Pve sorc taking a big hit

syko809

I feel that with all this complaining and the nerfs to the sorcs PVE for sorcs is close to dead unless you have a great healer. And what the heck is up with all the buff for NBs when they OP as hell, for those NB fan girls out there who are going to jump in here and say im stupid, please point out another class that can wipe out 4 to 7 people in less then 5 secs and then leave the area. The NB should have the same penalty that sorcs have and strike 40% more cost for spamming stealth skill, i can always catch up to a sorc using strike but to a NB spamming that ability is more like a 40% to 50% chance of me catching him/her. I know ama get alot of hate but its true, penalty to spamming it and a not a 100% crit chance when attacking from stealth it should be more like 70%. You dont like this post don't comment to easy.

Bramir

The truly funny thing is the proposed changes will actually make sorcerers harder to kill unless you gank them...going to be funny...and a little stupid. I'd prefer to have the extra duration, because shield stacking was plenty strong and I liked to have the protection from ganking NBs.

Omgwtfbbq321

I hate shield stacking and I main a sorc. Wish it used the Major/Minor system. The new update will just allow every other class to stack Healing Ward and Dampen Magicka while using their class abilities.

Sure, I will be able to (Forced really) to stack Dampen Magicka with Hardend ward. but this will be much less effective with the 6 seconds of duration than just spamming the one shield. (PC users can probably just Macro it, I am a console player with 500 ping so this is no option for me)

I'd much rather (Dampen Magicka + Breath Of Life) or (Dampen Magicka + Cloak).

As for Magicka Nightblades being OP, they have probably the most counters out of any class.

But they are also, without question, the most powerful in PVP when played right. The fact their burst is instant and most of which, you don't need to even aim because its an AOE. The fact that they can kill you and cloak away just before your backup arrives just makes them better.

They are not broken, but there is no other class out there that can take out as many people as fast and efficient as they do.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Title: "Pve sorc taking a hit" .... I aggree.

But you're talking about nerfing nightblades spamming stealth? (A pvp topic) lol that escalated quick.

Omgwtfbbq321

You are correct.

I read the topic, went away, came back and started typing haha. I never said anything about nerfing Nightblades or spamming stealth.

The spamming shields part does work with the PVE topic though. every 6 seconds we will need to recast ward so we are not a one shot. even if are aren't taking pressure at that time.

Shaloran

1. Why is the post about Sorcerers taking a hit in PVE and then compares NB PVP capabilities?
2. Sorcs will be just fine in PVE after the nerf considering your shield rarely stays up more than six seconds anyway.
3. This is a forum for discussion. Stating in the OP to not add anything to the discussion if you don't like the post, is kind of like saying "If you don't agree with me, I don't want to hear you" isn't it?

Lokey0024

Im going to hit you with magika poison and make you spam shield sooooo much.

Lucky28

Shaloran wrote: »

1. Why is the post about Sorcerers taking a hit in PVE and then compares NB PVP capabilities?
2. Sorcs will be just fine in PVE after the nerf considering your shield rarely stays up more than six seconds anyway.
3. This is a forum for discussion. Stating in the OP to not add anything to the discussion if you don't like the post, is kind of like saying "If you don't agree with me, I don't want to hear you" isn't it?

1. because the nerf to sorcs in PvE are a result of people bitching in PvP
2. shields last way longer then 6 seconds in PvE (the duration along with the changes to surge makes doing VMA not worth it on a sorc)
3. i agree with that.

Lokey0024

Soooooooo dont stand in the green glowie stuff. Im not sure when having a 25k damage shield for 20 seconds is really required, unless your eating doritos and playing one handed. You actually have to cast the skill right before the thing happens now! THE HUMANITY!

Now you shoulda named this topic what it actually is, nerf NB cuz reasons. Won't charge you for use of the title this time.

Now instead of facetanking shots because you have 36k shields (pve) or 18k shields (pvp) you might actually have to use positioning, mines, and reactive skill based combat techniques to survive! Again, THE HUMANITY!

And the intent im sure was to prevent shield stacking and promote reactive use of one shield in pvp. No "set it and forget it" easymode with a double healthbar.

Minalan

The 10 second empowered ward was meant for PVE, it should be fine for that with 12-13K and 10 seconds.

In PVP you'll just need to stack the 6 second shield on top of the 10 on your back bar. Again, it'll be fine. Back-bar surge, empowered ward, and lightning form. Front bar harness magicka, streak, and three attacks. Keep defensive rune up and radiant Mage light slotted to deal with cockroaches.

We're focusing on the wrong thing here, they're breaking surge heals in PVE, and increasing spell costs across the board for everyone.

kinggingernator

Minalan wrote: »

The 10 second empowered ward was meant for PVE, it should be fine for that with 12-13K and 10 seconds.

In PVP you'll just need to stack the 6 second shield on top of the 10 on your back bar. Again, it'll be fine. Back-bar surge, empowered ward, and lightning form. Front bar harness magicka, streak, and three attacks. Keep defensive rune up and radiant Mage light slotted to deal with cockroaches.

We're focusing on the wrong thing here, they're breaking surge heals in PVE, and increasing spell costs across the board for everyone.

Um... no one uses empowered. No one. Might as well recommend crystal blast.

Shaloran

kinggingernator wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

The 10 second empowered ward was meant for PVE, it should be fine for that with 12-13K and 10 seconds.

In PVP you'll just need to stack the 6 second shield on top of the 10 on your back bar. Again, it'll be fine. Back-bar surge, empowered ward, and lightning form. Front bar harness magicka, streak, and three attacks. Keep defensive rune up and radiant Mage light slotted to deal with cockroaches.

We're focusing on the wrong thing here, they're breaking surge heals in PVE, and increasing spell costs across the board for everyone.

Um... no one uses empowered. No one. Might as well recommend crystal blast.

No one uses it now, but I guarantee everyone switches after DB. What's the point in the shield absorbing more damage if it won't be around long enough to?
The subversion is necessary.

Defilted

Since this topic is all over the place...

1. PVP and PVE changes to skills need to be kept separate.
2. PVP is played way differently than PVE. PVP builds are balanced and diverse because of all the different players that are coming to kill you. PVE builds are typically a "Glass cannon" method. Tanks specs all tank. DPS specs all DPS. Healers spec all out heals.


Keeping these skill changes separate would fix most of this issue and allow for PVP and PVE to remain traditional to the meta. Now some would argue that playing PVP and PVE from a traditional standpoint is no longer wanted and ZOS has a vision to change it. If this is the case they should speak up on their vision of PVP and PVE.