Pvp demoralizes me

PhatGrimReaper

exeeter702 wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Sureshawt wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

AtellusCalidus wrote: »

Well the first step is to pump all your atts on HP.
And get plenty of potions + food buffs to go.

Try again when your HP are ~30k or so at least.

Hmmm..... not great advise.

You still want to be able to kill somebody. So long as you are using defensive buffs and have 23-25k HP, you're in a good place.

Actually he is right for this players vet rank and you are right once he reaches V16. Right now he needs to be tanky and play with groups to get the feel for the game. Living longer will allow him to do so while still contributing. The point is to learn survival first then get geared up at V16.

I would suggest all attributes into HP as well until you rank V16. Also put impenetrable and HP on all armor pieces. Don't worry about dealing DPS at this point. Use the time on the battlefield to observe the action and the tactics players are using. This is something can't do if you are dying too fast so beef up and live longer and learn more. Then apply what you have learned and make adjustments to gear/atrributes at V16.

Don't give up because PvP in this game can be a blast. Good luck!

If survival is the goal, then telling him to ignore stam & magicka is serving him up as an AP treat for anyone with half a clue. Health contributes very little to your survival in PVP atm. Stam for blocking, dodging, sprinting and abilities... magicka for buffs and healing are far more important to survival. There are one or two very niche builds that use a large health pool, but those builds rely on high end gear and many skill points/passives. As a stam build, max stam & stam recovery will contribute far more in terms of survival.

Furthermore, with the last batch of changes to battle levelling, the difference between a lowbie setup and a v16 setup is not all that different.....

My Sorc @ lvl40.... 3x Willpower, 3/4x Magnus, 5x Julianos.... all atts into Magicka + Tri food

Look familiar?.... that's because it's pretty much a standard setup..... Level doesn't really make too much difference anymore. What does make a difference is CP. If you aren't capped then you'd probably run seducer in place of Juli.

Why on earth would anyone bother trying to farm willpower at 40?

Also if you have to be in level appropriate gear to a T then why the hell even bother with trying to get bis and instead just get to v16 asap. People say Battle level is working as intended but why is it that a (new) low lvl character must be in full purples with specific accessory sets of which once you level up past them by 2 or 3 levels, you are gimped again....

Is battle leveling really only for high CP twinks Or am I missing something?

Battle levelling atm is OP in conjunction with capped CP at the moment. At level 40 with (almost - I wasn't making that S$%^ gold) min/max gear, I had better stats than most v16s...... 40k Max Magicka, 3400 Spell Damage, 2400 Magic Recovery.

Yes, he was a BWB twink (let the hate fly).

PS. I intend to make two more magicka toons who will be able to use this gear, so not a complete waste..... recycling is good for the environment after all.

Cogo

Gothlander wrote: »

So I'm a vr7 Imperial Stamplar with epic vr7 5 piece hundings rage and 4 nights silence. 5 medium and 2 heavy. Use 2h and sword and shield. I got all my points in stam and I do not last in pvp. I die so easy and fast and its making me not want to play eso. Is the only way to be good is to be vr16 with gold gear? If so, then that is really dumb. For people who love pvp, its like you have to reach vr16 to play pvp. You have to do pve from lvls 1-vr15 and then when you reach vr16 you can be good at pvp?

I don't like it one bit.

Um, battle leveling makes any level "just as good" as Vet 15-16 in both cyro and Imp city.

I don't like it, because there will be even more Vet 16 muppets who think the right gear will make them win.

I do enjoy My level 24 sorcerer in heavy with 2H, who one shots Vet 16 with overload ^^

The only way to get "good" is to get good. Gear and Vet 16 will only increase how good of a player you are.

If you want, you can do only Cyro and Imp city from level 10. The exp is idiotic in in PvP. I was healing with my level 42 nightblade healer in Imp city one evening. The damn Cat was level 47 when we left. Freaking annoying to loose a while zone just because you get so much exp in pvp.

You say so you die so fast and easy, which makes you not want to play ESO. Then asks if Vet 16 will make you better?

I am not trying to be rude, but it's your player skills that you need to improve. How you play.
I have been here since launch, and still find ways I can improve in Cyro.

I'll give you a tip regarding cyro. Every time you die, there is something you could have done to prevent it.
Let me guess, you always die when fighting close combat? Don't go close combat. Or go with a team that works together.

You can easily kill any Vet 16 with any level chars. The reason is how you do it. Not your class or character skills.

You charging 5 enemies, and expect to win? You can do that, but only with skill. No addon or vet rank will give you that .

Cogo

Oh btw, numbers fools you a bit. Yes, you do more damage, but if you focus on that, and not the level 10 DK with resto staff behind you, who debuffs you, your new stats dont mean much.

In cyro, you have to think warfare. That's where the real power comes from.

1v1 might seam cool, but gives you very little advantage in Cyro as whole.

Check this player guide for Cyro. Done by an awesome Cat called @DeanTheCat
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172558/surviving-cyrodiil-how-to-hopefully-die-less-often/p1

TheRubiksCube

Do you use food in pvp (I ask because you didn't mention)? If you don't, I'd recommend it since the stamina and health buff does make a difference when it comes to damage and survivability.

I can see why you would use 3-4 pieces of the night silence set since it gives you a bit of extra stamina and stam recovery, but personally I would use night mother's gaze set since it gives extra weapon damage and weapon crit.

I used to do mixed att, but was recommended to put all att into either magicka or stamina. Putting them all into one was something I noticed that did make a difference in how much damage I did, so I don't recommend doing mixed att.

Another thing you didn't mention was whether or not you put glyphs on your armor, so that's something to consider if you don't have. What comes to mind is max stamina and weapon damage glyphs.

What I heard one guy say he has for armor traits is 3 infused (head, chest, legs), 2 divine, and 2 impenetrable. That's a trait combo you could use for your build. I don't use this, but it does seem good and is something I would consider using.

Jewelry that gives you max stam and stam recov is something to have if you don't have it. I'm going for the agility set when I'm vr16.

I assume you're using a mundus stone that gives you max stam, stam recovery, or weapon damage. If not, consider one of them.

In the end, it really matters about skill (and to some extent champion points do matter). And you can really only get better by playing pvp more.

tennant94

You are vet 7 so you have played no where near as much as a lot of other players just play more you will get better.

exeeter702

Cogo wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

So I'm a vr7 Imperial Stamplar with epic vr7 5 piece hundings rage and 4 nights silence. 5 medium and 2 heavy. Use 2h and sword and shield. I got all my points in stam and I do not last in pvp. I die so easy and fast and its making me not want to play eso. Is the only way to be good is to be vr16 with gold gear? If so, then that is really dumb. For people who love pvp, its like you have to reach vr16 to play pvp. You have to do pve from lvls 1-vr15 and then when you reach vr16 you can be good at pvp?

I don't like it one bit.

Um, battle leveling makes any level "just as good" as Vet 15-16 in both cyro and Imp city.

I don't like it, because there will be even more Vet 16 muppets who think the right gear will make them win.

I do enjoy My level 24 sorcerer in heavy with 2H, who one shots Vet 16 with overload ^^

The only way to get "good" is to get good. Gear and Vet 16 will only increase how good of a player you are.

If you want, you can do only Cyro and Imp city from level 10. The exp is idiotic in in PvP. I was healing with my level 42 nightblade healer in Imp city one evening. The damn Cat was level 47 when we left. Freaking annoying to loose a while zone just because you get so much exp in pvp.

You say so you die so fast and easy, which makes you not want to play ESO. Then asks if Vet 16 will make you better?

I am not trying to be rude, but it's your player skills that you need to improve. How you play.
I have been here since launch, and still find ways I can improve in Cyro.

I'll give you a tip regarding cyro. Every time you die, there is something you could have done to prevent it.
Let me guess, you always die when fighting close combat? Don't go close combat. Or go with a team that works together.

You can easily kill any Vet 16 with any level chars. The reason is how you do it. Not your class or character skills.

You charging 5 enemies, and expect to win? You can do that, but only with skill. No addon or vet rank will give you that .

Your generalizations are doing no service here. There is a very real, very gross discrepancy between a lower level player without access to resources vs higher level players with access to near bis gear. Battle leveling only helps low level characters who have access to and can afford to keep up each and every level with purple gear / accessories. The regular players who understand and are knowledgeable in pvp that are leveling a character at a regular pace while trying to pvp whenever possible are at a real disadvantage.

Xeniph

Try checking out Sypher's Stamplar build.

Watch some of his gameplay and ability usage. Then adapt his build and gear towards your own play style and practice.

That should point you into the right direction.

yodased

Xeniph wrote: »

Try checking out Sypher's Stamplar build.

Watch some of his gameplay and ability usage. Then adapt his build and gear towards your own play style and practice.

That should point you into the right direction.

While I think there may be some merit in watching someone like Sypher play a build for anything other than entertainment, I can't agree on recommending any streamers build/gear loadout to any new/newish players.

These guys are at top of their game with BiS gear/501 champion points. They have countless hours building, testing and becoming these builds. They are specifically built around that streamers strengths, if that be @lefty_lucy resource management or @sypher situational/terrain awareness, these guys don't play around.

Strive to one day be on the same level as a a player, but using their builds even as a guide is dangerous to someone without their skill set.

Just my opinion of course, but I don't want someone to spend thousands upon thousands of gold or real life time to grind gear that doesn't help them.

Xeniph

yodased wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Try checking out Sypher's Stamplar build.

Watch some of his gameplay and ability usage. Then adapt his build and gear towards your own play style and practice.

That should point you into the right direction.

While I think there may be some merit in watching someone like Sypher play a build for anything other than entertainment, I can't agree on recommending any streamers build/gear loadout to any new/newish players.

These guys are at top of their game with BiS gear/501 champion points. They have countless hours building, testing and becoming these builds. They are specifically built around that streamers strengths, if that be @lefty_lucy resource management or @sypher situational/terrain awareness, these guys don't play around.

Strive to one day be on the same level as a a player, but using their builds even as a guide is dangerous to someone without their skill set.

Just my opinion of course, but I don't want someone to spend thousands upon thousands of gold or real life time to grind gear that doesn't help them.

For clueless people, it gives them insight and a direction to head. I also disagree that using people builds is dangerous. It's not like this game is complicated in any way.

There is no reason to fight a screw all day with your fingernail, when you have access to a screwdriver. Use the tools available and then adjust them to your needs.

Not to mention his Templar is like v3.

As a side note, there are very few "effective" ways to spec in pvp on all classes. None of these specs I have seen on any steams are any more geared/speced for themselves than other builds. It's all about what is the most effective set-up. In which case, every pvp should be shooting for that.

We really don't need anymore "Special Snowflakes" in pvp, too many as it is.

exeeter702

yodased wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Try checking out Sypher's Stamplar build.

Watch some of his gameplay and ability usage. Then adapt his build and gear towards your own play style and practice.

That should point you into the right direction.

While I think there may be some merit in watching someone like Sypher play a build for anything other than entertainment, I can't agree on recommending any streamers build/gear loadout to any new/newish players.

These guys are at top of their game with BiS gear/501 champion points. They have countless hours building, testing and becoming these builds. They are specifically built around that streamers strengths, if that be @lefty_lucy resource management or @sypher situational/terrain awareness, these guys don't play around.

Strive to one day be on the same level as a a player, but using their builds even as a guide is dangerous to someone without their skill set.

Just my opinion of course, but I don't want someone to spend thousands upon thousands of gold or real life time to grind gear that doesn't help them.

The first part yes, these guys have max CP and available resources to get any gear they need and turn it yellow. New players don't have that luxory of course.

As for everything else, I think you are being a little too sensational. There is definitely personal flavor to some set ups but for the most part there are only 12 skills to work with in a build with only so many variables. It is not a Longshot to point towards one of their builds as a foundation. It's all pretty straight forward and alot of people like to make this game out to be more in depth and complex than it really is.

DHale

Being vr 7 and flying solo on a stamlar in less than optimum gear. There are ppl who can pull it off but they have top end armor and weapons and almost 2 years of experience. Also not sure you have the regen to sustain fights in solo situations and assume you don't have a lot of cp. You should level to vr 16 first, get end game gear, join a guild, and start practicing. In that order. When you are on a second or third toon then AND only then you can play on a mid level vr toon and be effective. Also wearing heavy armor even 2 heavy is not effective without level 9 undaunted AND the skill points for it and heavy armor passives wear 5 1 1 would useful. I would stick with 7 medium all with Inpen to mitigate a little of the big shots you are taking currently i.e. Wrecking blow surprise attack to name a few.

Didgerion

Gothlander wrote: »

So I'm a vr7 Imperial Stamplar with epic vr7 5 piece hundings rage and 4 nights silence. 5 medium and 2 heavy. Use 2h and sword and shield. I got all my points in stam and I do not last in pvp. I die so easy and fast and its making me not want to play eso. Is the only way to be good is to be vr16 with gold gear? If so, then that is really dumb. For people who love pvp, its like you have to reach vr16 to play pvp. You have to do pve from lvls 1-vr15 and then when you reach vr16 you can be good at pvp?

I don't like it one bit.

No you don't need to be VR16, but you have to have your gear in gold version. (are you crazy enough to make your VR7 gear golden?)
So yeah reaching VR16 and making your gear golden at VR16 is the most reasonable way to do it (designed by ZOS).

Now if they would add a mechanism to upgrade your gear level then there would be a totally different story of when to golden up your gear.

And make sure that you have impenetrable traits on most of your set parts...critical hits are very painful in PVP.

Also keep in mind that in 3 months they will remove vet levels...so maybe you have just to take a short brake and come back later when you will be able to craft VR16 equivalent gear - save your morale you will need it.

Xeniph

Didgerion wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

So I'm a vr7 Imperial Stamplar with epic vr7 5 piece hundings rage and 4 nights silence. 5 medium and 2 heavy. Use 2h and sword and shield. I got all my points in stam and I do not last in pvp. I die so easy and fast and its making me not want to play eso. Is the only way to be good is to be vr16 with gold gear? If so, then that is really dumb. For people who love pvp, its like you have to reach vr16 to play pvp. You have to do pve from lvls 1-vr15 and then when you reach vr16 you can be good at pvp?

I don't like it one bit.

No you don't need to be VR16, but you have to have your gear in gold version. (are you crazy enough to make your VR7 gear golden?)
So yeah reaching VR16 and making your gear golden at VR16 is the most reasonable way to do it (designed by ZOS).

Now if they would add a mechanism to upgrade your gear level then there would be a totally different story of when to golden up your gear.

And make sure that you have impenetrable traits on most of your set parts...critical hits are very painful in PVP.

Also keep in mind that in 3 months they will remove vet levels...so maybe you have just to take a short brake and come back later when you will be able to craft VR16 equivalent gear - save your morale you will need it.

You don't need to make all your gear legendary. Purple will work just fine for all armor, however you will see a large difference between purple and legendary weapons.

But depending on how well you know your class and build, purple will work fine for weapons too. It will just be much better to upgrade them from there.

imredneckson

Gothlander wrote: »

So I'm a vr7 Imperial Stamplar with epic vr7 5 piece hundings rage and 4 nights silence. 5 medium and 2 heavy. Use 2h and sword and shield. I got all my points in stam and I do not last in pvp. I die so easy and fast and its making me not want to play eso. Is the only way to be good is to be vr16 with gold gear? If so, then that is really dumb. For people who love pvp, its like you have to reach vr16 to play pvp. You have to do pve from lvls 1-vr15 and then when you reach vr16 you can be good at pvp?

I don't like it one bit.

I bring my toons into AS when they first hit lvl 10. If you can run in a skilled group with TS and learn a few of the ins and outs you should pick up on how to fight and survive In PvP but be aware that you will die time after time. My total death since I've added kill counter ive died 750 times and have killed 6,975 that's not even 1 to 10 so my best advise I can give is look on YouTube and look for different builds and ask around in game for good PvP builds.

Docmandu

Leandor wrote: »

Try sets that give you sustain over pure damage. Try boosting your health a bit by moving points over from stamina. Use defensive abilities like elude {or whatever it's called, the medium armor active ability). Block hard-hitting attacks.

I currently play a V7 stam dk, puple stuff. Going with morkuldin/night mother's gaze over hunding/night's silence, I get by quite well.

Health is useless to invest in imho... considering you'll get hit for 4-5k easily by all the spamblades / stack sorcs out there, which means even heavily investing in health is just 1 second longer you'll live.

imredneckson

Docmandu wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Try sets that give you sustain over pure damage. Try boosting your health a bit by moving points over from stamina. Use defensive abilities like elude {or whatever it's called, the medium armor active ability). Block hard-hitting attacks.

I currently play a V7 stam dk, puple stuff. Going with morkuldin/night mother's gaze over hunding/night's silence, I get by quite well.

Health is useless to invest in imho... considering you'll get hit for 4-5k easily by all the spamblades / stack sorcs out there, which means even heavily investing in health is just 1 second longer you'll live.

Unless you can make a tank for 30k to 40k but then youre more likely to not deal much damage.

Edit: the lowest health you do want to have in PvP is 20k other wise someone like me will drop ya in 1 second

Hawco10

Repsec or get another char, spam wrecking blow, then get a buddy to spam proxy det and you'll be one of the top dogs before you know it

skarvika

Me too man. Welcome to the templar life.

Cody

Sureshawt wrote: »

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

AtellusCalidus wrote: »

Well the first step is to pump all your atts on HP.
And get plenty of potions + food buffs to go.

Try again when your HP are ~30k or so at least.

Hmmm..... not great advise.

You still want to be able to kill somebody. So long as you are using defensive buffs and have 23-25k HP, you're in a good place.

Actually he is right for this players vet rank and you are right once he reaches V16. Right now he needs to be tanky and play with groups to get the feel for the game. Living longer will allow him to do so while still contributing. The point is to learn survival first then get geared up at V16.

I would suggest all attributes into HP as well until you rank V16. Also put impenetrable and HP on all armor pieces. Don't worry about dealing DPS at this point. Use the time on the battlefield to observe the action and the tactics players are using. This is something can't do if you are dying too fast so beef up and live longer and learn more. Then apply what you have learned and make adjustments to gear/atrributes at V16.

Don't give up because PvP in this game can be a blast. Good luck!

terrible advice in my opinion unless you are actually looking to become a tank, but the overall point is correct. dont give up, find what works best for you and stick with it. Ignore FOTM specs, they will not make you good at the game, find a build of your own and you will get better.

acw37162

5 Hundings 4 night silence is a glass cannon build

Very little sustain and very little survive ability and as a Templar unless your a vamp no mobility.

And you made you VR7 gear gold tells me your either in game rich, have a friend who is in game rich, or don't realize you'll out pace your gear in under a week.

Try shuffle if you don't already it will help a little but not a lot.

PVP demorlizes me to but Mai my because broken *** is allowed to remain broken and a nice portion of the PVP community is just straight *** bags.