newb starting out

jimbob

Hey guys I'm brand new to this game so please go easy on me lol. I am mainly a pvp-type of person so I suspect that's what I'll be doing a lot of in this game. I just wanted to make sure I got off to the right start with my race/class/build, I was never the person that just auto picked the FOTM class, but there's a lot of choices in this game and I was worried that I'd level something up and find out that it's completely useless and have to restart. So I was wondering if anyone could at least give me an idea of what is viable, I catch on pretty fast and I'm not concerned with needing something that's easy, I enjoy a class with a high skill cap. I like being able to get better and actually see results from improved game play, but also don't want to be mad because my character flat out sucks.

Originally I was going to go with a NB with a bow/DW, but then thought I wanted something a little different/unique...
I was thinking of a heavy armor DK+destruction staff utilizing AOEs and close ranged attacks. OR
some sort of class that relies on melee weapons and spellcasting. A build that can throw heals around on the side while doing damage would be cool as well, basically just something along the lines of a melee spell caster or tanky class with a staff. A race to go along with whatever class/build would be helpful as well.

Any helpful feed back would be greatly appreciated, I know you guys can't pick my exact class, I just wanted to make sure I got off to the right start with some good ideas and didn't spend time leveling up something that would be useless in PvP.

thanks

Didgerion

That won't work.

Most probably you will have a unique build...but it will be among the weakest.

First of all as a new player you have a very limited number of options for builds that will help you be competitive in PVP battles...but they are far from being unique.

Second of all most probably the OP build that performs too well today won't work tomorrow.

And lastly just start playing the game and do mistakes...then fix them...that's the fun part.

imredneckson

jimbob wrote: »

Hey guys I'm brand new to this game so please go easy on me lol. I am mainly a pvp-type of person so I suspect that's what I'll be doing a lot of in this game. I just wanted to make sure I got off to the right start with my race/class/build, I was never the person that just auto picked the FOTM class, but there's a lot of choices in this game and I was worried that I'd level something up and find out that it's completely useless and have to restart. So I was wondering if anyone could at least give me an idea of what is viable, I catch on pretty fast and I'm not concerned with needing something that's easy, I enjoy a class with a high skill cap. I like being able to get better and actually see results from improved game play, but also don't want to be mad because my character flat out sucks.

Originally I was going to go with a NB with a bow/DW, but then thought I wanted something a little different/unique...
I was thinking of a heavy armor DK+destruction staff utilizing AOEs and close ranged attacks. OR
some sort of class that relies on melee weapons and spellcasting. A build that can throw heals around on the side while doing damage would be cool as well, basically just something along the lines of a melee spell caster or tanky class with a staff. A race to go along with whatever class/build would be helpful as well.

Any helpful feed back would be greatly appreciated, I know you guys can't pick my exact class, I just wanted to make sure I got off to the right start with some good ideas and didn't spend time leveling up something that would be useless in PvP.

thanks

For a magicka DK your best picks are either Dark Elf for more fire damage, max magicka, max stamina, and more protection vs fire attacks or High Elf for more magicka but little less fire damage than a Dark Elf and magicka recovery. WARNING: Magicka DKs are in a tuff spot right now in PvP thanks to ZOS nerfing them till they were 6 feet under. You can watch what they use to be on Youtube later and see how far we have fallen.

Now for your Stamina NB you can use Khajiit for health and stamina recovery, more damage from stealth and less detection radius, and lastly a higher crit chance which is bugged last I heard but the race is still a great pick. The other race is Wood Elf which have the highest stamina regen of any race (21%), more damage from stealth and a smaller detection radius, and poison/disease resistance with a little bit of max stamina added in. Both classes are good picks IMO.

jimbob

Fair enough, thanks. In that case does the race I pick matter much? Will it make or break my gameplay? Also I can always go back and reset my skill points and health/stam/magicka somehow right? In this case I guess I could just do whatever and fix it later on.

FlounderOG

Race won't make or break your build but will make it easier.

You can reset your skills and attribute points by purchasing redistribution scrolls with crowns from the crown store.

imredneckson

jimbob wrote: »

Fair enough, thanks. In that case does the race I pick matter much? Will it make or break my gameplay? Also I can always go back and reset my skill points and health/stam/magicka somehow right? In this case I guess I could just do whatever and fix it later on.

For PvP race does matter for builds. For instance you don't want to make a Breton stamina DK (it can be done) because none of the race bonuses will contribute to your build and other players who have stamina races (Redguard, Khajiit, Bosmer, Imperial, etc.) will have an advantage. For PvE race doesn't matter as much and either way you can play whatever you want so no it wont break your gameplay. Yes, you can reset you skill and attribute points whenever you want if you have the gold to spend.

jimbob

Okay cool, thanks for the info everyone

Angus

You sound like you'd enjoy a magicka Templar - fun melee skill with jabs, some are pretty tanky, and they've got great healing potential in the game.

Every few months things get buffed/nerfed/rebalanced, so I wouldn't worry too much about getting it perfect for a first character. Alts are easy to level up.

SneaK

A build that can throw heals around on the side while doing damage would be cool as well, basically just something along the lines of a melee spell caster or tanky class with a staff. A race to go along with whatever class/build would be helpful as well.

Forgive the suggestion, but what you described can be achieved via Magicka Templar. They have a good spammable melee ability, heals, and a few caster type of spells to throw. Can also wear heavy armor and use a staff, as they have enough class abilities they don't really rely too much on weapon abilities, such as a MagDK and a resto staff.

For the longest time I ran sword/board and a fire staff on my Temp.

Altmer would be top pick for this class, can also never go wrong with Imperial as extra health and stam are always beneficial.

jimbob

awesome, I might make a templar and try it out right now. I've wanted an argonian, but it's not so important I'd gimp myself to be one. How would they do as a templar? Is there a better class I could be with an argonian alt lol?

Also I feel like I'm doing something wrong leveling, seems to take so long to get a level in this game. Might just be that I'm screwing around a lot checking things out.

wayfarerx

jimbob wrote: »

awesome, I might make a templar and try it out right now. I've wanted an argonian, but it's not so important I'd gimp myself to be one. How would they do as a templar? Is there a better class I could be with an argonian alt lol?

Also I feel like I'm doing something wrong leveling, seems to take so long to get a level in this game. Might just be that I'm screwing around a lot checking things out.

I have an Argonian magicka templar healer, and though I may whine about the passives here on the forums every so often it's entirely viable, as much as any magicka templar is at least.

If you want to play as a lizard then go for it, Argonians are awesome.

jimbob

I've been wanting to play as a lizard since 3 years old haha

XpoZeD_GoD

Considering what you've said the class that best suits you is a Templar, as for race I'd recommend Breton, High Elf or Dark Elf, the reason I suggest Dark Elf is because if you don't want to play magicka based then you can respec to stamina more easily than any other race

jimbob

I was going to play a Dark Elf DK, wood elf NB, high elf sorc. and some sort of templar (kind of wanted to be a different race since I already have the high elf and dark elf) How does that sound?

Also as far as crafting goes, should I focus on certain crafting skills with different classes, or should I just level all the crafting skills on all my alts? I was thinking it'd be better splitting it up than just leveling all the crafting skills on all my alts, but i really have no idea. If that is the case what crafting skills best match each class?

Angus

jimbob wrote: »

I was going to play a Dark Elf DK, wood elf NB, high elf sorc. and some sort of templar (kind of wanted to be a different race since I already have the high elf and dark elf) How does that sound?

It's a good call. If a rebalance screws one of your toons over, you've still got others to play with till its fixed. Plus you'll get a better feel for the game playing all classes. Solid race choices too.

jimbob wrote: »

Also as far as crafting goes, should I focus on certain crafting skills with different classes, or should I just level all the crafting skills on all my alts? I was thinking it'd be better splitting it up than just leveling all the crafting skills on all my alts, but i really have no idea. If that is the case what crafting skills best match each class?

I did all crafting professions on one toon, there's pros and cons.

Doesn't matter which classes which profession goes on, although alchemy and provisioning give a (pretty negligible) boost to the toon through their passives.

Pros of single crafter:
- less inventory management / logging in and out on all your toons when you want to craft a new set of gear (it's a pain).
- When/if the day comes that you want to reroll your toons to a new alliance, race, whatever... You don't have to lose your crafting skills and research, just keep the one guy.

Cons:
- It'll take longer to do the researches, since you can't split them between toons (e.g you could do medium jack, pants, and boots to 9 traits on one toon, while simultaneously researching light robe, pants, and boots to 9 traits on another toon...)
- The one guy with all the crafting professions will be tight on skill points. There's enough that my v16 can have all the combat skills he needs plus all crafting professions, but just barely.

I'd recommend doing heavy and medium(or light) armor on one crafter, and weapons with light (or medium) armor on another crafter for the best of both worlds.

wayfarerx

jimbob wrote: »

Also as far as crafting goes, should I focus on certain crafting skills with different classes, or should I just level all the crafting skills on all my alts? I was thinking it'd be better splitting it up than just leveling all the crafting skills on all my alts, but i really have no idea. If that is the case what crafting skills best match each class?

You can split up crafting at the start to save on skill points, but be sure and pick a single character to do all your equipment crafting (blacksmith / clothier / woodworking) and get that character researching traits ASAP. The reason to keep these all on one character is because of motifs. Learning lots of motifs can get quite expensive (possibly even in real-world money), you DO NOT want to have to pay for the same motifs on multiple characters.

Angus

wayfarerx wrote: »

jimbob wrote: »

Also as far as crafting goes, should I focus on certain crafting skills with different classes, or should I just level all the crafting skills on all my alts? I was thinking it'd be better splitting it up than just leveling all the crafting skills on all my alts, but i really have no idea. If that is the case what crafting skills best match each class?

You can split up crafting at the start to save on skill points, but be sure and pick a single character to do all your equipment crafting (blacksmith / clothier / woodworking) and get that character researching traits ASAP. The reason to keep these all on one character is because of motifs. Learning lots of motifs can get quite expensive (possibly even in real-world money), you DO NOT want to have to pay for the same motifs on multiple characters.

Motifs are a very good point that I overlooked in my answer. Although, it takes seven months to research just clothing trait nine on one toon... you could probably earn enough while researching to buy two sets of motifs were you to split that research across two toons.

wayfarerx

Angus wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

jimbob wrote: »

Also as far as crafting goes, should I focus on certain crafting skills with different classes, or should I just level all the crafting skills on all my alts? I was thinking it'd be better splitting it up than just leveling all the crafting skills on all my alts, but i really have no idea. If that is the case what crafting skills best match each class?

You can split up crafting at the start to save on skill points, but be sure and pick a single character to do all your equipment crafting (blacksmith / clothier / woodworking) and get that character researching traits ASAP. The reason to keep these all on one character is because of motifs. Learning lots of motifs can get quite expensive (possibly even in real-world money), you DO NOT want to have to pay for the same motifs on multiple characters.

Motifs are a very good point that I overlooked in my answer. Although, it takes seven months to research just clothing trait nine on one toon... you could probably earn enough to buy two sets of motifs were you to split that research across two toons.

Agreed, if you have more money than patience then splitting the equipment crafts up between characters can be beneficial. However, I'm about a month out from having 9 traits in everything and almost every motif chapter learned on one character, it's a good place to end up

jimbob

Okay so let me get this straight I should pick one character to do blacksmithing/woodworking/clothing and then another to do the rest?

Is there a fast way to level you guys would recommend? Or just wonder around and do quests?

I wanted to have an alt of each race just because I think they're cool and I already have the others I'm working on: orc, argonian, and some sort of human maybe imperial? What would you guys say the best class to go along with each of these would be?

thanks so much, I really wasn't expecting so many replies and helpful people, making the game seem that much better.

wayfarerx

jimbob wrote: »

Okay so let me get this straight I should pick one character to do blacksmithing/woodworking/clothing and then another to do the rest?

I have one equipment crafter, one enchanter, one chef and one alchemist just to try and minimize the impact of spending skill points on crafting, but you can do it however you like.

jimbob wrote: »

Is there a fast way to level you guys would recommend? Or just wonder around and do quests?

If you're new to the game then don't rush it. It's a beautiful game with lots of great stories and quests.

jimbob wrote: »

I wanted to have an alt of each race just because I think they're cool and I already have the others I'm working on: orc, argonian, and some sort of human maybe imperial? What would you guys say the best class to go along with each of these would be?

There's no easy answer to "what class works best with this race?" Racial bonuses tend to favor magicka or stamina and will work better with builds focused on the specific resource, but each class can build for either resource so it's up to you.

Drakilian

A newbie getting into PvP?

May the eight have mercy on your soul.

Oh, and don't play a Magicka DK. Or a Templar.

imredneckson

Drakilian wrote: »

A newbie getting into PvP?

May the eight have mercy on your soul.

Oh, and don't play a Magicka DK. Or a Templar.

If he hooks up with a good group that has TS he should be fine after all we were all noobs once

Drakilian

imredneckson wrote: »

Drakilian wrote: »

A newbie getting into PvP?

May the eight have mercy on your soul.

Oh, and don't play a Magicka DK. Or a Templar.

If he hooks up with a good group that has TS he should be fine after all we were all noobs once

Most of us were noobs before the orsinium patch made good gear king.

I'm bringing a friend into the game and getting him into PvP and I refuse to let him into Cyrodill before I craft him some at-level purples with some nice enchants and jewelry. He'll still get wrecked but at least it'll just be because of CPs and lack of experience.

I can't imagine how horrible Cyrodill must be for a lone newbie right now.

Johngo0036

There are magicka DK's out there making it,

They are VERY difficult to play at the moment due to Zennimax's inability to balance classes properly,
So
the Magicka DK got nerfed to smitherines...

However there are some buffs coming our way,

Most Magicka DK's these days run with a Sword and shield on bar one and a Resto staff on bar 2 as the only healing ability we had is totally useless and zenni could just as well take it away and give us something else right now..

I actually have a VR6 Dk that i run with Destro staff and Sword and shield and in pve content i am doing just fine..
I know that in PVP i will really suffer however i have not tried since the release of orsinium...

The other option is a tank healer and here is where it can get interesting,
Run a magicka templar with sword and board and dual wield,
Templar ARE the best healing class in the game and dont need a resto staff... they have enough healing of their own..
Tank it up with 5 pce heavy gear(seducer) and the rest light,
I would envisage it as being a Paladin type class, in close quarters with enough heal and sustain..
I have a vr16 char that i am gearing up to this type of play..

Lifecode666

http://deltiasgaming.com/

Angus

Drakilian wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Drakilian wrote: »

A newbie getting into PvP?

May the eight have mercy on your soul.

Oh, and don't play a Magicka DK. Or a Templar.

If he hooks up with a good group that has TS he should be fine after all we were all noobs once

Most of us were noobs before the orsinium patch made good gear king.

I'm bringing a friend into the game and getting him into PvP and I refuse to let him into Cyrodill before I craft him some at-level purples with some nice enchants and jewelry. He'll still get wrecked but at least it'll just be because of CPs and lack of experience.

I can't imagine how horrible Cyrodill must be for a lone newbie right now.

If you're new and see this, don't be talked out PvP. For best results, do try to find a few other players or guild to learn and play with early on.

I have a friend who plays with me in BwB.

She's what you'd consider a very casual new player.

She did just fine at lvl 11 in her white gear and no jewelry. Didn't win any 1vX's, did kill a few other players, got ganked some, but had plenty of fun.

Drakilian

Your words hurt me Angus

Angus

Drakilian wrote: »

Your words hurt me Angus

True, my words were OP.

So I gave them the magicka DK nerf treatment.

jimbob

thanks guys *** actually made me a seducer/magnus set for my argonian templar. I'm okay with pvp being difficult i like the idea of working towards better gear/skill. I want to play my high elf sorc a lot as well, what kind of weapons should I roll with? i hear DW is best for spell dmg. I was just going to use my seducer set on both my temp and sorc, but what about my dk and nb as far as gear goes?

imredneckson

jimbob wrote: »

thanks guys *** actually made me a seducer/magnus set for my argonian templar. I'm okay with pvp being difficult i like the idea of working towards better gear/skill. I want to play my high elf sorc a lot as well, what kind of weapons should I roll with? i hear DW is best for spell dmg. I was just going to use my seducer set on both my temp and sorc, but what about my dk and nb as far as gear goes?

Magicka or stamina?

jimbob

Dunno why it starred your name out lol, but I guess it makes sense to use the set with my sorc/temp because they're magicka, wasn't thinking. Was going to roll stamina on my NB, not sure what do with DK yet.