles are from last year).
Surprising how many top online games are affected by cheating.
But the development companies are having success with stopping it, and they communicate with their customers.
ZeniMax could learn from these examples.

Rockstar games developer removes all GTA (Grand Theft Auto Online) cheater's loot:
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/10/rockstar-clears-out-illegitimately-gained-gta-online-cash/
Cheater's accounts are reset, and they lose all they have gained! If they cheat a second time...permanent ban.

Blizzard has zero-tolerance on cheating in Overwatch:
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/05/blizzard-takes-zero-tolerance-stance-on-overwatch-cheating/
Blizzard Community Manager Stephanie Johnson writes on the game's forums: "Not only does cheating undermine the spirit of fair play that all of our products are based on, but it works to diminish the fun and enjoyment of others."

Ubisoft drops 14 day suspension policy, replaced with permanent bans:
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/06/no-more-mr-nice-ubisoft-first-time-division-cheaters-now-banned-permanently/
Cheating players in The Division were using third party programs to hack client side - sound familiar?
Now they are detected...and permanently banned.

Like ESO, The Division had no server-side detection of hacks. Ubisoft were initially worried that they would have no way of stopping cheats without re-developing the game from the ground up. But it seems they found a solution:

"While some of the game decisions are made client-side, there are constant server checks in place. This ensures that even in the situation where a player would be able to modify his client data, the servers can detect it. The array of these checks has constantly improved since the launch of the game which allowed us to catch a great amount of cheaters. Of course, this doesn’t mean that cheating is a thing of the past and we stand ready to react quickly, should new cheats be developed."

With these big-name games, the developers have detected and banned tens of thousands of cheaters!

magicsprout

Deffo botters operating on Xbox eu. Spotted a group today . Sent a bit of the local wildlife their way and only one toom showed a response out of the group

Qbiken

Bug/exploit with 7th legion set:

Apperantly there´s a way to get the 5 piece bonus while only using 4 pieces. Not sure how it´s done but ZOS should look into it.

forgottengd

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Not resale price, not in hecking way this guy is either duping or botting

Is it EU or NA server?

Cpt_Teemo

forgottengd wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Not resale price, not in hecking way this guy is either duping or botting

Is it EU or NA server?

PC NA

Mondini

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

forgottengd wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Not resale price, not in hecking way this guy is either duping or botting

Is it EU or NA server?

PC NA

I'm pretty sure what you have witnessed is some grade A market manipulation and is not really cheating. Probably bought loads cheap, raised the price with a friend and is selling them with a profit whilst making them look cheap on MM.

Risi

I came to this thread looking for cheats and exploits, I guess I misread it...

phairdon

Bot train, near karthdar, Grahtwood, PC/NA. Farming senche.

Lasinagol

I have noticed a few bots on the PS4/NA. Even had the audacity to try it at a dolmen! Aren't these people being tracked somehow, at least. Groups of three attached to a fourth collector and that person being kicked and banned suddenly?

akl77

ZOS, is it intended that people can only do 1st and last boss and get the skin this easily?
If it were so, the skin becomes meaningless, why don't you remove the skin achievement?
Do you know when you get to 2nd boss the big turtle boss, just enter the arena and before engaging the fight, jump on the NPCs on the left and get on the platform and go along, then you are straight into last boss.
Why do you design it this way that its linked together, now people exploit it for cheese skin run.
Are you going to patch it or let it be??

GodAizen

akl77 wrote: »

ZOS, is it intended that people can only do 1st and last boss and get the skin this easily?
If it were so, the skin becomes meaningless, why don't you remove the skin achievement?
Do you know when you get to 2nd boss the big turtle boss, just enter the arena and before engaging the fight, jump on the NPCs on the left and get on the platform and go along, then you are straight into last boss.
Why do you design it this way that its linked together, now people exploit it for cheese skin run.
Are you going to patch it or let it be??

What npc's? i though chudan has one nps in dome and he kills to show off main mechanic in center of arena

Enodoc

akl77 wrote: »

ZOS, is it intended that people can only do 1st and last boss and get the skin this easily?
If it were so, the skin becomes meaningless, why don't you remove the skin achievement?
Do you know when you get to 2nd boss the big turtle boss, just enter the arena and before engaging the fight, jump on the NPCs on the left and get on the platform and go along, then you are straight into last boss.
Why do you design it this way that its linked together, now people exploit it for cheese skin run.
Are you going to patch it or let it be??

That doesn't sound like it would be intended.