Stam DK Question

oburn

Hey, I just hit V16 today on my DK, who up until now I've always played Magicka on him, but I'm going to give Stam a try.

I've been away from the game for 5 months, only came back about 2 weeks ago, so my question is what gear to craft. Keep in mind I can only craft stuff with up to 6 trait gear. I figure 5 piece of Hundering's Rage, but what else? I only have 172 CP also. I'm basically starting from scratch with this build, as I didn't have anything good on my Magicka DK anyways.

I did manage to get 2 purple pieces of Kyne's Kiss set, Boot's and Gloves, not sure if I should work that into the set or not. Any advice would help, thanks.

AverageJo3Gam3r

Go to a guild trader and buy agility rings and a necklace. Robust traits will cost a lot but you can find arcane traits cheaply. And more magicka is good on a DK.

Next you have to figure out what setup you want to run. 2H/1HS and 2H/bow seem to be common. Also, do you want to be a more traditional melee DK or have a one shot build a la Alcasts builds?

Do you have monster sets? Bloodspawn and engine guardian are the two most common sets used by a stam DK.

For the rest of your armor, fill it in using some combination of hundings, morkuldin, and nights silence. Play around with it for a bit.

Also, craft v15 armor until you find a setup you like.

oburn

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Go to a guild trader and buy agility rings and a necklace. Robust traits will cost a lot but you can find arcane traits cheaply. And more magicka is good on a DK.

Next you have to figure out what setup you want to run. 2H/1HS and 2H/bow seem to be common. Also, do you want to be a more traditional melee DK or have a one shot build a la Alcasts builds?

Do you have monster sets? Bloodspawn and engine guardian are the two most common sets used by a stam DK.

For the rest of your armor, fill it in using some combination of hundings, morkuldin, and nights silence. Play around with it for a bit.

Also, craft v15 armor until you find a setup you like.

I'm on PS4 so I'd say those agility rings are prob very expensive right now.

I was thinking of going with 2h/1hs build that Lefy Lucy has, but at the same time where my gear won't be the best maybe 2h/bow might work for now as I can kind of sit in the back and pick people with the bow and rush in with the 2h to finish people off in a group. Still deciding on that part haha.

No I don't have any of the monster sets unfortunately.

I'm a Vampire also, should I cure that and take Werewolf, or not use either of those?

Thanks for the suggestions

AverageJo3Gam3r

I'm on Xbox and arcane agility jewelry runs around 10k each. Not too bad but don't know what it runs on the PS4. Definitely worth saving up for. Lefty Lucy's build is good, though I prefer bow as well to give a ranged option.

I'm a WW though I don't use it anymore. If you know how to use it it can be strong, but the ultimate cost is really high. Never been a vamp so can't say how good it would be. You already have one of the best stamina ultimates in the game (leap) so don't know how good bat swarm would be on a stam build.

oburn

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

I'm on Xbox and arcane agility jewelry runs around 10k each. Not too bad but don't know what it runs on the PS4. Definitely worth saving up for. Lefty Lucy's build is good, though I prefer bow as well to give a ranged option.

I'm a WW though I don't use it anymore. If you know how to use it it can be strong, but the ultimate cost is really high. Never been a vamp so can't say how good it would be. You already have one of the best stamina ultimates in the game (leap) so don't know how good bat swarm would be on a stam build.

Yeah I had to go with the Endurance ring and neck piece with health for now, as I'm a Dunmer and needed more health which sucks, so hard to get health on this char lol. Yeah I went with Lefty's build but I have plenty of skill points so I spec'd in bow also for certain occations. Try out all 3 spec's.

Durham

This last patch has really frustraited me ....

1. Dragon Leap took a x2 nerf... unless you run food then its a x1 nerf....
2. All of our damage is decreased ...
3. We depend so heavily on WB and Stampede because we have nothing in our lines that does burst DPS in stamina... Of the
two, Stampede sometimes is not working, WB is awsome when it connects but a seasoned player can avoided it/ block it.
4. The rise of Magicka in this last patch has forced me to use more magicka ... Im finding a need wings more then ever ... Drinks are so important ... but I do need food for DPS also...
5. Proxy det hitting single targets for 9k with us running drinks means thats half our health...
6. Its been rough hard finding fair fights since they took away the low pop servers.
7. I'm still trying to find a build that works .... Like mine did before the patch...

kadar

Durham wrote: »

This last patch has really frustraited me ....

1. Dragon Leap took a x2 nerf... unless you run food then its a x1 nerf....
2. All of our damage is decreased ...
3. We depend so heavily on WB and Stampede because we have nothing in our lines that does burst DPS in stamina... Of the
two, Stampede sometimes is not working, WB is awsome when it connects but a seasoned player can avoided it/ block it.
4. The rise of Magicka in this last patch has forced me to use more magicka ... Im finding a need wings more then ever ... Drinks are so important ... but I do need food for DPS also...
5. Proxy det hitting single targets for 9k with us running drinks means thats half our health...
6. Its been rough hard finding fair fights since they took away the low pop servers.
7. I'm still trying to find a build that works .... Like mine did before the patch...

1. What do you mean?
2. I thought DKs got an overall buff w/ TG patch...
3. Whip doesn't compare to Suprise Attack. WB is awesome all the time.
4. Magicka Meta inc for sure, but let's not be hastly--Stam will survive
5. Proxy Det took a nerf against single targets, didn't it?
6. They took away Axe...which was essentially a dead campaign, and when it wasn't the level of play was just above PVE questing status...
7. The struggle is real.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Stay magicka ZOS made it clear they HATE stamina with the TG patch. But again even magicka DKs are lack luster cause all they got was a skill to give spell damage and spell crit ... that's it ......

Seriously any one who thinks magicka DKs are a OP META needs their heads checked out.

kadar

The_Outsider wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

This last patch has really frustraited me ....

1. Dragon Leap took a x2 nerf... unless you run food then its a x1 nerf....
2. All of our damage is decreased ...
3. We depend so heavily on WB and Stampede because we have nothing in our lines that does burst DPS in stamina... Of the
two, Stampede sometimes is not working, WB is awsome when it connects but a seasoned player can avoided it/ block it.
4. The rise of Magicka in this last patch has forced me to use more magicka ... Im finding a need wings more then ever ... Drinks are so important ... but I do need food for DPS also...
5. Proxy det hitting single targets for 9k with us running drinks means thats half our health...
6. Its been rough hard finding fair fights since they took away the low pop servers.
7. I'm still trying to find a build that works .... Like mine did before the patch...

1. What do you mean?
2. I thought DKs got an overall buff w/ TG patch...
3. Whip doesn't compare to Suprise Attack. WB is awesome all the time.
4. Magicka Meta inc for sure, but let's not be hastly--Stam will survive
5. Proxy Det took a nerf against single targets, didn't it?
6. They took away Axe...which was essentially a dead campaign, and when it wasn't the level of play was just above PVE questing status...
7. The struggle is real.

EDIT: confirmed. I went back over the TG notes and literally every DK change is a buff.

kadar

@oburn

I see a lot of Stam Dks do really well with 2 Bloodspawn. So that might be something to shoot for as far as Head and Shoulders go.

D0ntevenL1ft

The_Outsider wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

This last patch has really frustraited me ....

1. Dragon Leap took a x2 nerf... unless you run food then its a x1 nerf....
2. All of our damage is decreased ...
3. We depend so heavily on WB and Stampede because we have nothing in our lines that does burst DPS in stamina... Of the
two, Stampede sometimes is not working, WB is awsome when it connects but a seasoned player can avoided it/ block it.
4. The rise of Magicka in this last patch has forced me to use more magicka ... Im finding a need wings more then ever ... Drinks are so important ... but I do need food for DPS also...
5. Proxy det hitting single targets for 9k with us running drinks means thats half our health...
6. Its been rough hard finding fair fights since they took away the low pop servers.
7. I'm still trying to find a build that works .... Like mine did before the patch...

1. What do you mean?
2. I thought DKs got an overall buff w/ TG patch...
3. Whip doesn't compare to Suprise Attack. WB is awesome all the time.
4. Magicka Meta inc for sure, but let's not be hastly--Stam will survive
5. Proxy Det took a nerf against single targets, didn't it?
6. They took away Axe...which was essentially a dead campaign, and when it wasn't the level of play was just above PVE questing status...
7. The struggle is real.

EDIT: confirmed. I went back over the TG notes and literally every DK change is a buff.

What in the world…? Every single change is a buff? What notes did you read? CP changes hurt all stam including dk, we cannot reflect meteor, no regen in stealth hurts also hurts stam classes… Take a re-read of the patch notes.

kadar

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

This last patch has really frustraited me ....

1. Dragon Leap took a x2 nerf... unless you run food then its a x1 nerf....
2. All of our damage is decreased ...
3. We depend so heavily on WB and Stampede because we have nothing in our lines that does burst DPS in stamina... Of the
two, Stampede sometimes is not working, WB is awsome when it connects but a seasoned player can avoided it/ block it.
4. The rise of Magicka in this last patch has forced me to use more magicka ... Im finding a need wings more then ever ... Drinks are so important ... but I do need food for DPS also...
5. Proxy det hitting single targets for 9k with us running drinks means thats half our health...
6. Its been rough hard finding fair fights since they took away the low pop servers.
7. I'm still trying to find a build that works .... Like mine did before the patch...

1. What do you mean?
2. I thought DKs got an overall buff w/ TG patch...
3. Whip doesn't compare to Suprise Attack. WB is awesome all the time.
4. Magicka Meta inc for sure, but let's not be hastly--Stam will survive
5. Proxy Det took a nerf against single targets, didn't it?
6. They took away Axe...which was essentially a dead campaign, and when it wasn't the level of play was just above PVE questing status...
7. The struggle is real.

EDIT: confirmed. I went back over the TG notes and literally every DK change is a buff.

What in the world…? Every single change is a buff? What notes did you read? CP changes hurt all stam including dk, we cannot reflect meteor, no regen in stealth hurts also hurts stam classes… Take a re-read of the patch notes.

Re-read.

The Dragonknight class received quite a few buffs. Read the changes under "Dragonknight."
Sure, Stamina users took an indirect nerf with changes to CP.
Sure, Magicka users got a buff w/ Meteor being un-reflectable.
Dunno what you mean "no regen in stealth." Something that was changed pre-TG? I found nothing in notes.

D0ntevenL1ft

The_Outsider wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

This last patch has really frustraited me ....

1. Dragon Leap took a x2 nerf... unless you run food then its a x1 nerf....
2. All of our damage is decreased ...
3. We depend so heavily on WB and Stampede because we have nothing in our lines that does burst DPS in stamina... Of the
two, Stampede sometimes is not working, WB is awsome when it connects but a seasoned player can avoided it/ block it.
4. The rise of Magicka in this last patch has forced me to use more magicka ... Im finding a need wings more then ever ... Drinks are so important ... but I do need food for DPS also...
5. Proxy det hitting single targets for 9k with us running drinks means thats half our health...
6. Its been rough hard finding fair fights since they took away the low pop servers.
7. I'm still trying to find a build that works .... Like mine did before the patch...

1. What do you mean?
2. I thought DKs got an overall buff w/ TG patch...
3. Whip doesn't compare to Suprise Attack. WB is awesome all the time.
4. Magicka Meta inc for sure, but let's not be hastly--Stam will survive
5. Proxy Det took a nerf against single targets, didn't it?
6. They took away Axe...which was essentially a dead campaign, and when it wasn't the level of play was just above PVE questing status...
7. The struggle is real.

EDIT: confirmed. I went back over the TG notes and literally every DK change is a buff.

What in the world…? Every single change is a buff? What notes did you read? CP changes hurt all stam including dk, we cannot reflect meteor, no regen in stealth hurts also hurts stam classes… Take a re-read of the patch notes.

Re-read.

The Dragonknight class received quite a few buffs. Read the changes under "Dragonknight."
Sure, Stamina users took an indirect nerf with changes to CP.
Sure, Magicka users got a buff w/ Meteor being un-reflectable.
Dunno what you mean "no regen in stealth." Something that was changed pre-TG? I found nothing in notes.

Sorry a majority of my argument is that STAM took a hit, thus including stam DK. Specific changes to the DK include a weaker ult, and not being able to reflect meteor. On the contrary i do not see any stam DK specific buffs. Also yes there is no stam regen while stealthed which is in the patch notes for TG; again a stam hit not respective to just DK.

kadar

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

This last patch has really frustraited me ....

1. Dragon Leap took a x2 nerf... unless you run food then its a x1 nerf....
2. All of our damage is decreased ...
3. We depend so heavily on WB and Stampede because we have nothing in our lines that does burst DPS in stamina... Of the
two, Stampede sometimes is not working, WB is awsome when it connects but a seasoned player can avoided it/ block it.
4. The rise of Magicka in this last patch has forced me to use more magicka ... Im finding a need wings more then ever ... Drinks are so important ... but I do need food for DPS also...
5. Proxy det hitting single targets for 9k with us running drinks means thats half our health...
6. Its been rough hard finding fair fights since they took away the low pop servers.
7. I'm still trying to find a build that works .... Like mine did before the patch...

1. What do you mean?
2. I thought DKs got an overall buff w/ TG patch...
3. Whip doesn't compare to Suprise Attack. WB is awesome all the time.
4. Magicka Meta inc for sure, but let's not be hastly--Stam will survive
5. Proxy Det took a nerf against single targets, didn't it?
6. They took away Axe...which was essentially a dead campaign, and when it wasn't the level of play was just above PVE questing status...
7. The struggle is real.

EDIT: confirmed. I went back over the TG notes and literally every DK change is a buff.

What in the world…? Every single change is a buff? What notes did you read? CP changes hurt all stam including dk, we cannot reflect meteor, no regen in stealth hurts also hurts stam classes… Take a re-read of the patch notes.

Re-read.

The Dragonknight class received quite a few buffs. Read the changes under "Dragonknight."
Sure, Stamina users took an indirect nerf with changes to CP.
Sure, Magicka users got a buff w/ Meteor being un-reflectable.
Dunno what you mean "no regen in stealth." Something that was changed pre-TG? I found nothing in notes.

Sorry a majority of my argument is that STAM took a hit, thus including stam DK. Specific changes to the DK include a weaker ult, and not being able to reflect meteor. On the contrary i do not see any stam DK specific buffs. Also yes there is no stam regen while stealthed which is in the patch notes for TG; again a stam hit not respective to just DK.

That's neat that your argument is that Stamina took a hit. People can mitigate our physical damage now! We're all on the same page.
I was more interested in DK's, magicka and stamina, as that's more in line with the topic of this thread.

Duiwel

Stam DK's didn't really get a buff, they just stayed the same, MagDK got the buff bro

Durham

The_Outsider wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

This last patch has really frustraited me ....

1. Dragon Leap took a x2 nerf... unless you run food then its a x1 nerf....
2. All of our damage is decreased ...
3. We depend so heavily on WB and Stampede because we have nothing in our lines that does burst DPS in stamina... Of the
two, Stampede sometimes is not working, WB is awsome when it connects but a seasoned player can avoided it/ block it.
4. The rise of Magicka in this last patch has forced me to use more magicka ... Im finding a need wings more then ever ... Drinks are so important ... but I do need food for DPS also...
5. Proxy det hitting single targets for 9k with us running drinks means thats half our health...
6. Its been rough hard finding fair fights since they took away the low pop servers.
7. I'm still trying to find a build that works .... Like mine did before the patch...

1. What do you mean?
2. I thought DKs got an overall buff w/ TG patch...
3. Whip doesn't compare to Suprise Attack. WB is awesome all the time.
4. Magicka Meta inc for sure, but let's not be hastly--Stam will survive
5. Proxy Det took a nerf against single targets, didn't it?
6. They took away Axe...which was essentially a dead campaign, and when it wasn't the level of play was just above PVE questing status...
7. The struggle is real.

1. Leap was rebalanced around stamina so if you run food you are fine however if you run drinks you lost about 3k in base damage ... plus with the addition of hardy your taking another -20% from most players.. I went from 19k Delve before empower to 16k ....+ hardy ... hits are much lower...
2. For Magicka only .. No new decent stamina morphs
3. WB is only awsome against people who do not know how to avoid it ... It is hitting about 20% less now across the board. Suprise attacks will out DPS it any day..... before patch 10K WB were very common after patch 5-7k WB are now common...
4. Stamina will survive you are right (I agree but it has been nerfed) They even nerf stealth movement ...
5. Yes only 15% on base damage ... When you see NBs using it and Sorcs using to fight solo you have a problem
6. OLD true flame was low to medium pop server its no longer exists as it was .... Now I go to haderous to get away from the lag that is TRUE FLAME
7. I agree

Durham

Duiwel wrote: »

Stam DK's didn't really get a buff, they just stayed the same, MagDK got the buff bro

No Dragon leap was taken from Weapon Damage to Stamina ..... Most DKs run drinks so they can still use the much needed magicka abilites.... So Dragon leap lost about 2500 to 3k base damage .... also with the addition of Hardy we are hitting for less....... but all stamina classes are ......

Durham

Stamina will survive ... but the meta has changed for now .... but this game balances in cycles lol