Ganking with bow/dw on stam nb

leem1988

With the right gear is this build powerful enough to take targets down without getting into melee range, using lethal arrow, and poison injection?

Dalsinthus

5 marksman, including a bow (e.g., Head, Shoulders, Chest, Gloves, Bow). 5 clever alchemist, including your dual wield weapons (e.g., Boots, Belt, Legs, and 2 Daggers). 3 piece agility jewelry. Stamina glyphs on armor, weapon damage glyphs on jewelry, increase weapon damage glyph on bow. Divines traits on armor, paired with thief or shadow mundus. Robust on jewelry. Precise or Sharpened on weapons.

While in stealth, buff up with abilities like relentless focus and camo hunter. Drink a weapon damage potion while on your dual wield bar. Switch to bow, activate lethal arrow. While it is casting get ready for a well timed medium attack and/or poison injection/silver shards. The idea is for all your attacks to hit at basically the same time taking advantage of the stun and extra damage from stealth. Your enemies will melt. Get back into stealth and do it again. Enjoy the hate mail.

Papa_Hunt

Dalsinthus wrote: »

5 marksman, including a bow (e.g., Head, Shoulders, Chest, Gloves, Bow). 5 clever alchemist, including your dual wield weapons (e.g., Boots, Belt, Legs, and 2 Daggers). 3 piece agility jewelry. Stamina glyphs on armor, weapon damage glyphs on jewelry, increase weapon damage glyph on bow. Divines traits on armor, paired with thief or shadow mundus. Robust on jewelry. Precise or Sharpened on weapons.

While in stealth, buff up with abilities like relentless focus and camo hunter. Drink a weapon damage potion while on your dual wield bar. Switch to bow, activate lethal arrow. While it is casting get ready for a well timed medium attack and/or poison injection/silver shards. The idea is for all your attacks to hit at basically the same time taking advantage of the stun and extra damage from stealth. Your enemies will melt. Get back into stealth and do it again. Enjoy the hate mail.

Sounds pretty cool, but losing 20% damage for not having Rally kind of sucks.

leem1988

Awesome, this is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.

Dalsinthus

Papa_Hunt wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

5 marksman, including a bow (e.g., Head, Shoulders, Chest, Gloves, Bow). 5 clever alchemist, including your dual wield weapons (e.g., Boots, Belt, Legs, and 2 Daggers). 3 piece agility jewelry. Stamina glyphs on armor, weapon damage glyphs on jewelry, increase weapon damage glyph on bow. Divines traits on armor, paired with thief or shadow mundus. Robust on jewelry. Precise or Sharpened on weapons.

While in stealth, buff up with abilities like relentless focus and camo hunter. Drink a weapon damage potion while on your dual wield bar. Switch to bow, activate lethal arrow. While it is casting get ready for a well timed medium attack and/or poison injection/silver shards. The idea is for all your attacks to hit at basically the same time taking advantage of the stun and extra damage from stealth. Your enemies will melt. Get back into stealth and do it again. Enjoy the hate mail.

Sounds pretty cool, but losing 20% damage for not having Rally kind of sucks.

I recommended drinking a weapon damage potion. This provides the same 20% damage buff as Rally.

For general Stamblade pvp, I would not recommend this build. It is strictly a gank/burst bow focused build, which is what the OP asked for. For general pve and pvp, I would check out Jeckll's stamblade build on tamriel foundry. The current pvp version of that build incorporates a two handed weapon and Rally.

Dalsinthus

leem1988 wrote: »

Awesome, this is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.

Glad I could help!

Dalsinthus

I should add that you can get even more damage through Mage Light (for the empower passive), Shadowy Disguise for the auto crit, and having flawless dawnbreaker on your bow bar. That's a lot of buffs to activate at once and you will probably still succeed with just a mix of these and other abilities for finishing the fight when your initial burst is not quite enough.

QuebraRegra

Dalsinthus wrote: »

5 marksman, including a bow (e.g., Head, Shoulders, Chest, Gloves, Bow). 5 clever alchemist, including your dual wield weapons (e.g., Boots, Belt, Legs, and 2 Daggers). 3 piece agility jewelry. Stamina glyphs on armor, weapon damage glyphs on jewelry, increase weapon damage glyph on bow. Divines traits on armor, paired with thief or shadow mundus. Robust on jewelry. Precise or Sharpened on weapons.

While in stealth, buff up with abilities like relentless focus and camo hunter. Drink a weapon damage potion while on your dual wield bar. Switch to bow, activate lethal arrow. While it is casting get ready for a well timed medium attack and/or poison injection/silver shards. The idea is for all your attacks to hit at basically the same time taking advantage of the stun and extra damage from stealth. Your enemies will melt. Get back into stealth and do it again. Enjoy the hate mail.

true, and this is why softcaps were nice.

GreenSoup2HoT

Cleavar Alchemist is not practical compared to Rally. If you have the potions and want to chug a potion every kill go for it but its an expensive way to play.

Id reccomemd 5 shield breaker, 5 marksmen crest, 1 molag kena. Why Shield Breaker over hunding? You loose 125 damage and 6% crit but you gain 125 recovery with the unmitigated damage to shielded targets. Consider the fact so many players are magicka these days with healing ward. If they ever get a healing ward off befor you kill them, shield breaker is nice for a quick execute with a couple light attacks. The recovery is nice too.

Dalsinthus

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Cleavar Alchemist is not practical compared to Rally. If you have the potions and want to chug a potion every kill go for it but its an expensive way to play.

Id reccomemd 5 shield breaker, 5 marksmen crest, 1 molag kena. Why Shield Breaker over hunding? You loose 125 damage and 6% crit but you gain 125 recovery with the unmitigated damage to shielded targets. Consider the fact so many players are magicka these days with healing ward. If they ever get a healing ward off befor you kill them, shield breaker is nice for a quick execute with a couple light attacks. The recovery is nice too.

For absolutely maximum burst bow ganking, alchemist is the way to go. You're right of course that chugging weapon damage potions is expensive and impractical compared to Rally. A cheaper approach would be to take the kit I suggested above, remove agility, use an achemist 2 hander, and bring in 2 pieces of whatever - kena and bloodspawn. So something like Marksman bow, chest, ring x2, and necklace, Alchemist greatsword, legs, waist, feet, and glove, kena shoulder, and bloodspawn helm. With that set you can drink the free potions you get as random drops and still have nearly the same burst dps.

For my stamblade I run 5 hundings, 1 kena, 1 bloodspawn, and either a sharpened maelstrom greatsword and bow (still farming the maelstrom bow) or precise nightmother daggers and bow (with nightmother helm instead of bloodspwan). I also have full sets of shield breaker, nightmother, and twice born. Shieldbreaker is a pain to find in all divines, but you can find in in guild traders or rng it with telvar. All these sets are pretty close in dps and general utility. I prefer to do a mix of burst dps and sustain so I like this setup better than the burst focus of marksman/alchemist.

Omgwtfbbq321

I can see how this would be nice for some AP gain, and stopping enemy reinforcements between keeps. But wouldn't that take the fun out of PVPing? Seems like you may as well be shooting NPCs if you don't have the enemy fight back.

Just my two cents.

Sunburnt_Penguin

Omgwtfbbq321 wrote: »

I can see how this would be nice for some AP gain, and stopping enemy reinforcements between keeps. But wouldn't that take the fun out of PVPing? Seems like you may as well be shooting NPCs if you don't have the enemy fight back.

Just my two cents.

As with everything in life, what people deem as fun is always subjective and varied.

I personally don't like running with large groups, I prefer small scale and 1v1s because that's where my ability is tested. Rather than just being a number in a large group running from keep to keep and either spamming ranged attacks from the safety of 30 others in to 30 others or Xv1ing people if you outnumber them and contributing 3k damage to the kill.

Ganking isn't always about killing someone who's straggling behind the group on the way to a keep, much of my enjoyment comes from killing a member of a group without the others knowing and then sneaking off sending them in them in the wrong direction and watching them search for me whilst being right under their noses before repeating.

So whilst it's not a straight 1v1, 1vX, Xv1 or XvX it's still obviously PvP but more to do with outwitting them rather than outplaying them.

Omgwtfbbq321

This is true, I have a hard time being around zurges as I get dropped from the server.

I really like those 2v2, 4x4 fights. Trying to get a rez in, while your mate distracts the enemy is always pretty epic.

You basically have to avoid keeps to find these though.

Its the fight that's fun, the AP at the end is just a bonus.

Redn3ck

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Cleavar Alchemist is not practical compared to Rally. If you have the potions and want to chug a potion every kill go for it but its an expensive way to play.

It only get expensive if you aren't finishing kills off on 1 potion and not religiously do your writs and sell the gold mats from them. Shoot even doing a quick 15 min farm run in the sewers then selling all your drops to the npc vendors will bank you a decent take of gold to buy potions with.

ku5h

If you want bursty ganky build add magelight to your rotation. Activating it before you fire(doesnt pull you out of stealth) will grant you empowerement for 20% dmg bonus for firs shot.

Minalan

One shotting someone from stealth is not a playstyle.

It's a balance issue, one I hope they address.

Jaiden

I been playing around with a poison bow build. 5 marksman, 2xrings/chest/legs/bow. 5 morag tong, yea still v14, but that 15% poison damage is pretty killer, Helm/gloves/belt/boots/neck. Kena shoulders. With CPs, you get 25% poison damage. Poison bow abilities count as dots so you can double stack them with points into theurmaturge. 8% from flawless, 8% from marksman, you start to get the picture. So add it up, 15+25+8+8+16(theurmaturge, I think). Your looking at 72% increased poison damage, not to mention extra damage from buffs like rally, relentless focus, magelight empower. It's been working pretty well. I'm enjoying it.

Junipus

A nice consistent build for ganking, so you don't have to rely on chugging pots (not ideal if you're detected and can't pop that pot to stay alive) is:

5 marksman (2 with impen)
3 robust agility rings with weapon damage enchants
1 Kena
2 Leki

With enough CP into stam recovery, combined with marksman bonuses and relentless focus can reach 1500 regen on a khajiit character. if you take shadowy disguise then you don't have to put points into the weapon crit CP either so can allocate them to bow heavy/light attacks instead on top of any into mighty. Can even avoid putting many points into armour pen CP if you don't mind having to pick your targets.

However, alchemist build with buffs can get you a 22k tooltip for focused aim which is more than you'll get from a more general build. I'd also recommend focused aim over lethal arrow. The armour reduction and bonus damage and distance is a great asset since you'll be sniping them hopefully in one shot, so healing debuff won't be so essential.