How to play PVP- A beginner's guide

DaoFeiLung

Hi, some of you might be a little lost in Cyrodil, so here's what you gotta do:

1.Play stam. Maybe you will tell me "But I'm a high elf sorcerer". That's not relevant. Put all your caracs points in stam, no discussion. Your class, your race, is not important. Well, if you start now, better go imperial, but really, it doesn't make a big difference. Also dk is a little better because of wings, or nb if you like assassin's playstyle.

2. If it's not already done, level your 2h skill to 50. On your second skill set, you can take bow if you like to attack from distance, dual wield if you like aoe, or sb if you like a little more defense.
3. Go all medium armor, hunding rage, agility rings, molag kena, or any set with stam to complete the hunding+agility
4. Spam wrecking blow. It can seem hard to do at the beginning, but with a little practice you can hit everytime. For other skills, use the medium armor dodge skill, rally every few seconds, vigor if you have it, and the finisher 2h if you want, but wb does the trick anyway. And critical charge, to kill these op sorcerers, they will run out of mana with their streaks before you run out of stam ( if you re nb, ambush is better, and you can use suprise attack when you're bored of wrecking blows).
5. So what is a point having class skills, will you say? It's for cc of course! If you're sorcerer, use streak every 4 seconds, nb use fear, templar biting jabs, dk fossilize ( and wings if your opponent attacks you with staff or bow). Every class has also some kind of buffs for weapon damage or regen, but read your skills, i can't do everything for you. That's where race comes into play: as a high elf, maybe you won t have as much stam as your opponent, but you can use streak, wings or shadow cloak more, so the gameplay will be a tiny bit different but it will work out.
6. Learn anim cancellation. It's SKILL. In this game, skill is how well you can do the same thing exactly all the time. Not awareness, not adapting to the opponent, no. Skill is doing the same thing ALWAYS, as fast as possible. So train yourself in pve, to cut your wb with light attack, bashs ( bash works great!), and put in some dodgerolls in there. When you master your sequence, you don t even have to think anymore, just do it and your opponent will die.

Problem is, what do I do when the opponent do exactly the same? Well, that might happen often for sure. If you're more skilled than him ( meaning you anim cancel better, am I clear?), then no problem. But if you and your opponent are a little too close, and you're not sure to win, find a ZERG.

To be a good zergling, you have to use dual wield, and spam steel tornado. Good thing is, it's instant, you don't even have to anim cancel to do insane dps with it. Anyone knows how good steel tornado is, so I won't expand on it further. If you have not enough healers in your zerg, have several zerglings slot barrier, you will have a nice shield, with great weapon damage comes great shielding. And as everybody spam vigor, you will be fine.

Is it really that simple? Well, yes, but as i said, you have a choice on your secondary setup. You really like bow? Learn to do the snipe/heavy attack/silver shards combo from stealth and you will kill, I guarantee you. Sword and board is great for bashing endlessly, and you will break the cc without even thinking.

If you really really want to play magicka (meaning maybe you like to loose), either be a healer or find a deto/pulsar Zerg. It's not as powerful, but it's better than nothing.

Hope this helps, have fun in your clone wars!

leepalmer95

So magicka nb's/ sorc aren't strong?

Sounds like your a tiny bit salty here.

I'm going to put it up to a L2P issue as i can't be bothered reading the block of sarcasm.

DaoFeiLung

Oh they're kind of strong. But they're better in stam.

leepalmer95

DaoFeiLung wrote: »

Oh they're kind of strong. But they're better in stam.

stam builds got hit hard in 1.7 , wb is pretty easy to counter as well.

DaoFeiLung

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DaoFeiLung wrote: »

Oh they're kind of strong. But they're better in stam.

stam builds got hit hard in 1.7 , wb is pretty easy to counter as well.

Really? Why do I see everyday more and more stam dk and sorcs? Somebody should warn them they've been nerfed!

Sarcasm put aside, my point is, if you do what I said in my original post, you will do fine in pvp, whatever your class or race.

What magicka skill does same or more dmg than wb? Frag and overload maybe, which are easy to counter too.

What ranged magicka attack can do as well as bows' snipes or heavy attacks ( and don t forget silver shards and the ranged from dual wield, pretty decent)? Again, maybe frags or overload, besides that...

What aoe can even compare to steel tornado? Radius, finisher, amount of dmg...pulsar is smaller, no finisher, deto is only once every 8 sec...

What heals are better than rally and vigor? Ok, templar heals, the resto staff shield is ok ( but doesn t always go on you, and then there s shielbreaker...). GDB is a joke now

I'll admit magicka sorcs and nbs have better escape skills, so they can be a pain, but in no way they can hit as hard as stam builds. Ok, maybe a really well builded sorc...but at the very least, it's much easier to kill opponents when you're stam.

TheDarkShadow

This is one of those misleading threads.

If you're one of the new players (as not max level, no min-max gear, joining pvp for the first couple times), running around spamming WB only lead you to death. Pick up some healing or range dps, join a group, best is a small group of experient pvpers, but if you can't find a good guild willing to pick you up, join an Emp push group since they do more tactic than just stack up and ask you to spam 1 button like zerg farm. Stand back, heal people or dps from range, watch the battlefield, how the front line pushed back and forth, when to push, when to retreat (As a melee WB spammer, you would probably can't see the tide change and can't retreat in time). Listen to the leader, try to understand why he does something, learn from it and try to think if there is a better option. Why he go to keep X of the Red instead of Fort Y of the Blue, why he use 50/50 inner and outter siege, why he use meatball catapult, why he let them take that resource and hide in the tower, which keep is more important... Believe me, you'll learn a lot more than follow a zerg ball spamming 1 button or running around like a headless chicken spamming WB.

StoneSlayer

This whole post is a joke. One of the worst guides I have ever read. If you are looking at becoming a better player DO NOT follow any of this ***.

DaoFeiLung wrote: »

Hi, some of you might be a little lost in Cyrodil, so here's what you gotta do:

1.Play stam. Maybe you will tell me "But I'm a high elf sorcerer". That's not relevant. Put all your caracs points in stam, no discussion. Your class, your race, is not important. Well, if you start now, better go imperial, but really, it doesn't make a big difference. Also dk is a little better because of wings, or nb if you like assassin's playstyle.

First of all. This is one of the most *** things one can do. Honestly. If you are a High Elf Sorcerer. It would be completely *** to go full stamina points. You won't be nearly as strong as a Imperial Stamina DK/NB. I'm not saying it can't work, but for casual players you will be at an disadvantage. Also DO NOT pour all your attributes in stamina just because you're planning to build Stamina. Look and find out what you lack from, adapt. A minimun of 20k while in cyrodiil is almost a must. Anyway back to your "guide". Magicka builds aren't weak, they're good in certain situations just like stamina builds are. Sorcerer is probably the best magicka class at the moment. Insane damage and burst, never runs out of magicka unless you spam streak, shield stacking for days. The class with the most damage and highest survivability, as High Elf Sorcerer, DO NOT go stamina.

About you wrecking blow spamming, any decent player will know how to counter wrecking blow spammers. Especially people like you who have *** up builds with no damage/sustain are easily counterable. Sure Stam DK's with 2h/bow has to use WB as main DPS, but spamming it like you're saying, Will never work against a decent or better player.

The best tip i can give you in becoming a better player is seek what you lack when you die and adapt to it. Do not copy and paste any builds, look what fits you the best and what you find essential. Look for a main line with builds, but copying it wont make you better unless you know what you're doing with the set/ability setup.

Johngo0036

HAHAHAHA...... you guys are killing me,

He has a point though with the steel tornado/wrecking blow spammers,

I am a stamina NB and will not use either of those as i have a brain and like to use it,
3 guys spamming steel tornado, 2 healers, and the rest 2H wrecking blow specialists to finish off the rest,
Oh and may i add the the 2h wrecking blow specialists all target the same person incase them miss their combo.

YES Wrecking blow and Steel tornado spamming are OUT of control and need to be addressed,
They are the only 2 self buffing skills i know of in the game....

Alec508

DaoFeiLung wrote: »

Hi, some of you might be a little lost in Cyrodil, so here's what you gotta do:

1.Play stam. Maybe you will tell me "But I'm a high elf sorcerer". That's not relevant. Put all your caracs points in stam, no discussion. Your class, your race, is not important. Well, if you start now, better go imperial, but really, it doesn't make a big difference. Also dk is a little better because of wings, or nb if you like assassin's playstyle.

2. If it's not already done, level your 2h skill to 50. On your second skill set, you can take bow if you like to attack from distance, dual wield if you like aoe, or sb if you like a little more defense.
3. Go all medium armor, hunding rage, agility rings, molag kena, or any set with stam to complete the hunding+agility
4. Spam wrecking blow. It can seem hard to do at the beginning, but with a little practice you can hit everytime. For other skills, use the medium armor dodge skill, rally every few seconds, vigor if you have it, and the finisher 2h if you want, but wb does the trick anyway. And critical charge, to kill these op sorcerers, they will run out of mana with their streaks before you run out of stam ( if you re nb, ambush is better, and you can use suprise attack when you're bored of wrecking blows).
5. So what is a point having class skills, will you say? It's for cc of course! If you're sorcerer, use streak every 4 seconds, nb use fear, templar biting jabs, dk fossilize ( and wings if your opponent attacks you with staff or bow). Every class has also some kind of buffs for weapon damage or regen, but read your skills, i can't do everything for you. That's where race comes into play: as a high elf, maybe you won t have as much stam as your opponent, but you can use streak, wings or shadow cloak more, so the gameplay will be a tiny bit different but it will work out.
6. Learn anim cancellation. It's SKILL. In this game, skill is how well you can do the same thing exactly all the time. Not awareness, not adapting to the opponent, no. Skill is doing the same thing ALWAYS, as fast as possible. So train yourself in pve, to cut your wb with light attack, bashs ( bash works great!), and put in some dodgerolls in there. When you master your sequence, you don t even have to think anymore, just do it and your opponent will die.

Problem is, what do I do when the opponent do exactly the same? Well, that might happen often for sure. If you're more skilled than him ( meaning you anim cancel better, am I clear?), then no problem. But if you and your opponent are a little too close, and you're not sure to win, find a ZERG.

To be a good zergling, you have to use dual wield, and spam steel tornado. Good thing is, it's instant, you don't even have to anim cancel to do insane dps with it. Anyone knows how good steel tornado is, so I won't expand on it further. If you have not enough healers in your zerg, have several zerglings slot barrier, you will have a nice shield, with great weapon damage comes great shielding. And as everybody spam vigor, you will be fine.

Is it really that simple? Well, yes, but as i said, you have a choice on your secondary setup. You really like bow? Learn to do the snipe/heavy attack/silver shards combo from stealth and you will kill, I guarantee you. Sword and board is great for bashing endlessly, and you will break the cc without even thinking.

If you really really want to play magicka (meaning maybe you like to loose), either be a healer or find a deto/pulsar Zerg. It's not as powerful, but it's better than nothing.

Hope this helps, have fun in your clone wars!

Couldn't bother to read anymore after the first few sentences . "GO STAM AND GET WB"

My favorite part was "spamming wb might seem hard at first but it gets easier, it takes skill"
Hahahahahahahahaha

Wollust

If you follow this guide you'll be an easy kill.

Alucardo

7. When you get rekt, log onto forums and demand nerfs

Alec508

I would love to run into this clown on my magicka sorc and sweep his dead body with my broom

a1x23

Even though i complain about WB from time to time. Following this guide is a for sure way to get killed.

Xvorg

leepalmer95 wrote: »

DaoFeiLung wrote: »

Oh they're kind of strong. But they're better in stam.

What magicka skill does same or more dmg than wb? Frag and overload maybe, which are easy to counter too.

What ranged magicka attack can do as well as bows' snipes or heavy attacks ( and don t forget silver shards and the ranged from dual wield, pretty decent)? Again, maybe frags or overload, besides that...

What aoe can even compare to steel tornado? Radius, finisher, amount of dmg...pulsar is smaller, no finisher, deto is only once every 8 sec...

What heals are better than rally and vigor? Ok, templar heals, the resto staff shield is ok ( but doesn t always go on you, and then there s shielbreaker...). GDB is a joke now

.

1 and 2: Merciless resolve (assassin's will)
3- Sap esence. Spell dmg buff, heal and self heal, and nice dmg. Put a ST spammer agains a sap esence spammer and the later is going to kick ass
4- Sap esence and swallow soul/funnel health. Even a stam NB will consider swallow soul. Besides, they build ulti like insane