PvP Sorcs stack 3 shields?

Uberkull

Hardened Ward
Healing Ward
Dampen Magic

Are all three required for optimal pvp sorc shields?

Qyrk

Depends on the fight and who you're fighting. Not all sorcs shield stack to be viable in pvp (i.e. responding to your use of word 'required').

Ezareth

I have no problems using only Hardened Ward.

Dampen Magicka and Healing ward make you more survivable but limit your damage opportunities.

BigTone

It is not required to stack three shields. Instead use:

Hardened Ward
Annulment
Healing Ward
Bone Shield
Barrier

Then make sure you have champion points into the passive that grants damage shield when blocking and damage shield when drinking a potion and the one that gets you a shield when you rez.

Die on purpose, get rezzed, drink a potion, activated hardened, annulment, healing, bone shield, and barrier, then hit block. and just like that you have eight shields. THAT is viable sorc PvP.

Jade1986

They dont need 3 shields, hardened ward is already REALLY powerful. Compare it to the pitiful shields other classes get and it is downright godly.

Johngo0036

Hardened ward is a majorly strong shield.
Add to that harness magicka it just makes the shield sooooo much stronger.

Compared to other shields in the game they are godlike,

Wish that DK and templar shields would scale off the highest attribute..

olsborg

Shieldstacking is stupid, was so tired fighting 3x shields on 50% of pp I fought on my sorc that I now play stamina build only, atleast I dont have to deal with the stacking of dampen magicka + other shields.

WillhelmBlack

I have problems breaking through just one shield, Puncturing Sweeps is supposed to do more damage against them but it doesn't at all. I can run people completely out of stamina but if they have a shield active or have one casted on them that's it. All that effort for naught.

Septimus_Magna

Hardened Ward + Healing Ward is usually more than enough.

Adding Harness is useful against Overload spamming sorcs though.

RoamingRiverElk

For optimal yes, if you think about shields alone... If you use harness magicka, you are less vulnerable to magicka burst, but it's possible to play without harness magicka. Harness magicka also helps with magicka management, but that's another thing that can be achieved by other means. Not using it frees up a slot for another useful skill.

SemiD4rkness

Stack as many as you want as long as im wearing my shieldbreaker 5 pieces

RoamingRiverElk

Fights against shieldbreaker users are usually delicious 1 vs 1. ^^ (or when you can get a bit of a break from the others fighting you and you can focus on that bow light attack spammer)

SemiD4rkness

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

Fights against shieldbreaker users are usually delicious 1 vs 1. ^^ (or when you can get a bit of a break from the others fighting you and you can focus on that bow light attack spammer)

Until you meet someone using that set who can actually play ^^ (cc, dodge, heal) and not just light attack

Lucky28

I mostly only use hardened ward, occasionally i will use harness as well depending on who i'm up against (or when my battle spirit decides to break) but for the most part i am okay with just Hardened.

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

Fights against shieldbreaker users are usually delicious 1 vs 1. ^^ (or when you can get a bit of a break from the others fighting you and you can focus on that bow light attack spammer)

Until you meet someone using that set who can actually play ^^ (cc, dodge, heal) and not just light attack

or you know just kite the shieldbreaker around a Rock so they can never deal enough damage to kill you. did something similar with Ali Sabre once, it was funny.

SemiD4rkness

Lucky28 wrote: »

I mostly only use hardened ward, occasionally i will use harness as well depending on who i'm up against (or when my battle spirit decides to break) but for the most part i am okay with just Hardened.

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

Fights against shieldbreaker users are usually delicious 1 vs 1. ^^ (or when you can get a bit of a break from the others fighting you and you can focus on that bow light attack spammer)

Until you meet someone using that set who can actually play ^^ (cc, dodge, heal) and not just light attack

or you know just kite the shieldbreaker around a Rock so they can never deal enough damage to kill you. did something similar with Ali Sabre once, it was funny.

Then you can't kill me either so i'll wait at the other side of the rock haha

Suddenly a stamblade shows up and *** us both rofl

Lexxypwns

tbh, given the gross stamina vs magika damage unbalance, I only slot Harness/Dampen magika for playing with/against bomb groups, in open world I don't encounter enough tough magika builds to burst hardened + healing ward to be worth using up the slot. If I'm running overload for 3rd bar I'll usually put harness and hardened ward on it, since healing ward isn't available

Edit: Also, shieldbreaker is a joke, as long as the sorc is somewhat aware of what's going on around them they're gonna burst you down long before you can kill them, it only becomes effective when there are multiple people using it imo, and even then, if you kite and LoS carefully you can mitigate almost all of it, given that sorc burst is based on timing skills with delays to hit at the same time they have a HUGE advantage against kited opponents

SturgeHammer

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

Fights against shieldbreaker users are usually delicious 1 vs 1. ^^ (or when you can get a bit of a break from the others fighting you and you can focus on that bow light attack spammer)

Until you meet someone using that set who can actually play ^^ (cc, dodge, heal) and not just light attack

Yeah, contrary to popular belief, light attack spam with SB doesn't really work that well. I've found that SB is significantly more valuable as a 2~3 light attack execute after getting in a few big hits in. Letting an enemy (not just sorcs) know you have it too early is the actually the worst because they'll start playing around it.

FriedEggSandwich

Hardened and healing are enough against most players, I no longer slot harness. I wear 2 pieces of heavy armour and buff-up with boundless storm to make up for it somewhat. I mostly use hardened ward during a fight, healing ward is just a burst heal for emergencies, you don't actually want it to absorb any damage because then it heals for less. I cast it when low health and then cast hardened over it to protect it from damage, then 6 seconds later get a juicy heal. This strategy is hard-countered by shieldbreaker though, but that can be countered with a few dodge-rolls.

Rylana

Hardened Ward is the only shield a sorc really "needs".

If you dont have a healer, or are going to spec for offheals, healing ward will save you in a pinch usually.

Harness/Dampen will just get you killed via shieldbreaker, due to its very long duration, and you get no return vs physical attacks anyway.


Been a long long time since I slotted all three. Usually run with the first two because I offheal my group with wards.

Rylana

Lexxypwns wrote: »

tbh, given the gross stamina vs magika damage unbalance, I only slot Harness/Dampen magika for playing with/against bomb groups, in open world I don't encounter enough tough magika builds to burst hardened + healing ward to be worth using up the slot. If I'm running overload for 3rd bar I'll usually put harness and hardened ward on it, since healing ward isn't available

Edit: Also, shieldbreaker is a joke, as long as the sorc is somewhat aware of what's going on around them they're gonna burst you down long before you can kill them, it only becomes effective when there are multiple people using it imo, and even then, if you kite and LoS carefully you can mitigate almost all of it, given that sorc burst is based on timing skills with delays to hit at the same time they have a HUGE advantage against kited opponents

Yeah but if youre rolling around with harness on, and are getting SB procced on, theres no way to shut it off or get anything back from it.

At least hardened and healing ablate from it, harness just stays up stupidly.

Lexxypwns

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

Fights against shieldbreaker users are usually delicious 1 vs 1. ^^ (or when you can get a bit of a break from the others fighting you and you can focus on that bow light attack spammer)

Until you meet someone using that set who can actually play ^^ (cc, dodge, heal) and not just light attack

no amount of this is going to matter, shieldbreaker is total and absolute garbage against a good sorc, all your dodging, CC, and heal and you're still gonna have infinitely less dps and burst than said sorc, all it takes is 1 curse,frags,db to kill any stam build.

Rylana wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

tbh, given the gross stamina vs magika damage unbalance, I only slot Harness/Dampen magika for playing with/against bomb groups, in open world I don't encounter enough tough magika builds to burst hardened + healing ward to be worth using up the slot. If I'm running overload for 3rd bar I'll usually put harness and hardened ward on it, since healing ward isn't available

Edit: Also, shieldbreaker is a joke, as long as the sorc is somewhat aware of what's going on around them they're gonna burst you down long before you can kill them, it only becomes effective when there are multiple people using it imo, and even then, if you kite and LoS carefully you can mitigate almost all of it, given that sorc burst is based on timing skills with delays to hit at the same time they have a HUGE advantage against kited opponents

Yeah but if youre rolling around with harness on, and are getting SB procced on, theres no way to shut it off or get anything back from it.

At least hardened and healing ablate from it, harness just stays up stupidly.

You don't need any return from harness against SB, not having shields up against SB users is actually worse than having them up, since with shields up they can only do very minimal direct health damage, SB doesn't become strong until its couple with other burst that you have to start stacking shields to mitigate, which is why being clever with LoS is so crucial, fortunately stam builds can't run that 5 pc hundings with SB so they lose out on a significant amount of burst.

As was stated previously, SB is actually most effective when it catches someone by surprise, nobody is dying to it when they know what's going on, nobody good at least

SemiD4rkness

Lexxypwns wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

Fights against shieldbreaker users are usually delicious 1 vs 1. ^^ (or when you can get a bit of a break from the others fighting you and you can focus on that bow light attack spammer)

Until you meet someone using that set who can actually play ^^ (cc, dodge, heal) and not just light attack

no amount of this is going to matter, shieldbreaker is total and absolute garbage against a good sorc, all your dodging, CC, and heal and you're still gonna have infinitely less dps and burst than said sorc, all it takes is 1 curse,frags,db to kill any stam build.

Rylana wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

tbh, given the gross stamina vs magika damage unbalance, I only slot Harness/Dampen magika for playing with/against bomb groups, in open world I don't encounter enough tough magika builds to burst hardened + healing ward to be worth using up the slot. If I'm running overload for 3rd bar I'll usually put harness and hardened ward on it, since healing ward isn't available

Edit: Also, shieldbreaker is a joke, as long as the sorc is somewhat aware of what's going on around them they're gonna burst you down long before you can kill them, it only becomes effective when there are multiple people using it imo, and even then, if you kite and LoS carefully you can mitigate almost all of it, given that sorc burst is based on timing skills with delays to hit at the same time they have a HUGE advantage against kited opponents

Yeah but if youre rolling around with harness on, and are getting SB procced on, theres no way to shut it off or get anything back from it.

At least hardened and healing ablate from it, harness just stays up stupidly.

You don't need any return from harness against SB, not having shields up against SB users is actually worse than having them up, since with shields up they can only do very minimal direct health damage, SB doesn't become strong until its couple with other burst that you have to start stacking shields to mitigate, which is why being clever with LoS is so crucial, fortunately stam builds can't run that 5 pc hundings with SB so they lose out on a significant amount of burst.

As was stated previously, SB is actually most effective when it catches someone by surprise, nobody is dying to it when they know what's going on, nobody good at least

Keep telling yourself that. Ofc a good sorc will own any bad stam user wearing sb or not. Now a good Sorc vs a GOOD shieldbreaker user will lose. Last EU dueling tournament proves im right.

Rylana

Lexxypwns wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

Fights against shieldbreaker users are usually delicious 1 vs 1. ^^ (or when you can get a bit of a break from the others fighting you and you can focus on that bow light attack spammer)

Until you meet someone using that set who can actually play ^^ (cc, dodge, heal) and not just light attack

no amount of this is going to matter, shieldbreaker is total and absolute garbage against a good sorc, all your dodging, CC, and heal and you're still gonna have infinitely less dps and burst than said sorc, all it takes is 1 curse,frags,db to kill any stam build.

Rylana wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

tbh, given the gross stamina vs magika damage unbalance, I only slot Harness/Dampen magika for playing with/against bomb groups, in open world I don't encounter enough tough magika builds to burst hardened + healing ward to be worth using up the slot. If I'm running overload for 3rd bar I'll usually put harness and hardened ward on it, since healing ward isn't available

Edit: Also, shieldbreaker is a joke, as long as the sorc is somewhat aware of what's going on around them they're gonna burst you down long before you can kill them, it only becomes effective when there are multiple people using it imo, and even then, if you kite and LoS carefully you can mitigate almost all of it, given that sorc burst is based on timing skills with delays to hit at the same time they have a HUGE advantage against kited opponents

Yeah but if youre rolling around with harness on, and are getting SB procced on, theres no way to shut it off or get anything back from it.

At least hardened and healing ablate from it, harness just stays up stupidly.

You don't need any return from harness against SB, not having shields up against SB users is actually worse than having them up, since with shields up they can only do very minimal direct health damage, SB doesn't become strong until its couple with other burst that you have to start stacking shields to mitigate, which is why being clever with LoS is so crucial, fortunately stam builds can't run that 5 pc hundings with SB so they lose out on a significant amount of burst.

As was stated previously, SB is actually most effective when it catches someone by surprise, nobody is dying to it when they know what's going on, nobody good at least

Well typically those people having to ask if all PvP sorcs need to stack three shields are probably the ones that would get caught out if they played one, if ya know what I am saying.

Kyoma

Hmmm, I wonder, should spell penetration maybe be more effective on shields? Like, deal bonus damage to the shield.

Makkir

I have found trying to refresh 3 shield stacks just keeps you on the defensive. Right now, for me anyway, in a 1v1 scenario it's kind of a race to see who puts who on the defense first.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

I prefer lightning form with the speed boost

ToRelax

Makkir wrote: »

I have found trying to refresh 3 shield stacks just keeps you on the defensive. Right now, for me anyway, in a 1v1 scenario it's kind of a race to see who puts who on the defense first.

Using at least Hardened Ward on your offensive bar makes staying on the offensive much easier.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

Fights against shieldbreaker users are usually delicious 1 vs 1. ^^ (or when you can get a bit of a break from the others fighting you and you can focus on that bow light attack spammer)

Until you meet someone using that set who can actually play ^^ (cc, dodge, heal) and not just light attack

no amount of this is going to matter, shieldbreaker is total and absolute garbage against a good sorc, all your dodging, CC, and heal and you're still gonna have infinitely less dps and burst than said sorc, all it takes is 1 curse,frags,db to kill any stam build.

Rylana wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

tbh, given the gross stamina vs magika damage unbalance, I only slot Harness/Dampen magika for playing with/against bomb groups, in open world I don't encounter enough tough magika builds to burst hardened + healing ward to be worth using up the slot. If I'm running overload for 3rd bar I'll usually put harness and hardened ward on it, since healing ward isn't available

Edit: Also, shieldbreaker is a joke, as long as the sorc is somewhat aware of what's going on around them they're gonna burst you down long before you can kill them, it only becomes effective when there are multiple people using it imo, and even then, if you kite and LoS carefully you can mitigate almost all of it, given that sorc burst is based on timing skills with delays to hit at the same time they have a HUGE advantage against kited opponents

Yeah but if youre rolling around with harness on, and are getting SB procced on, theres no way to shut it off or get anything back from it.

At least hardened and healing ablate from it, harness just stays up stupidly.

You don't need any return from harness against SB, not having shields up against SB users is actually worse than having them up, since with shields up they can only do very minimal direct health damage, SB doesn't become strong until its couple with other burst that you have to start stacking shields to mitigate, which is why being clever with LoS is so crucial, fortunately stam builds can't run that 5 pc hundings with SB so they lose out on a significant amount of burst.

As was stated previously, SB is actually most effective when it catches someone by surprise, nobody is dying to it when they know what's going on, nobody good at least

Dies do Curse + Frags + Dawnbreaker. Has the audacity to say a Sorc dieing to a Shieldbreaker user is bad.

k2blader

Do people have a problem with one ~8k shield?