was doing some PvP the other night as a good sir does for his Pact when i notice...

dsalter

that nearly every enemy i was hitting ran Prox Det. i dunno about you but when nearly 90% of enemy players are running the same setup. you know it's performing TO well. and this isn't because we had zergs. these guys were A: outside the keep walls with us up on the walls and B: they mainly ran for single targets.

watching 2 det bombs run at a single guy, a skill designed to bust up GROUPS btw, obliterate the guy in less than a second (assuming the guy was tank setup, he tried to run in using sword'n'board and dk flappy wings) means it's doing to much single target damage, i can't blame people cheesing it past it's intended design, it's to good to pass up, if it agreed with my build i'd be running it myself.

they really need to... you know... actually look at this sort of stuff. if they want serious competitive PvP customers to even consider ESO then they need to actually focus this stuff.

Speely

Making a specific skill or set that is supposed to make up for a whole design flaw is never a good idea. Idea: address the design flaw itself.

dsalter

Speely wrote: »

Making a specific skill or set that is supposed to make up for a whole design flaw is never a good idea. Idea: address the design flaw itself.

this is a true point, but if they HAVE to band-aid fix things... actually do it right

kadar

Speely wrote: »

Making a specific skill or set that is supposed to make up for a whole design flaw is never a good idea. Idea: address the design flaw itself.

QFT.

Minalan

Any skill that everyone runs, without any other possible choice, is probably overpowered. It needs to be adjusted.

Proxy det is better than almost any class or weapon skill I can think of.

kadar

Minalan wrote: »

Any skill that everyone runs, without any other possible choice, is probably overpowered. It needs to be adjusted.

Proxy det is better than almost any class or weapon skill I can think of.

Some raids even ask (require?) that Stamina builds run it!

JubJub

Funniest part is when you see the red circles pop up throw caltrops on them and watch the panic cloak spam

dsalter

rossvoss wrote: »

Funniest part is when you see the red circles pop up throw caltrops on them and watch the panic cloak spam

large part of how i knew most of them ran it, those circles are massive indicators

Jackrs04

As someone said if everyone is using the same ability it maybe is overpowered( and it is: 10-15k damage even in single target) and trivializes every class. No point in running a dk, a temp, a sorc or NB anymore. As meteor anyway. This in my opinion is a major mistake in designing mechanics: you can't design a skill avabile to everybody that is vastly major than every class skill.

allstarplayergk

It's absolutely killing pvp. It's not that my kill to death ratio has changed, I still accumulate AP at the same rate, and I still sit high on my leader boards, but it's made PvP so BORING! One of the greatest thing about ESO at a point was having the SKILL to fight a diversified group of enemies, as the OP said 90%(maybe more) of Cyrodil is now running det/. Why do I want to fight 60 guys in a keep with all of them using the same exact combo. Yesterday I didn't have a single death recap that didn't have Det on it over an 8 hour play session. This was supposed to break up ball groups and zergs? Nope, now 50 man zergs are just running it. Entire fights are just a hundred red circles running everywhere this set/combo has taken all the skill out of PvP

GreenSoup2HoT

Magicka Detonation needs to be completely reworked. It's plaguing the game.

Xsorus

I'm not sure the point of this post; for example he brings up people running prox det at a single player... They did that pre patch... Because it actually hit harder before against singe players... Pretty much most magicka builds ran it... So nothing has bloody changed between patches

Vangy

Xsorus wrote: »

I'm not sure the point of this post; for example he brings up people running prox det at a single player... They did that pre patch... Because it actually hit harder before against singe players... Pretty much most magicka builds ran it... So nothing has bloody changed between patches

Back then, only a handful of long time pvpers had it. So many of us might not have noticed how broken proxy is. Now, proxy is available to one and all. Even bad players can unlock it in about a week or 2. So now, the problem is out of hand. Like people are pointing out, when every single player (and even some stam builds) are running it, its worth taking a look at. That was the point of the post i believe.

GeorgeBlack

Would you use proxy(and VD sets) if it worked like this? Either kill 2 enemies or blow up by yourself by receiving the damage.

Would you use proxy if it dealt 60% friendly fire?

Zerg busters do not excist, but zergs will, as long as Eso skills have 0 cooldown.

dsalter

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Would you use proxy(and VD sets) if it worked like this? Either kill 2 enemies or blow up by yourself by receiving the damage.

Would you use proxy if it dealt 60% friendly fire?

Zerg busters do not excist, but zergs will, as long as Eso skills have 0 cooldown.

yes and yes. cause both outweigh the losses

Sunburnt_Penguin

On my StamNB I always run Immovable and Razor Caltops on my off-bar. It's always funny watching a MagNB Lotus Fan to me with Proxy active hoping I haven't noticed the gigantic red circle around them. I just put Immovable up, throw Razor Caltrops down and dodge roll away. I watch that blow up then I just Cloak, Ambush, Cloak and WB them as they're like "WTF iz goihn ohn m8". Then before they know it I've executed them.

Granted, it takes limited skill to take down large/medium sized groups that are unaware. But I don't see any issues with it in a 1v1 as they're typically either unskilled or complacent.

Asmael

Oh dare you tell people that a zerg buster is OP when I only deal 11k damage to a singl... err, I mean...

olsborg

dsalter wrote: »

that nearly every enemy i was hitting ran Prox Det. i dunno about you but when nearly 90% of enemy players are running the same setup. you know it's performing TO well. and this isn't because we had zergs. these guys were A: outside the keep walls with us up on the walls and B: they mainly ran for single targets.

watching 2 det bombs run at a single guy, a skill designed to bust up GROUPS btw, obliterate the guy in less than a second (assuming the guy was tank setup, he tried to run in using sword'n'board and dk flappy wings) means it's doing to much single target damage, i can't blame people cheesing it past it's intended design, it's to good to pass up, if it agreed with my build i'd be running it myself.

they really need to... you know... actually look at this sort of stuff. if they want serious competitive PvP customers to even consider ESO then they need to actually focus this stuff.

Completely agree. Prox det needs to hit like a wet noodle on 1-3 players and start escalating its dmg quite dramaticly after that. Its silly how many ppl use this skill as a ganktool.

WillhelmBlack

I think it's pretty funny and sad at the same time. There are stamina builds actually using it, I was attacked by 2 stam builds the other week. I just stood there with harness up laughing, bashing their bow attacks and light attacking them back whilst they continued refreshing their Proxy Det. I guess they were waiting for a free spot in the EP zergs.

Baconlad

Whoa!! That's a great idea! The PROBLEM with proxy set is when an entire raid is running with them. Friendly fire is a great idea, make it so that zergs can no longer use it, but a few skilled players can. Soo like if proxy senses more than say three other players, it begins to do damage to them as well

tonemd

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

On my StamNB I always run Immovable and Razor Caltops on my off-bar. It's always funny watching a MagNB Lotus Fan to me with Proxy active hoping I haven't noticed the gigantic red circle around them. I just put Immovable up, throw Razor Caltrops down and dodge roll away. I watch that blow up then I just Cloak, Ambush, Cloak and WB them as they're like "WTF iz goihn ohn m8". Then before they know it I've executed them.

Granted, it takes limited skill to take down large/medium sized groups that are unaware. But I don't see any issues with it in a 1v1 as they're typically either unskilled or complacent.

I'm starting to wonder if people run it BECAUSE of the giant red circle. Would explain stam users running it for 2 to 3k magic damage. It does give one pause so it could be all psychological. A Blocked prox det when you are not in a crowd is not a big deal. It's basically become a makeshift Fear spell.

What would have happen if you just stunned him and ran through your rotation immediately instead of rolling away?

tonemd

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Sunburnt_Penguin

tonemd wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

On my StamNB I always run Immovable and Razor Caltops on my off-bar. It's always funny watching a MagNB Lotus Fan to me with Proxy active hoping I haven't noticed the gigantic red circle around them. I just put Immovable up, throw Razor Caltrops down and dodge roll away. I watch that blow up then I just Cloak, Ambush, Cloak and WB them as they're like "WTF iz goihn ohn m8". Then before they know it I've executed them.

Granted, it takes limited skill to take down large/medium sized groups that are unaware. But I don't see any issues with it in a 1v1 as they're typically either unskilled or complacent.

I'm starting to wonder if people run it BECAUSE of the giant red circle. Would explain stam users running it for 2 to 3k magic damage. It does give one pause so it could be all psychological. A Blocked prox det when you are not in a crowd is not a big deal. It's basically become a makeshift Fear spell.

What would have happen if you just stunned him and ran through your rotation immediately instead of rolling away?

Meh, probably not much as Immovable gives me 5k Spell & Physical Resistance anyway. I just do it in case a low health ally is close by and they're running VD.