We need small scale.

kfronckowiak

Well most hardcore pvp are sick of the lag. We need small scale battles like arena or battleground 3v3 or 5v5. Your killing your own game by making people go play cyrolag. Pve is boring without a trial and pvp is dead from lag.

Diozaels

Atleast some battlegrounds with 8v8+ to transition everyone into arenas.

TheRubiksCube

I personally think they should've added an arena battleground that allowed 1v1s or small group PVP in the IC DLC, but yeah adding an arena of some sort let's say in Craglorn that allowed duels or small battles between other alliances or other groups in your alliance should be a thing in this game.

altemriel

yes!!!

Jitterbug

I'm thinking instanced versions of portions of Cyrodiil (like the villages) that have some minor influence on the war effort.
XvXvX could play some form of Capture the Town in which a victory would grant their alliance some minor resource, like a low % AP gain or something.

Turelus

There are entire player guilds set up around this and a massive open PvP world where you could arrange it. including several dead campaigns owned entirely by one faction.

While I am not against ZOS implementing arenas, this is something which can already be achieved by players within the game. Someone could even start an entire website/community based on the idea.

This is how things happen on EVE Online within a sandbox which doesn't have arenas.

I55UE5

I think small scale objective battlegrounds would work great for ESO.

The main argument against small scale PvP is the balance issues that would be noticed in the more personal fights. Which is a legitimate concern, that I do not disagree with.

Though I believe ZOS, with our help, could create something truly fun regardless of slight balance issues.

We have seen power pickup mechanics work with Maelstrom Arena. These are just one example of something they could implement to counter slight balance issues.

ZOS knows players want small scale and no horse ride to fight options. Hoping I don't have to wait too long to see it happen.

Docmandu

No

Alucardo

Docmandu wrote: »

No

Yes

zyvoloskitub17_ESO

Docmandu wrote: »

No

Alucardo wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

No

Yes

Maybe

Skinzz

Thanks for the millionth topic about small scale pvp.

Alucardo

xskinzcity wrote: »

Thanks for the millionth topic about small scale pvp.

Thanks for the millionth useless comment

Tankqull

its a type of sandbox -> coordinate yourself.

Derra

Tankqull wrote: »

its a type of sandbox -> coordinate yourself.

Though you know better than this. People are too lazy and have no frustration tolerance. Everyone i meet outside of big zergs nowadays i know by name already. Most of them are gankbuilds.

This games biggest hinderence for smallscale pvp is the stealth system. If you don´t find yourself in an advantageous situation the enemy will most likely never see you - thats on of the core problems.

Xvorg

Derra wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

its a type of sandbox -> coordinate yourself.

Though you know better than this. People are too lazy and have no frustration tolerance. Everyone i meet outside of big zergs nowadays i know by name already. Most of them are gankbuilds.

This games biggest hinderence for smallscale pvp is the stealth system. If you don´t find yourself in an advantageous situation the enemy will most likely never see you - thats on of the core problems.

Did you ever tried to go on stealth in Oblivion while fighting in the arena? It was pointless

Give dark cloack a cooldown in those instances and forbid pots, that's all.

Derra

Xvorg wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

its a type of sandbox -> coordinate yourself.

Though you know better than this. People are too lazy and have no frustration tolerance. Everyone i meet outside of big zergs nowadays i know by name already. Most of them are gankbuilds.

This games biggest hinderence for smallscale pvp is the stealth system. If you don´t find yourself in an advantageous situation the enemy will most likely never see you - thats on of the core problems.

Did you ever tried to go on stealth in Oblivion while fighting in the arena? It was pointless

Give dark cloack a cooldown in those instances and forbid pots, that's all.

What? Did you read what comment i replied to?

I tried to give hints why enjoyable smallscale pvp is not happening in cyrodiil and therefor either mechanics need to change or some form of structured pvp is needed...

roigseguib16_ESO

I think that PvP needs to evolve at the moment. The game mechanics are great, so through using that mechanics to develop (maybe) a new PvP Zone or investing in the Imperial City to make Arenas or Battlegrounds happen it could be nice.

Xvorg

Derra wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

its a type of sandbox -> coordinate yourself.

Though you know better than this. People are too lazy and have no frustration tolerance. Everyone i meet outside of big zergs nowadays i know by name already. Most of them are gankbuilds.

This games biggest hinderence for smallscale pvp is the stealth system. If you don´t find yourself in an advantageous situation the enemy will most likely never see you - thats on of the core problems.

Did you ever tried to go on stealth in Oblivion while fighting in the arena? It was pointless

Give dark cloack a cooldown in those instances and forbid pots, that's all.

What? Did you read what comment i replied to?

I tried to give hints why enjoyable smallscale pvp is not happening in cyrodiil and therefor either mechanics need to change or some form of structured pvp is needed...

Ok, I read it the way around, like "ZoS don't want smal scale PvP because of the stealth mechanics in those instances..,"

blur

kfronckowiak wrote: »

Well most hardcore pvp are sick of the lag. We need small scale battles like arena or battleground 3v3 or 5v5. Your killing your own game by making people go play cyrolag. Pve is boring without a trial and pvp is dead from lag.

Actually I and many others disagree. While a way to duel someone might be useful, "arenas" would ruin the PvP of this game as most people would abandon Cyrodiil for the safety of arena. Battlegrounds and Arenas (consensual PvP) ruined world / massive PvP for several MMOs including WoW.

In fact it's safe to say many people got this game and continued to play this game simply because of 2 main features: No skill cooldowns and wide open massive PvP. In every other MMO PvP is pretty much the same thing. If I wanted an arena feature I would go sub to WoW.

CJohnson81

Good luck with loading screens during matchmaking for arenas, etc.

kfronckowiak

Lol Zos will never implement small scale anyway because it would force them to balance the classes. Same thing happened in wow but you need it because cyrodil is just lag and you literally have everh campaign always controlled by one side. What is the fun in engaging in a fight in which you lose every time?

kfronckowiak

I guess what I'm saying is do you as an individual feel like you impact cyrodil? No that's why we need a small scale battle. I understand it causes people to complain and ultimately classes will be nerfed and buffed but you also need that.

blur

kfronckowiak wrote: »

Lol Zos will never implement small scale anyway because it would force them to balance the classes. Same thing happened in wow but you need it because cyrodil is just lag and you literally have everh campaign always controlled by one side. What is the fun in engaging in a fight in which you lose every time?

Actually class-based systems balance are a huge failure in every MMO since EQ. Not one single class-based game has ever achieved "balance." Nerfing just leads to more nerfing and people (since WoW) have found the easiest way to get something nerfed is to whine endlessly (even if predicated on falsehood).

Outside of lag and the poor coding of this game, I can't agree with you about "losing every time." Yesterday I went 57/2 before I finally logged for the day. Moreover while on the topic of lag and performance issues, Cyrodiil is not the only place where the game is screwed up. There are tons of bugs and problems throughout Tamriel where players randomly crash for moving through a particular area. There are tons of threads dating back to April 2014 stating as much. It wasn't until around IC (v2.1) that they put something in that made you freeze up and recover instead of exe error crashing.

kfronckowiak wrote: »

I guess what I'm saying is do you as an individual feel like you impact cyrodil? No that's why we need a small scale battle. I understand it causes people to complain and ultimately classes will be nerfed and buffed but you also need that.

Actually I do feel like an individual.
To quote @Xael "I might be solo, but for every turd I kill, that's one less that makes it to the zerg. I fight the good fight."

I know Sunshine, Kutsuu, Fengrush and just about every single solo pvper out there shares these sentiments. If you truly think solo waylay mobile skirmishers are not pivotal in turning the tide by cutting off reinforcements or misdirection, you are mistaken.

/Fighting the good fight

kfronckowiak

Lol have fun "misdirecting" 3 people as the other 30 take the keep then.

_adhyffbjjjf12

The answer to the problem of lag OP is not to replace the gameplay that makes eso different from every other avg MMO, it is to fix the lag, it's really that simple, and it looks as if the game engine may well be the root problem.

kfronckowiak

And before you throw out anymore names do some research?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p9RxG8kM1n4

blur

kfronckowiak wrote: »

And before you throw out anymore names do some research?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p9RxG8kM1n4

you mean because sypher (who I don't agree with) and Richard want the "wow experience"? So *** what. Those guys don't represent the bulk of pvpers let alone the top tier. They are just the most popular because of fanboys who can't think for themselves need an icon to follow or are entertained by their videos. Not to take anything away from Richard or Lefty, both are good and I very much enjoy lefties old videos. More importantly I did not name them (Lefty, Richard, and Sypher). So how about you learn to read before you incorrectly respond.

kfronckowiak

Fengrush whom you cited in your post supports arena 3 or 4 times in this?

blur

kfronckowiak wrote: »

Fengrush whom you cited in your post supports arena 3 or 4 times in this?

Fengrush just said on his stream the other night he would rather them fix Cyrodiil then add a wow arena system.

kfronckowiak

It wouldn't be a wow arena system because this is eso?

Derra

Xvorg wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

its a type of sandbox -> coordinate yourself.

Though you know better than this. People are too lazy and have no frustration tolerance. Everyone i meet outside of big zergs nowadays i know by name already. Most of them are gankbuilds.

This games biggest hinderence for smallscale pvp is the stealth system. If you don´t find yourself in an advantageous situation the enemy will most likely never see you - thats on of the core problems.

Did you ever tried to go on stealth in Oblivion while fighting in the arena? It was pointless

Give dark cloack a cooldown in those instances and forbid pots, that's all.

What? Did you read what comment i replied to?

I tried to give hints why enjoyable smallscale pvp is not happening in cyrodiil and therefor either mechanics need to change or some form of structured pvp is needed...

Ok, I read it the way around, like "ZoS don't want smal scale PvP because of the stealth mechanics in those instances..,"

Sry the forum gets me sometimes!

I feel instanced/arena pvp is the only pvp where esos stealth mechanics are not entirely out of place as they could be circumvented by objectives (or small map).