Do the Hardy and Elemental Defender CP abilities apply to shields?

Minalan

Do The Hardy and Elemental Defender CP in the Lady star apply to Igneous shield and Hardened Ward?

If so, then at some point it's not optimal to keep dumping points into bastion at .02% when you can reduce physical, elemental, or DOT harm to shields by a much larger margin right?

I ask, because I've heard two different answers to this, between here and guild mates.

glavius

Wow 2 replies both wrong. They do apply. Stop spreading false information...

Aeerol

As far as I know, the mitigation of hardy and elemental defender do not take place until after the shield disappears. This meaning you're shields will take full damage from an attack until they are used up and any damage that spills over hitting your health pool is then reduced by hardy and elemental defender. But don't quote me on this

Forestd16b14_ESO

No hardy and elemental defend does in no way at all boost damage shields effectiveness or boost how long they stay up or anything like that. They do not effect damage shields period nor should they.

Lexxypwns

glavius wrote: »

Wow 2 replies both wrong. They do apply. Stop spreading false information...

this is the correct answer, they apply their mitigation to shields, you can test this easily yourself if you believe it isn't.

@Forestd16b14_ESO stop spreading false info, you've given a similar reply multiple times to this question and you are WRONG, spend some time testing things before you answer questions

FriedEggSandwich

Minalan wrote: »

Do The Hardy and Elemental Defender CP in the Lady star apply to Igneous shield and Hardened Ward?

If so, then at some point it's not optimal to keep dumping points into bastion at .02% when you can reduce physical, elemental, or DOT harm to shields by a much larger margin right?

I ask, because I've heard two different answers to this, between here and guild mates.

You're right; it's not optimal to put all your cp into bastion. This is why we have 100cp bastion shield stacking sorcs who think they're squishy and insist that shield stacking is the only way they can survive. They forget that the stam dk that just wiped them has 100cp in mighty and so does 25% more physical damage to their shield, not realising that they could counter some of this with cp invested in hardy. Zos have always been really good at obfuscating core game mechanics. You can only really blame them for people not knowing this.

FriedEggSandwich

Lexxypwns wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Wow 2 replies both wrong. They do apply. Stop spreading false information...

this is the correct answer, they apply their mitigation to shields, you can test this easily yourself if you believe it isn't.

@Forestd16b14_ESO stop spreading false info, you've given a similar reply multiple times to this question and you are WRONG, spend some time testing things before you answer questions

I don't think he ever goes back to look at responses. Absolute train wreck.

olsborg

glavius wrote: »

Wow 2 replies both wrong. They do apply. Stop spreading false information...

Confirmed, they do apply to damage shields and always have.

Bashev

olsborg wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Wow 2 replies both wrong. They do apply. Stop spreading false information...

Confirmed, they do apply to damage shields and always have.

That is why the shield stacking is the best defence right now. Sadly who can shield stack with high values shields has a great dps too.

olsborg

Bashev wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Wow 2 replies both wrong. They do apply. Stop spreading false information...

Confirmed, they do apply to damage shields and always have.

That is why the shield stacking is the best defence right now. Sadly who can shield stack with high values shields has a great dps too.

Shieldspam and shieldstack has been the top game mechanic since release, i remember my own sorc got so insanely strong as soon as it unlocked conjured ward back in april after release. That is why on my nightblade i use shieldbreaker.

Bashev

olsborg wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Wow 2 replies both wrong. They do apply. Stop spreading false information...

Confirmed, they do apply to damage shields and always have.

That is why the shield stacking is the best defence right now. Sadly who can shield stack with high values shields has a great dps too.

Shieldspam and shieldstack has been the top game mechanic since release, i remember my own sorc got so insanely strong as soon as it unlocked conjured ward back in april after release. That is why on my nightblade i use shieldbreaker.

They were a good defensive mechanic but at least with the soft caps it wasnt so strong. Also at one point you werent able to recast your shield before it expires, idk why devs changed that. I guess to many sorcs complained about it. Also before the biggest problem wasnt sorc shield but it was harness magicka and how it reduced all the damage taken on all shields and returned magicka.

Cinbri

Problems began only when:
1. softcaps were removed.
2. ward gave ability to reapply shield while previous didn't expired yet.

FriedEggSandwich

Cinbri wrote: »

Problems began only when:
1. softcaps were removed.
2. ward gave ability to reapply shield while previous didn't expired yet.

Number 2 was necessary cos numer 1 happened. Hardened ward used to be a choice you made but you could play without it and just use a combination of healing springs, rapid regen and streak to kite. The removal of softcaps and reduction of ttk kinda forced sorcs into needing the new and improved hardened ward, and the nerf to streak was the nail in the coffin for wardless sorcs.

Minalan

Yeah, now you can't even streak out of a wrecking blow you see coming a mile away and ten seconds ahead of time.

There's the two handed sword.
(Hit streak)
There's the windup.
Go flying through the air regardless.
Dead.

Same thing every time, sometimes there's as much as a two or three second delay between activating streak, and actually. You know. Actually Moving anywhere? Sometimes it works perfectly.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Cinbri wrote: »

Problems began only when:
1. softcaps were removed.
2. ward gave ability to reapply shield while previous didn't expired yet.

We REALLY need soft caps back.

DjKahun

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Problems began only when:
1. softcaps were removed.
2. ward gave ability to reapply shield while previous didn't expired yet.

We REALLY need soft caps back.

or not

Naphariel

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Problems began only when:
1. softcaps were removed.
2. ward gave ability to reapply shield while previous didn't expired yet.

We REALLY need soft caps back.

Please no.
Caps of any kind are the ultimate evil.

ishilb14_ESO

Bashev wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Wow 2 replies both wrong. They do apply. Stop spreading false information...

Confirmed, they do apply to damage shields and always have.

That is why the shield stacking is the best defence right now. Sadly who can shield stack with high values shields has a great dps too.

"The sorcs you should be afraid of are the ones that don't shield stack, because they are the ones that are built for more damage and have that killer instinct and the skills to match it."

-Antimatter

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

ishilb14_ESO wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Wow 2 replies both wrong. They do apply. Stop spreading false information...

Confirmed, they do apply to damage shields and always have.

That is why the shield stacking is the best defence right now. Sadly who can shield stack with high values shields has a great dps too.

"The sorcs you should be afraid of are the ones that don't shield stack, because they are the ones that are built for more damage and have that killer instinct and the skills to match it."

-Antimatter

Nah, the ones that don't use shields are just bad and easy kills.

Makkir

Response comes straight from Ezareth when I asked months ago,

"The damage reduction should be multiplicative with bastion though so either one (referencing hardy vs ele defender) is fine. Damage shields have always stacked with reduction passives."

I would probably recommend Hardy though only because if you run harness magicka then you have your spell dmg covered.

Makkir

Minalan wrote: »

Yeah, now you can't even streak out of a wrecking blow you see coming a mile away and ten seconds ahead of time.

There's the two handed sword.
(Hit streak)
There's the windup.
Go flying through the air regardless.
Dead.

Same thing every time, sometimes there's as much as a two or three second delay between activating streak, and actually. You know. Actually Moving anywhere? Sometimes it works perfectly.

If you ran defensive rune you'd be covered

FriedEggSandwich

Makkir wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Yeah, now you can't even streak out of a wrecking blow you see coming a mile away and ten seconds ahead of time.

There's the two handed sword.
(Hit streak)
There's the windup.
Go flying through the air regardless.
Dead.

Same thing every time, sometimes there's as much as a two or three second delay between activating streak, and actually. You know. Actually Moving anywhere? Sometimes it works perfectly.

If you ran defensive rune you'd be covered

Agree. Defensive rune is a sorcs counter to everything. It can interrupt cheesy beams from range, shake of someone chasing you with gap closer, cc someone in a siege engine from range forcing them out of the siege, cc a dk with wings up from range with the frags they just reflected back at you, cc whoever laid those caltrops wherever they may be lol. Rune so op. It's main downfall is it becomes increasingly less effective the more focus you have on you, so it's not really a 1vX tool if that's what you're into.

Makkir

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Agree. Defensive rune is a sorcs counter to everything. It can interrupt cheesy beams from range, shake of someone chasing you with gap closer, cc someone in a siege engine from range forcing them out of the siege, cc a dk with wings up from range with the frags they just reflected back at you, cc whoever laid those caltrops wherever they may be lol. Rune so op. It's main downfall is it becomes increasingly less effective the more focus you have on you, so it's not really a 1vX tool if that's what you're into.

And I primarily 1vX....I switched to Rune Cage though so I can Cage them and then throw Overload in their faces.
The gap closing available to stamina builds is just stupid right now, wrecking blow should have a much shorter range on it.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Makkir wrote: »

Response comes straight from Ezareth when I asked months ago,

"The damage reduction should be multiplicative with bastion though so either one (referencing hardy vs ele defender) is fine. Damage shields have always stacked with reduction passives."

I would probably recommend Hardy though only because if you run harness magicka then you have your spell dmg covered.

Sorry for the necromancy, but does this hold true in the post-DB meta?

Makkir

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Response comes straight from Ezareth when I asked months ago,

"The damage reduction should be multiplicative with bastion though so either one (referencing hardy vs ele defender) is fine. Damage shields have always stacked with reduction passives."

I would probably recommend Hardy though only because if you run harness magicka then you have your spell dmg covered.

Sorry for the necromancy, but does this hold true in the post-DB meta?

Yeah, post DB you only really need 77 or less pts into Bastion, depending on your level of comfort with our shield strength. I think I have 60-something bastion.

Minno

Though the opposite occurs for a BS Templar. You want bastion maxed to increase the dmg and size of blazing shield. Other sources scale the dmg up, but the bigger the shield means more dmg absorb. The more dmg absorbed, the more dmg dealt to attackers.

Minno

Makkir wrote: »

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Response comes straight from Ezareth when I asked months ago,

"The damage reduction should be multiplicative with bastion though so either one (referencing hardy vs ele defender) is fine. Damage shields have always stacked with reduction passives."

I would probably recommend Hardy though only because if you run harness magicka then you have your spell dmg covered.

Sorry for the necromancy, but does this hold true in the post-DB meta?

Yeah, post DB you only really need 77 or less pts into Bastion, depending on your level of comfort with our shield strength. I think I have 60-something bastion.

Going to test this out for BS Templar. It's possible the above number is what you want for any shield.

Minno

Minno wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Response comes straight from Ezareth when I asked months ago,

"The damage reduction should be multiplicative with bastion though so either one (referencing hardy vs ele defender) is fine. Damage shields have always stacked with reduction passives."

I would probably recommend Hardy though only because if you run harness magicka then you have your spell dmg covered.

Sorry for the necromancy, but does this hold true in the post-DB meta?

Yeah, post DB you only really need 77 or less pts into Bastion, depending on your level of comfort with our shield strength. I think I have 60-something bastion.

Going to test this out for BS Templar. It's possible the above number is what you want for any shield.

Tested it. But I'm not going to share my results .

Sandman929

Minno wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Response comes straight from Ezareth when I asked months ago,

"The damage reduction should be multiplicative with bastion though so either one (referencing hardy vs ele defender) is fine. Damage shields have always stacked with reduction passives."

I would probably recommend Hardy though only because if you run harness magicka then you have your spell dmg covered.

Sorry for the necromancy, but does this hold true in the post-DB meta?

Yeah, post DB you only really need 77 or less pts into Bastion, depending on your level of comfort with our shield strength. I think I have 60-something bastion.

Going to test this out for BS Templar. It's possible the above number is what you want for any shield.

Tested it. But I'm not going to share my results .

I think you just did.

Minno

Sandman929 wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Response comes straight from Ezareth when I asked months ago,

"The damage reduction should be multiplicative with bastion though so either one (referencing hardy vs ele defender) is fine. Damage shields have always stacked with reduction passives."

I would probably recommend Hardy though only because if you run harness magicka then you have your spell dmg covered.

Sorry for the necromancy, but does this hold true in the post-DB meta?

Yeah, post DB you only really need 77 or less pts into Bastion, depending on your level of comfort with our shield strength. I think I have 60-something bastion.

Going to test this out for BS Templar. It's possible the above number is what you want for any shield.

Tested it. But I'm not going to share my results .

I think you just did.

Plot twist: BS doesn't need bastion at all.

Sandman929

Minno wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Response comes straight from Ezareth when I asked months ago,

"The damage reduction should be multiplicative with bastion though so either one (referencing hardy vs ele defender) is fine. Damage shields have always stacked with reduction passives."

I would probably recommend Hardy though only because if you run harness magicka then you have your spell dmg covered.

Sorry for the necromancy, but does this hold true in the post-DB meta?

Yeah, post DB you only really need 77 or less pts into Bastion, depending on your level of comfort with our shield strength. I think I have 60-something bastion.

Going to test this out for BS Templar. It's possible the above number is what you want for any shield.

Tested it. But I'm not going to share my results .

I think you just did.

Plot twist: BS doesn't need bastion at all.

Back to the drawing board then....don't call it a comeback? I loved my BS Templar, but respec'd to try something else. If this is for real, I need to go re-tinker.