Proximity detonation in cyro.

DaveMoeDee

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tomato wrote: »

SymbioteKing26 wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

I kinda agree that it's getting a bit ridiculous watching everyone and their grandmother run around with det. However I laugh at them because it's useless against my build. Classic case of people thinking they are good when using it but when it doesn't work it's like deer in headlights.

Hey! So what, in your opinion , makes a good counter?

Magnum shot

Blocking, impen, elemental defender.

Also harness magicka helps, meaning this ability wont crit.

The blade cloak from Dual wield reduces its damage by 20% aswell.

Any shield means it won't crit, including something like igneous.

Cool. So stamina build's are just as the mercy of magicka detonation. So.... should i re-roll magicka now or ?

I guess i'm going to have to create a bombard build. Keep those proxi det user's frozen in place. Not really sure what to do xD.

You have 8 slots.

Lettigall

Proxy is too effective against single player and small groups. There should be some player cap where proxy do little damage but if more people around damage should rise more rapidly. Other solution could be if there more active proxy detonations in area less effective it is. Right now zergbuster ability(lol) is one of the reasons why people zerg.

leepalmer95

Lettigall wrote: »

Proxy is too effective against single player and small groups. There should be some player cap where proxy do little damage but if more people around damage should rise more rapidly. Other solution could be if there more active proxy detonations in area less effective it is. Right now zergbuster ability(lol) is one of the reasons why people zerg.

Well i've seen quite a few people take out a group of like 10? on their own. In a group of 3-4 you could do serious dmg to a zerg, haven't seen VD yet either.

timidobserver

The single target damage should never hit for more than 2k, but I am okay with the damage against more than 1 opponent.

Domander

I think I like where it's at right now, the damage against a single target isn't all that much more than some single target abilities... and you have to wait 8 seconds for it to fire. What makes it really great is that players like to bunch up... heh.

Astanphaeus

Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.

Durham

Yes great post you are correct

Wreuntzylla

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.

Well, although I think proxy det is ok, the main differences is that proxy let's you setup for burst.

The numbers people throw around are kind of crazy. If you have that much of a problem, put impenetrable on all armor pieces and stack some CP resistant. Now that players can make a crit 2x or greater than a non-crit, you potentially reduce damage by almost 50%.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.

ST is problem, PD is a problem too. In a larger PoV, almost all the AOE in this game are too strong, and the global DPS is too high. Their is clearely a DPS/mitigation problem since 1.6

GreenSoup2HoT

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.

i would say because you can queue up burst with another aoe and Proxi. You need to be low for steel tornado to do the extra damage also.

Which of the two would you rather happen to you?

nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, proxi det, sap essence

nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, steel tornado.

i would prob prefer the stamina class over the magicka class jumping on me 100% of the time.

being able to queue up burst imo is why proxi is so strong. you can go 100 to 0 befor you can react/counter somtimes.

against a stam build, its so easy to cc break and pop a heal.

leepalmer95

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.

i would say because you can queue up burst with another aoe and Proxi. You need to be low for steel tornado to do the extra damage also.

Which of the two would you rather happen to you?

nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, proxi det, sap essence

nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, steel tornado.

i would prob prefer the stamina class over the magicka class jumping on me 100% of the time.

being able to queue up burst imo is why proxi is so strong. you can go 100 to 0 befor you can react/counter somtimes.

against a stam build, its so easy to pop a heal and be fine.

The stam one would use bats/steel.

Because 12m high dmg aoe execute.

GreenSoup2HoT

leepalmer95 wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.

i would say because you can queue up burst with another aoe and Proxi. You need to be low for steel tornado to do the extra damage also.

Which of the two would you rather happen to you?

nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, proxi det, sap essence

nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, steel tornado.

i would prob prefer the stamina class over the magicka class jumping on me 100% of the time.

being able to queue up burst imo is why proxi is so strong. you can go 100 to 0 befor you can react/counter somtimes.

against a stam build, its so easy to pop a heal and be fine.

The stam one would use bats/steel.

Because 12m high dmg aoe execute.

steel tornado only execute's when you are at low health. i think its 25% hp

steel tornado is 9 meters now too.

that combo is easy to defend against also. no stun compared to soul tether. not saying it isnt effective, i run that also. i execute for my magicka buddies who use proxi.

leepalmer95

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.

i would say because you can queue up burst with another aoe and Proxi. You need to be low for steel tornado to do the extra damage also.

Which of the two would you rather happen to you?

nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, proxi det, sap essence

nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, steel tornado.

i would prob prefer the stamina class over the magicka class jumping on me 100% of the time.

being able to queue up burst imo is why proxi is so strong. you can go 100 to 0 befor you can react/counter somtimes.

against a stam build, its so easy to pop a heal and be fine.

The stam one would use bats/steel.

Because 12m high dmg aoe execute.

steel tornado only execute's when you are at low health. i think its 25% hp

steel tornado is 9 meters now too.

that combo is easy to defend against also. no stun compared to soul tether. not saying it isnt effective, i run that also. i execute for my magicka buddies who use proxi.

It starts doing increased dmg when your below 50% hp, range got reduced but dmg is increased :P

Tankqull

Durham wrote: »

I think it good right now on 10+ targets. However on 1-4 it's to much .... The multiplier need to be change + the base value needs to lowered but the damage ramp needs to be increased especially after 4 ......

this 9k+ on an aoe attack vs a single target is by far to much this needs to be below 2.5k and have increased multiplyers vs multiple targets.

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.

steel tornado does only a ton of dmg vs targets nearly dead aka below 25% life above that its normal aoe dmg its advantage was its huge circle wich is gone by now aswell. and as long as proxy is a delayed ability not a casted dmg - above 2,5k vs a single target is not warranted.

Level66Charizard

I picked the other morph like an idiot

leepalmer95

Level66Charizard wrote: »

I picked the other morph like an idiot

The other morph is good for ranged builds, sorc/ desto nb's etc...

DHale

Or you could run 100 elemental defender, 48 in resist. 7 Inpen in light armor, prox det by four players.... Yawn. Steel tornado.... Wrecking blow .... Dead. You have to build to defend just as much as to deliver damage. You choose to qq rather than adapt and overcome. Semper Fidelis.

GreenSoup2HoT

leepalmer95 wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Astanphaeus wrote: »

Someone explain to me why people are fine with steel tornado which can actually be spammed doing a ton of damage to a single target, but a spell that takes 8 seconds to go off can't do 8k to a single target, because I really can't think of a reason other than gankers being pissy that they still lose sometimes.

i would say because you can queue up burst with another aoe and Proxi. You need to be low for steel tornado to do the extra damage also.

Which of the two would you rather happen to you?

nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, proxi det, sap essence

nightblade jumps on you: soul tether, steel tornado.

i would prob prefer the stamina class over the magicka class jumping on me 100% of the time.

being able to queue up burst imo is why proxi is so strong. you can go 100 to 0 befor you can react/counter somtimes.

against a stam build, its so easy to pop a heal and be fine.

The stam one would use bats/steel.

Because 12m high dmg aoe execute.

steel tornado only execute's when you are at low health. i think its 25% hp

steel tornado is 9 meters now too.

that combo is easy to defend against also. no stun compared to soul tether. not saying it isnt effective, i run that also. i execute for my magicka buddies who use proxi.

It starts doing increased dmg when your below 50% hp, range got reduced but dmg is increased :P

I was thinking of somthing else.

Steel Tornado has multiple phases of increased damage. Example with 3k damage.

100% hp : 3000 / 3450 (Ruffian)
50% hp : 6000 / 6900 (Ruffian)
25% hp (Slaughter Passive) : 7200 / 8100 (w Ruffian)

So yeah the damage can ramp up depending the circumstances.

How much did the damage get increased?

I saw the patch notes state the damage got increased per level because of the reduced range but no actual numbers.

Thanks for pointing out steel tornado ramps up at 50%. The tooltip's for executes and steel tornado need to be more specific.

It's like the critical values. How does someone know how much % the values are without the people who tested it out. xD

Thanks again.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

olsborg wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

AshTal wrote: »

Inevitable det is a bit weak its the only attack against huge zergs. It takes so long to cast its not much use

Proximity detonation is however over powered - just get a DK leap into a group and spam it. I no longer see steel tornado on every death screen its pox det being spammed by zerg groups.

how exactly do you spam an 8 second move lol. but yes thats a powerful combo

I think he means "spam" as in recast everytime the 8s is up, wich isnt rly spamming, but you get the idea..

clearly, but do we really need to overemphasize everything? really? its literally the slowest move in the game, calling it spamable is just being misrepresentitive on purpose to *** and moan

we all know what spam is.

prox det, cast a few instants-light weave/block some cc's, cleanse, attack some more,recast prox... not spam lol

Edziu

Docmandu wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Nothing wrong with proxy

Nerf NBs :-)

if you can see deto has prced only 7x when soul tether and sap essence was proced 34x, all attacks and dot to do similriati dmg like this deto what has only 7 hits

bardx86

just do away with it and vigor but are sucking the life out of this game.

Feisty_Khajiit128

Nerf it! Nerf it! Nerf it into the ground.