DK - Power Lash

Rataroto · May 2016

Is it really supoed to be undodgeable?

brandishsteel · May 2016

u can't dodge it
but it can be missed by shuffle 20% chance
and its should be undodgeable cos it hits really low

vortexman11 · May 2016

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

RoamingRiverElk · May 2016

I was really hoping there would be a suggestion here for buffing that morph in general. Not joking. If you're a magicka dk, there should be rewards for going in, being that vulnerable and having no escape.

Rataroto · May 2016

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

I was really hoping there would be a suggestion here for buffing that morph in general. Not joking. If you're a magicka dk, there should be rewards for going in, being that vulnerable and having no escape.

Not asking for a nerf NOR a buff, I just want to know if it is working as intended. and reguarding dk changes IMO that skill should be the "Poisonuss Whip" ang finally give stam dks something in their own class.

1Grumpy_dunmer1 · May 2016

Rataroto wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

I was really hoping there would be a suggestion here for buffing that morph in general. Not joking. If you're a magicka dk, there should be rewards for going in, being that vulnerable and having no escape.

Not asking for a nerf NOR a buff, I just want to know if it is working as intended. and reguarding dk changes IMO that skill should be the "Poisonuss Whip" ang finally give stam dks something in their own class.

I really don't like you.

Rataroto · May 2016

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Rataroto wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

I was really hoping there would be a suggestion here for buffing that morph in general. Not joking. If you're a magicka dk, there should be rewards for going in, being that vulnerable and having no escape.

Not asking for a nerf NOR a buff, I just want to know if it is working as intended. and reguarding dk changes IMO that skill should be the "Poisonuss Whip" ang finally give stam dks something in their own class.

I really don't like you.

... sorry to disapoint, but I never asked you to...

kadar · May 2016

So there we were waiting for the DC to come try to take their resource again. I ask my mDK buddy, "Hey what's your whip tooltip?"
"Mmm, ~6.5k. What's your Surprise Attack?"
"Uhh, ~11.2k."

Chadwikid · May 2016

Oof 6.5k....that's horrendous

DUTCH_REAPER · May 2016

Rataroto wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

I was really hoping there would be a suggestion here for buffing that morph in general. Not joking. If you're a magicka dk, there should be rewards for going in, being that vulnerable and having no escape.

Not asking for a nerf NOR a buff, I just want to know if it is working as intended. and reguarding dk changes IMO that skill should be the "Poisonuss Whip" ang finally give stam dks something in their own class.

Negative.

leepalmer95 · May 2016

I think my whip dmg on my mag dk is around 8k~, i'm an imperial though so it should be higher.

Still though mag dk's don't have the extra dmg passive that nb's do. Nb's get bonus crit dmg, bonus crit chance, 8% max magicka etc... therefore it's quite obvious why whip is a wet noodle compare to SA or concealed.

DKsUnite · May 2016

The_Outsider wrote: »

So there we were waiting for the DC to come try to take their resource again. I ask my mDK buddy, "Hey what's your whip tooltip?"
"Mmm, ~6.5k. What's your Surprise Attack?"
"Uhh, ~11.2k."

That's a problem because of his build not mDK lol.

Chadwikid · May 2016

^^this^^

Burning_Talons · May 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

So there we were waiting for the DC to come try to take their resource again. I ask my mDK buddy, "Hey what's your whip tooltip?"
"Mmm, ~6.5k. What's your Surprise Attack?"
"Uhh, ~11.2k."

That's a problem because of his build not mDK lol.

My whip hits for 9.2k

DHale · May 2016

I am not sure it needs to be dodge able I have 100 in elemental expert 30 in Elfborn 10 spell erosion 39 k magic my flame lash does like 3800 non crit in pvp. My heavy attacks do more damage. But it looks cool. On the other end the Emps that are DK's hit me for 6-7 k whips. Pretty sure one harness magic will easily survive that. One vigor would erase it all.

DKsUnite · May 2016

Burning_Talons wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

So there we were waiting for the DC to come try to take their resource again. I ask my mDK buddy, "Hey what's your whip tooltip?"
"Mmm, ~6.5k. What's your Surprise Attack?"
"Uhh, ~11.2k."

That's a problem because of his build not mDK lol.

My whip hits for 9.2k

ya tooltip unbuffed i have like 8.7k.

Ariades_swe · May 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

So there we were waiting for the DC to come try to take their resource again. I ask my mDK buddy, "Hey what's your whip tooltip?"
"Mmm, ~6.5k. What's your Surprise Attack?"
"Uhh, ~11.2k."

That's a problem because of his build not mDK lol.

My whip hits for 9.2k

ya tooltip unbuffed i have like 8.7k.

You are quite tanky as well right?
If so thats really nice.

DKsUnite · May 2016

Ariades_swe wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

So there we were waiting for the DC to come try to take their resource again. I ask my mDK buddy, "Hey what's your whip tooltip?"
"Mmm, ~6.5k. What's your Surprise Attack?"
"Uhh, ~11.2k."

That's a problem because of his build not mDK lol.

My whip hits for 9.2k

ya tooltip unbuffed i have like 8.7k.

You are quite tanky as well right?
If so thats really nice.

Yeh I think I'm pretty tanky

1Grumpy_dunmer1 · May 2016

Rataroto wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Rataroto wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

I was really hoping there would be a suggestion here for buffing that morph in general. Not joking. If you're a magicka dk, there should be rewards for going in, being that vulnerable and having no escape.

Not asking for a nerf NOR a buff, I just want to know if it is working as intended. and reguarding dk changes IMO that skill should be the "Poisonuss Whip" ang finally give stam dks something in their own class.

I really don't like you.

... sorry to disapoint, but I never asked you to...

I just don't see how you could want magicka dk to be even worse in pvp. Ever notice zero players use the other morph for pvp?.... That's because it's no good. I think stam dk is strong enough especially considering coming changes. I would like for stam dk to have class skills in pvp also but to hinder magicka dk further would be Ludacris...... Good luck with that though.
P. S. The whole magicka dk army despises you.... All three of them. Lol

kadar · May 2016

DKsUnite wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

So there we were waiting for the DC to come try to take their resource again. I ask my mDK buddy, "Hey what's your whip tooltip?"
"Mmm, ~6.5k. What's your Surprise Attack?"
"Uhh, ~11.2k."

That's a problem because of his build not mDK lol.

He's hella tanky. And Idk if he was buffed. My point was, whip is a weaksauce single target ability (good for duels, idk?).

Chadwikid · May 2016

Whip is supposed to be used to supplement our Dots. To provide increased pressure so to speak. Whether or not that is either possible or probable or viable is up for discussion. I find in some cases it is in some not. My whip tooktips somewhere around 10k I believe buffed (at work and don't remember exact numbers). Power lash is more of course.

Rataroto · May 2016

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Rataroto wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Rataroto wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

I was really hoping there would be a suggestion here for buffing that morph in general. Not joking. If you're a magicka dk, there should be rewards for going in, being that vulnerable and having no escape.

Not asking for a nerf NOR a buff, I just want to know if it is working as intended. and reguarding dk changes IMO that skill should be the "Poisonuss Whip" ang finally give stam dks something in their own class.

I really don't like you.

... sorry to disapoint, but I never asked you to...

I just don't see how you could want magicka dk to be even worse in pvp. Ever notice zero players use the other morph for pvp?.... That's because it's no good. I think stam dk is strong enough especially considering coming changes. I would like for stam dk to have class skills in pvp also but to hinder magicka dk further would be Ludacris...... Good luck with that though.
P. S. The whole magicka dk army despises you.... All three of them. Lol

The point is not a nerf nor making them weaker, whips used to be unable to dodge due to a glitch, as well as concealed weapon, they changed that, but aparently forgot to change the power lash, OR they made it like that. All I want a game that work as intended and its not broken, and if the whips are suposed to be dodge able, I want them to be, however if ZOS says, "nah you can't dodge it" I'll wont talk about it anymore. I tested with my dk and doing dodges on my nb with a dk friend, and it IS undodge able.

DKsUnite · May 2016

The_Outsider wrote: »

DKsUnite wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

So there we were waiting for the DC to come try to take their resource again. I ask my mDK buddy, "Hey what's your whip tooltip?"
"Mmm, ~6.5k. What's your Surprise Attack?"
"Uhh, ~11.2k."

That's a problem because of his build not mDK lol.

He's hella tanky. And Idk if he was buffed. My point was, whip is a weaksauce single target ability (good for duels, idk?).

well if he is a tank then why would you expect his whip to be high dmg? whip is most definitely not a weak ability. I have hit people for 10k+ with my whip.

ostrapz · May 2016

Can someone with these nearly 10k whips gve me an idea of what yourrunning? Im working on a magicka dk atm

DKsUnite · May 2016

ostrapz wrote: »

Can someone with these nearly 10k whips gve me an idea of what yourrunning? Im working on a magicka dk atm

high magicka 38-40k and having highish SD. In DB, my DK will be at around 38.5k max magicka and either 2.6 or 3k SD fully buffed depending on if i run glyphs or poisons. This is while having 31k spell, 27.5k armour and 2.9k crit resist.

Chadwikid · May 2016

^^whag he said^^

1Grumpy_dunmer1 · May 2016

Rataroto wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Rataroto wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Rataroto wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

I was really hoping there would be a suggestion here for buffing that morph in general. Not joking. If you're a magicka dk, there should be rewards for going in, being that vulnerable and having no escape.

Not asking for a nerf NOR a buff, I just want to know if it is working as intended. and reguarding dk changes IMO that skill should be the "Poisonuss Whip" ang finally give stam dks something in their own class.

I really don't like you.

... sorry to disapoint, but I never asked you to...

I just don't see how you could want magicka dk to be even worse in pvp. Ever notice zero players use the other morph for pvp?.... That's because it's no good. I think stam dk is strong enough especially considering coming changes. I would like for stam dk to have class skills in pvp also but to hinder magicka dk further would be Ludacris...... Good luck with that though.
P. S. The whole magicka dk army despises you.... All three of them. Lol

The point is not a nerf nor making them weaker, whips used to be unable to dodge due to a glitch, as well as concealed weapon, they changed that, but aparently forgot to change the power lash, OR they made it like that. All I want a game that work as intended and its not broken, and if the whips are suposed to be dodge able, I want them to be, however if ZOS says, "nah you can't dodge it" I'll wont talk about it anymore. I tested with my dk and doing dodges on my nb with a dk friend, and it IS undodge able.

No no no you said it should be the Stam dk morph..... No it shouldnt

kinggingernator · May 2016

Mag dks hit like noodles compared to every other class. Or at least they have no burst, which is the only thing that matters. On my mag dk my whip tool tip is 9.3k on snb and 10.2k duel wield. Without a crit that's less than 4k dmg, while a surprise attack would have hit for 6k at least with the same tool tip. The only burst dks have is fossilize meteor which I will admit is strong.
Idk what exactly they need but from a solo perspective they are weak. In groups they are fine but so is any build in the game so...

Rataroto · May 2016

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Rataroto wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Rataroto wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Rataroto wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

I was really hoping there would be a suggestion here for buffing that morph in general. Not joking. If you're a magicka dk, there should be rewards for going in, being that vulnerable and having no escape.

Not asking for a nerf NOR a buff, I just want to know if it is working as intended. and reguarding dk changes IMO that skill should be the "Poisonuss Whip" ang finally give stam dks something in their own class.

I really don't like you.

... sorry to disapoint, but I never asked you to...

I just don't see how you could want magicka dk to be even worse in pvp. Ever notice zero players use the other morph for pvp?.... That's because it's no good. I think stam dk is strong enough especially considering coming changes. I would like for stam dk to have class skills in pvp also but to hinder magicka dk further would be Ludacris...... Good luck with that though.
P. S. The whole magicka dk army despises you.... All three of them. Lol

The point is not a nerf nor making them weaker, whips used to be unable to dodge due to a glitch, as well as concealed weapon, they changed that, but aparently forgot to change the power lash, OR they made it like that. All I want a game that work as intended and its not broken, and if the whips are suposed to be dodge able, I want them to be, however if ZOS says, "nah you can't dodge it" I'll wont talk about it anymore. I tested with my dk and doing dodges on my nb with a dk friend, and it IS undodge able.

No no no you said it should be the Stam dk morph..... No it shouldnt

That too, but its because stamina dks desearve a whip, and makes more sense to give them the heal one...

kinggingernator · May 2016

Rataroto wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Rataroto wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Rataroto wrote: »

1Grumpy_dunmer1 wrote: »

Rataroto wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

I was really hoping there would be a suggestion here for buffing that morph in general. Not joking. If you're a magicka dk, there should be rewards for going in, being that vulnerable and having no escape.

Not asking for a nerf NOR a buff, I just want to know if it is working as intended. and reguarding dk changes IMO that skill should be the "Poisonuss Whip" ang finally give stam dks something in their own class.

I really don't like you.

... sorry to disapoint, but I never asked you to...

I just don't see how you could want magicka dk to be even worse in pvp. Ever notice zero players use the other morph for pvp?.... That's because it's no good. I think stam dk is strong enough especially considering coming changes. I would like for stam dk to have class skills in pvp also but to hinder magicka dk further would be Ludacris...... Good luck with that though.
P. S. The whole magicka dk army despises you.... All three of them. Lol

The point is not a nerf nor making them weaker, whips used to be unable to dodge due to a glitch, as well as concealed weapon, they changed that, but aparently forgot to change the power lash, OR they made it like that. All I want a game that work as intended and its not broken, and if the whips are suposed to be dodge able, I want them to be, however if ZOS says, "nah you can't dodge it" I'll wont talk about it anymore. I tested with my dk and doing dodges on my nb with a dk friend, and it IS undodge able.

No no no you said it should be the Stam dk morph..... No it shouldnt

That too, but its because stamina dks desearve a whip, and makes more sense to give them the heal one...

Um no it doesn't. Stam dks don't need a whip and they have no use for one. Wb or ani cancel works fine. Plus that would be a HUGE nerf to mag dks which are already the weakest class in the game. You have to be trolling.

D0ntevenL1ft · May 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I think my whip dmg on my mag dk is around 8k~, i'm an imperial though so it should be higher.

Still though mag dk's don't have the extra dmg passive that nb's do. Nb's get bonus crit dmg, bonus crit chance, 8% max magicka etc... therefore it's quite obvious why whip is a wet noodle compare to SA or concealed.

Imperial mag dk eh? Do you feel significantly weaker than dark elfs at all? Was considering re rolling new dark elf mag dk cuz my stam is red guard and am curious if you can feel a large difference?