Best Race/Class Combos for PVP

Strider_Roshin

dday3six wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

The main point I'm trying to emphasize is that Imperials, Bosmers, and Redguards would be a little better of a choice than a Nord for DPS in PvE. In PvP however, I'd rather have a Nord.

At this point I think you chose a Nord because you wanted to chose a Nord.There is nothing wrong with that. It get that you want to go against the grain but trying to pass of the difference between a Nord vs a Redguard or Imperial as little in PVE is incorrect. The dps difference hovers at about 12%.

Nevertheless I find it bewildering that you can claim the damage from light attacks is insignificant when I'd wager that you don't even know the average damage they deal.

Currently, no. Before IC they were doing around 2k per so I would wager around 3k now. I haven't tested it in a while to be honest.

zornyan

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

We compare the strength of our Surprise Attack since its the primary single target move we use. And just to clarify, in PvE the damage mitigation isn't that huge. Relatively speaking however; that 6% is more like 12% since damage is cut in half in PvP. As far as the health recovery goes; with most fights it's not necessary. When I'm doing 1vX it's excellent for maintaining my health, and against exceptionally good PvPers it could mean the difference between winning and losing.

I find health recovery not that great, for the gear you have to use to get any sort of health recovery, you lose out in other areas.

Say you had 3k recovery, so 3k every 2 seconds.

In 2 seconds I would use something like

Dark flare 10k hit
Light attack 2k hit
Toppling charge 5k hit

You would get one tick, before I use sweeps or something else for another 10k odd damage.

Or in another scenario, because you've given up damage, one of my breath of life heals for 18k in pvp. So it would take you 12 seconds to get what another class could do in one

Just can't see health recovery as any use, stacking more in stam or mag would give far more healing effectiveness

Don't forget that his imperial will have more health than you to start with, plus his melee attacks can heal him too.

Strider_Roshin

zornyan wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

We compare the strength of our Surprise Attack since its the primary single target move we use. And just to clarify, in PvE the damage mitigation isn't that huge. Relatively speaking however; that 6% is more like 12% since damage is cut in half in PvP. As far as the health recovery goes; with most fights it's not necessary. When I'm doing 1vX it's excellent for maintaining my health, and against exceptionally good PvPers it could mean the difference between winning and losing.

I find health recovery not that great, for the gear you have to use to get any sort of health recovery, you lose out in other areas.

Say you had 3k recovery, so 3k every 2 seconds.

In 2 seconds I would use something like

Dark flare 10k hit
Light attack 2k hit
Toppling charge 5k hit

You would get one tick, before I use sweeps or something else for another 10k odd damage.

Or in another scenario, because you've given up damage, one of my breath of life heals for 18k in pvp. So it would take you 12 seconds to get what another class could do in one

Just can't see health recovery as any use, stacking more in stam or mag would give far more healing effectiveness

Don't forget that his imperial will have more health than you to start with, plus his melee attacks can heal him too.

In PvP we kill opponents just as fast, the only difference is that I can take on and kill more opponents by myself than he can. On top of that he is more susceptible to getting killed by hard hitters than I am. You guys can theory craft all you want. Both of us have seen the difference, as have my enemies. So much so that more and more Nord Nightblade have been appearing completely due to my influence. Trust me, in PvP my 6% damage mitigation completely outweighs 10% more stamina.

dday3six

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

The main point I'm trying to emphasize is that Imperials, Bosmers, and Redguards would be a little better of a choice than a Nord for DPS in PvE. In PvP however, I'd rather have a Nord.

At this point I think you chose a Nord because you wanted to chose a Nord.There is nothing wrong with that. It get that you want to go against the grain but trying to pass of the difference between a Nord vs a Redguard or Imperial as little in PVE is incorrect. The dps difference hovers at about 12%.

Nevertheless I find it bewildering that you can claim the damage from light attacks is insignificant when I'd wager that you don't even know the average damage they deal.

Currently, no. Before IC they were doing around 2k per so I would wager around 3k now. I haven't tested it in a while to be honest.

Unlikely without drastically increasing your weapon damage, stamina and cp. Before IC there was only a 25% damage reduction in Cryodiil. It has since been increased to 50%. The total gains between gold VR14 vs VR16 gear and level increases would not add up to increase your light attack by 50% against a 25% decrease in damage.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

In PvP we kill opponents just as fast, the only difference is that I can take on and kill more opponents by myself than he can. On top of that he is more susceptible to getting killed by hard hitters than I am. You guys can theory craft all you want. Both of us have seen the difference, as have my enemies. So much so that more and more Nord Nightblade have been appearing completely due to my influence. Trust me, in PvP my 6% damage mitigation completely outweighs 10% more stamina.

Unless you and your cousin have organized testing that included fighting against the same group multiple times while swapping between each other's character it's difficult to translate your individual experiences to a discernible outcome.

There are several variables to be accounted. Such as player skill, stats, gear differences, and so forth. If you're saying that when you run solo you perform generally better against groups. What is that really saying when you could easily be fighting lower leveled, under-geared and lesser skilled players. Perhaps you are more skilled at outnumbered combat than your cousin. Gear or stats differentials could also be a deciding factor. You would've had to structure testing which eliminated as many variables as possible to conclude the difference was solely based on race rather than any other extraneous details.

I find it inapposite self aggrandizing to assume Nord Nightblades have taken fashion directly by your governance. It's not a concretely verifiable claim. Playing on EP without extra additions limits a players race choice. Easily players could have picked the race, among their options, that appealed to them the most. Even if players within your circle are personally telling you they have rolled a Nord Nightblade, it's a minuscule portion of a very large whole. To interpret it as anything else is zealously overestimating your sphere of influence.

zornyan

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

We compare the strength of our Surprise Attack since its the primary single target move we use. And just to clarify, in PvE the damage mitigation isn't that huge. Relatively speaking however; that 6% is more like 12% since damage is cut in half in PvP. As far as the health recovery goes; with most fights it's not necessary. When I'm doing 1vX it's excellent for maintaining my health, and against exceptionally good PvPers it could mean the difference between winning and losing.

I find health recovery not that great, for the gear you have to use to get any sort of health recovery, you lose out in other areas.

Say you had 3k recovery, so 3k every 2 seconds.

In 2 seconds I would use something like

Dark flare 10k hit
Light attack 2k hit
Toppling charge 5k hit

You would get one tick, before I use sweeps or something else for another 10k odd damage.

Or in another scenario, because you've given up damage, one of my breath of life heals for 18k in pvp. So it would take you 12 seconds to get what another class could do in one

Just can't see health recovery as any use, stacking more in stam or mag would give far more healing effectiveness

Don't forget that his imperial will have more health than you to start with, plus his melee attacks can heal him too.

In PvP we kill opponents just as fast, the only difference is that I can take on and kill more opponents by myself than he can. On top of that he is more susceptible to getting killed by hard hitters than I am. You guys can theory craft all you want. Both of us have seen the difference, as have my enemies. So much so that more and more Nord Nightblade have been appearing completely due to my influence. Trust me, in PvP my 6% damage mitigation completely outweighs 10% more stamina.

The thing is you have no idea what numbers you're actually hitting for or being hit for.

6% mitigation is HALF of forgetting to recast major armor buff. half That.

One of my characters has 21k health in cyro, she never dies, infact I've got a few videos now of winning 1v3, it would be a terrible build If I was a nord.

At End game, something like 10% stam boost or magicka can equal about 3800-4000 of a stastic, that equals the same as 360-380 raw weapon damage.

That is far more than 6% mitigation, defensive builds don't work well in pvp, dragon knight nords are the easiest for me to kill, because they hit like wet noodles, have no magicka or stam boost or recovery boosts.

Hell I think a nord is probably one of the few races that never kills me.

Strider_Roshin

dday3six wrote: »

Unlikely without drastically increasing your weapon damage, stamina and cp. Before IC there was only a 25% damage reduction in Cryodiil. It has since been increased to 50%. The total gains between gold VR14 vs VR16 gear and level increases would not add up to increase your light attack by 50% against a 25% decrease in damage.

The numbers I gave you for light attack damage were outside of cyrodiil, and yes my weapon damage has drastically changed since the release of IC. My weapon damage before IC in PvP was 1886, now it's 3099

Unless you and your cousin have organized testing that included fighting against the same group multiple times while swapping between each other's character it's difficult to translate your individual experiences to a discernible outcome.

Not only have we done direct skill damage comparisons, we've also dueled a lot of the same people and we can compare ttk against adds in IC; there's literally no difference in ttk

What is that really saying when you could easily be fighting lower leveled, under-geared and lesser skilled players.

If you call VR16 Emperors unskilled and under-geared, then yes; that's what I fight.

I find it inapposite self aggrandizing to assume Nord Nightblades have taken fashion directly by your governance

Considering the fact that they directly ask me about my build, and make a Nord Nightblade because it's what I'm using, I think it's safe to say it's due to my influence. Also these same people have the adventurers pack so they could've picked any race if they wanted to.

The thing is you have no idea what numbers you're actually hitting for or being hit for.

I have many friends in other alliances that allow me to kill them for the sake of testing damage.

6% mitigation is HALF of forgetting to recast major armor buff. half That.

Actually it's worth 75% of a major armor buff, and it's immune to penetration; making it more superior to any major buff in PvP.

One of my characters has 21k health in cyro, she never dies, infact I've got a few videos now of winning 1v3, it would be a terrible build If I was a nord.

I have multiple videos of me doing 1v4s and 1v5s

1v3 eh? You should become a Nord so you can do 1v4s and 1v5s like me. Sounds like you have a terrible build if you can only 1v3 ;-)

At End game, something like 10% stam boost or magicka can equal about 3800-4000 of a stastic, that equals the same as 360-380 raw weapon damage

If you've invested that much into your stamina, then your resource management and survivability is garbage, and you would have no chance fighting someone that's remotely talented at PvP.

That is far more than 6% mitigation, defensive builds don't work well in pvp, dragon knight nords are the easiest for me to kill, because they hit like wet noodles, have no magicka or stam boost or recovery boosts.

I don't use a "defensive build", my build is very damage focused, but not to the point of sacrificing my survivability and resource management. The reason why being a Nord is so advantageous is because it allows your character to be tanky while having excellent damage output and resource management. You just have to gear accordingly.

Hell I think a nord is probably one of the few races that never kills me.

Quite certain you have no way of measuring that, but I don't doubt what you're saying. Most people think by focusing purely on damage they'll increase their odds at winning; they forget about the other factors and they end up becoming easy AP for me ;-)

dday3six

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

The numbers I gave you for light attack damage were outside of cyrodiil, and yes my weapon damage has drastically changed since the release of IC. My weapon damage before IC in PvP was 1886, now it's 3099

Well then how is it relevant? We are talking about Cyrodiil. I stated that because your cousin is an Imperial with more stamina his light attacks are stronger. So if both of you are weaving he'd have higher dps.

Furhermore how are you getting an exact damage for your light attacks outside of Cyrodiil? There are no damage numbers on console. You'd be guessing ultimately regardless of method without actual viewable damage numbers. At least in Cryodiil with a willing test dummy you can use death screen to get actually numbers.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Not only have we done direct skill damage comparisons, we've also dueled a lot of the same people and we can compare ttk against adds in IC; there's literally no difference in ttk

Time to kill of adds in IC is comparable to 1vX fights against players how exactly? How would it help to determine that the reason you're better at 1vX is solely based on the fact that you're a Nord?

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

If you call VR16 Emperors unskilled and under-geared, then yes; that's what I fight.

Again how does this translate to you being better at 1vX against other players because you're a Nord?

There cannot be more than one Emperor, and just because someone is an Emperor doesn't mean they are automatically skilled, using an optimized build, and are an experienced duelist. Players have become Emperor by repairing a lot of walls. It's a measure of timing, time available to play and knowing how to maximize AP gains. Not combat prowess.

The majority of your videos post-IC are you running around often in a group fighting players who are lower level than you. That's just not the massive display of skill that you seem to think it is. I also couldn't find these Emperor fights you mention either.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Considering the fact that they directly ask me about my build, and make a Nord Nightblade because it's what I'm using, I think it's safe to say it's due to my influence. Also these same people have the adventurers pack so they could've picked any race if they wanted to.

The point was how many? 5, 10, even 100. It's not that you haven't swayed a portion of players to dawn the cowl of a Nord Nightblade. It was your overemphasis of how propionate that number was in the grand scale of players in ESO that I was objecting to.

CatchMeTrolling

Breton master race for anything magicka in my opinion and Orc for the rest

Strider_Roshin

Furhermore how are you getting an exact damage for your light attacks outside of Cyrodiil? There are no damage numbers on console. You'd be guessing ultimately regardless of method without actual viewable damage numbers. At least in Cryodiil with a willing test dummy you can use death screen to get actually numbers.

Basic math. When the damage reduction was 20% in Cyrodiil before IC I was doing 1,600 damage with my light attacks against an opponent in medium armor. That equates to 2k outside of Cyrodiil

Time to kill of adds in IC is comparable to 1vX fights against players how exactly? How would it help to determine that the reason you're better at 1vX is solely based on the fact that you're a Nord?

I'm just going to repeat what I said, and bold the point I was emphasizing in that statement:

Not only have we done direct skill damage comparisons, we've also dueled a lot of the same people and we can compare ttk against adds in IC; there's literally no difference in ttk

With a 10% difference in stamina; the ttk isn't even noticeable in Cyrodiil; what makes it easier to 1vX however is my innate survivability.

The majority of your videos post-IC are you running around often in a group fighting players who are lower level than you. That's just not the massive display of skill that you seem to think it is. I also couldn't find these Emperor fights you mention either.

Let's see, with the exception of my oldest videos; which were made recently after the game came out on console. 7 of my 1vX videos are just me, by myself taking out large groups of people, and I have 4 others with me and my cousin S-p-a-r-d-a-. Your definition of "majority" needs work. Also it's not me just fighting a bunch of people lower than me. It's typically a combination of VR16s (or VR14s, depending on the age of the video), mixed with other oppoents that are lower than maxed level, but very rarely are they below veteran rank.

As far as the Emperor fights go, those are usually done formally. I don't post those videos because I don't want to defame individuals. As a matter of fact the only 1v1 duel I've even done that I have posted is the one against Sypherpk, and it wasn't in order to defame him, but it was because I was proud of the fight. Before this game came out on console, he was the main guy I watched on twitch since he played with a similar build that I was planning on using.

The point was how many? 5, 10, even 100. It's not that you haven't swayed a portion of players to dawn the cowl of a Nord Nightblade. It was your overemphasis of how propionate that number was in the grand scale of players in ESO that I was objecting to.

Lol I have 25 subscribers on my YouTube channel, not 34,000. So yes it's more like 5, nothing that would be impacting or even noticeable throughout ESO.

dday3six

For the record cleaning up your quote butchery is getting old...

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Basic math. When the damage reduction was 20% in Cyrodiil before IC I was doing 1,600 damage with my light attacks against an opponent in medium armor. That equates to 2k outside of Cyrodiil

The math is not basic, that's the issue. The variable you do not have is the armor of the target. You can get it for Cyrodiil, but not for mobs in the worlds. Simply adding 20% to a damage number pull from Cyrodiil is not going to give you an accurate answer. You're guessing.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I'm just going to repeat what I said, and bold the point I was emphasizing in that statement:

Not only have we done direct skill damage comparisons, we've also dueled a lot of the same people and we can compare ttk against adds in IC; there's literally no difference in ttk

With a 10% difference in stamina; the ttk isn't even noticeable in Cyrodiil; what makes it easier to 1vX however is my innate survivability.

How are you providing any evidentiary results to support the claim of it only being an issue of survivability that has allowed you to prevail in 1vX situations opposed to your cousin. At this point you're just restating the assertion, then going on to list unrelated items.

Comparing the tooltip damage is only looking at fraction of the whole. It doesn't give insight into matters of critical hits or to armor ratings and penetration. It's a flat baseline value before an other additives.

The time to kill on mobs, even in Cyrodiil, is unrelated. It doesn't provide any evidence to support your claims. Mobs don't behave like players, they have different armor ratings, hp values and so forth. They are completely different entities. The vague correlation is that they exist in the same game.

I take it you and your cousin are using the exact same build. Your characters are essentially clones as far as gear, cp, skills used, etc? Even with that you are not your cousin. As much as you seem to believe the two of you are interchangeable it's not true. That is why I mentioned earlier that you would need to play as an Imperial NB and your cousin as a Nord before you could even bring to say it was solely about the race differences than anything else.

I find it very fascinating that a few months back you were routinely complaining about Nord's lackluster racial passives. Then fast forward to today and they are the best thing ever. Frankly it seems largely that you are just struggling to justify why you are happy playing a Nord. You really don't need to do that.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Let's see, with the exception of my oldest videos; which were made recently after the game came out on console. 7 of my 1vX videos are just me, by myself taking out large groups of people, and I have 4 others with me and my cousin S-p-a-r-d-a-. Your definition of "majority" needs work. Also it's not me just fighting a bunch of people lower than me. It's typically a combination of VR16s (or VR14s, depending on the age of the video), mixed with other oppoents that are lower than maxed level, but very rarely are they below veteran rank.

You can cling to that notation all you want. Anytime that you want to be shown what really happens when you fight multiple skilled and fully geared VR16's I'd be happy to show you.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

As far as the Emperor fights go, those are usually done formally. I don't post those videos because I don't want to defame individuals. As a matter of fact the only 1v1 duel I've even done that I have posted is the one against Sypherpk, and it wasn't in order to defame him, but it was because I was proud of the fight. Before this game came out on console, he was the main guy I watched on twitch since he played with a similar build that I was planning on using.

While that might be a noble intention. You can't rightly use them to support your claims. If you're going to mention exploits and expect them to be evidence of your claim's merit. Then you need to be able to prove them.

Strider_Roshin

The math is not basic, that's the issue. The variable you do not have is the armor of the target. You can get it for Cyrodiil, but not for mobs in the worlds. Simply adding 20% to a damage number pull from Cyrodiil is not going to give you an accurate answer. You're guessing.

Not really. It is pretty basic, and the reason I tested it against someone wearing medium armor is because it's the mean of mitigation. Against light armored opponents I'll do more, against heavy I'll do less; but saying that it's the average damage value is justifiable.

Even with that you are not your cousin. As much as you seem to believe the two of you are interchangeable it's not true

lol try telling that to someone that's played with us. It's scary how similar we play and think.

I find it very fascinating that a few months back you were routinely complaining about Nord's lackluster racial passives. Then fast forward to today and they are the best thing ever. Frankly it seems largely that you are just struggling to justify why you are happy playing a Nord. You really don't need to do that.

Lol do I have to explain everything? Alright let's see what might have changed my opinion of Nords. Could it be the changes to the Nord's passives and dramatic changes to Cyrodiil? Yes, yes it was.

You can cling to that notation all you want. Anytime that you want to be shown what really happens when you fight multiple skilled and fully geared VR16's I'd be happy to show you.

lol PSN and campaign please

While that might be a noble intention. You can't rightly use them to support your claims. If you're going to mention exploits and expect them to be evidence of your claim's merit. Then you need to be able to prove them.

Well I do have witnesses, but for the sake of providing proof in the forums, I'll ask the Emperor if I may share the fight next time I do an Emperor duel.

Atzel

@dday3six

Why bother explaining to someone something so obvious that he can't see for himself ?
Let him be clueless and play his weak race.
You stated pretty much everything yet he doesn't get it... console players.. ages behind PC

AfkNinja

@Strider_Roshin

You are not supporting your argument by trying to browbeat people into agreeing with you and bragging about your 'leet' pvp skills.

@dday3six

Is absolutely correct, if you do not have math to back up your claims they are irrelevant. The issue is you are not elimitating variables as dday3six pointed out. You have no idea if it is actually that 6% dmg resistance that is the only factor in you winning these fights. Further your comments about the mathematical formula for dmg being 'basic' is incorrect and it is likely you do not even know the formula for calculating damage.

It is extremely likely you would be just as good on your NB regardless of the race you chose.

The scientific method requires you to test, test, test and use math and facts to prove your points. Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient.

-P.S. Keep it classy

Takes-No-Prisoner

Blud wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

There used to be a really good synergy between Argonians and Nightblades, but since Argonians were overpowered this was changed.

Yep, I have a VR9 Argonian alchemist NB. I love Argonians. Hope the passives get another look.

I too also have a NB Argonian(see my forum name). Hes got a rich dark brown skin to match the whole stealthy part of being a NB. And with Black horns too! I love him to bits.

Moglijuana

xarguideb17_ESO wrote: »

If you put the following words in the same sentence, the sentence won't even make sense: magicka, dk, pvp.

Hey now! We're still out there...IDK why...oh right...still whippin and nay naying.

Toast_STS

Orc is the master race.

PhatGrimReaper

tony.augeb14_ESO wrote: »

Orc is the master race.

^This man gets it!!!

Junkogen

Argonian and nothing. Thanks @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel ! /s

In all seriousness, ZOS can do better so that no race is off that list. They should take this stuff more seriously and actually balance the racial passives.

Cathexis

I would argue that 8% damage redux is one of the best racial passives in the game.

zornyan

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Unlikely without drastically increasing your weapon damage, stamina and cp. Before IC there was only a 25% damage reduction in Cryodiil. It has since been increased to 50%. The total gains between gold VR14 vs VR16 gear and level increases would not add up to increase your light attack by 50% against a 25% decrease in damage.

The numbers I gave you for light attack damage were outside of cyrodiil, and yes my weapon damage has drastically changed since the release of IC. My weapon damage before IC in PvP was 1886, now it's 3099

Unless you and your cousin have organized testing that included fighting against the same group multiple times while swapping between each other's character it's difficult to translate your individual experiences to a discernible outcome.

Not only have we done direct skill damage comparisons, we've also dueled a lot of the same people and we can compare ttk against adds in IC; there's literally no difference in ttk

What is that really saying when you could easily be fighting lower leveled, under-geared and lesser skilled players.

If you call VR16 Emperors unskilled and under-geared, then yes; that's what I fight.

I find it inapposite self aggrandizing to assume Nord Nightblades have taken fashion directly by your governance

Considering the fact that they directly ask me about my build, and make a Nord Nightblade because it's what I'm using, I think it's safe to say it's due to my influence. Also these same people have the adventurers pack so they could've picked any race if they wanted to.

The thing is you have no idea what numbers you're actually hitting for or being hit for.

I have many friends in other alliances that allow me to kill them for the sake of testing damage.

6% mitigation is HALF of forgetting to recast major armor buff. half That.

Actually it's worth 75% of a major armor buff, and it's immune to penetration; making it more superior to any major buff in PvP.

One of my characters has 21k health in cyro, she never dies, infact I've got a few videos now of winning 1v3, it would be a terrible build If I was a nord.

I have multiple videos of me doing 1v4s and 1v5s

1v3 eh? You should become a Nord so you can do 1v4s and 1v5s like me. Sounds like you have a terrible build if you can only 1v3 ;-)

At End game, something like 10% stam boost or magicka can equal about 3800-4000 of a stastic, that equals the same as 360-380 raw weapon damage

If you've invested that much into your stamina, then your resource management and survivability is garbage, and you would have no chance fighting someone that's remotely talented at PvP.

That is far more than 6% mitigation, defensive builds don't work well in pvp, dragon knight nords are the easiest for me to kill, because they hit like wet noodles, have no magicka or stam boost or recovery boosts.

I don't use a "defensive build", my build is very damage focused, but not to the point of sacrificing my survivability and resource management. The reason why being a Nord is so advantageous is because it allows your character to be tanky while having excellent damage output and resource management. You just have to gear accordingly.

Hell I think a nord is probably one of the few races that never kills me.

Quite certain you have no way of measuring that, but I don't doubt what you're saying. Most people think by focusing purely on damage they'll increase their odds at winning; they forget about the other factors and they end up becoming easy AP for me ;-)

You rely don't have a clue if you think my build is gimped.

Let me give you a break down of stastics.

I have buffed not in cyro

42k max magicka
1700 regen
3450 spell power
19k hp
10k stam

In cyro I use tri stat with battle spirit I have

41k magicka
24k hp
14k stamina

I have tons of resourcea, with channeled focus I get back over 2250 magicka every 2 seconds, hence why I can 1vx so well.

That 10% max magicka for me, is just a tad over 4k magicka.

Which is nearly equal to 400 spell power, that is far more powerful than 6% mitigation.

That 6% isn't going to reduce the damage of my attacks by much, we're talking turning me 12k dark flare into what? 11.2k?

With my burst of

Dark flare
Meteor
Javelin
Toppling charge
Puncturing sweeps

I can put out over 35k of damage in just under 4 seconds for my opener, with the CC that's before you've even manages to hit break free.

6% won't save you then, I can also heal with breath of life for well over 18k in cyro, which you will never out damage with a nords racials, which leaves down to resource management, which again nords don't have.

Minno

Gamerscape2007 wrote: »

I know people think Argonian are one of the weakest in terms of racial passives, but I was satisfied with my Argonian magicka nightblade sap tank during pts. The health boost can let me put more points into my hp, and while the healing received passive seems weak, it does add up if you focus on increasing it. Honest to god, I fell in love with it.

Honestly, It's one of the most Versatile build I had. It can be a healer, a tank, and dps at the same time, and I'd never have to worry about my resource thanks to Siphoning attack. I'm thinking of making it an pvx build. I'll find out once I hit vr 16 and have enough Cp.

I might even post this build on the forums if I have the time.

You should post it. And name it "buff the magic dragon" lol

PhatGrimReaper

Minno wrote: »

Gamerscape2007 wrote: »

I know people think Argonian are one of the weakest in terms of racial passives, but I was satisfied with my Argonian magicka nightblade sap tank during pts. The health boost can let me put more points into my hp, and while the healing received passive seems weak, it does add up if you focus on increasing it. Honest to god, I fell in love with it.

Honestly, It's one of the most Versatile build I had. It can be a healer, a tank, and dps at the same time, and I'd never have to worry about my resource thanks to Siphoning attack. I'm thinking of making it an pvx build. I'll find out once I hit vr 16 and have enough Cp.

I might even post this build on the forums if I have the time.

You should post it. And name it "buff the magic dragon" lol

OMG!!! Need that LOL button so bad right now!!

Strider_Roshin

zornyan wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Unlikely without drastically increasing your weapon damage, stamina and cp. Before IC there was only a 25% damage reduction in Cryodiil. It has since been increased to 50%. The total gains between gold VR14 vs VR16 gear and level increases would not add up to increase your light attack by 50% against a 25% decrease in damage.

The numbers I gave you for light attack damage were outside of cyrodiil, and yes my weapon damage has drastically changed since the release of IC. My weapon damage before IC in PvP was 1886, now it's 3099

Unless you and your cousin have organized testing that included fighting against the same group multiple times while swapping between each other's character it's difficult to translate your individual experiences to a discernible outcome.

Not only have we done direct skill damage comparisons, we've also dueled a lot of the same people and we can compare ttk against adds in IC; there's literally no difference in ttk

What is that really saying when you could easily be fighting lower leveled, under-geared and lesser skilled players.

If you call VR16 Emperors unskilled and under-geared, then yes; that's what I fight.

I find it inapposite self aggrandizing to assume Nord Nightblades have taken fashion directly by your governance

Considering the fact that they directly ask me about my build, and make a Nord Nightblade because it's what I'm using, I think it's safe to say it's due to my influence. Also these same people have the adventurers pack so they could've picked any race if they wanted to.

The thing is you have no idea what numbers you're actually hitting for or being hit for.

I have many friends in other alliances that allow me to kill them for the sake of testing damage.

6% mitigation is HALF of forgetting to recast major armor buff. half That.

Actually it's worth 75% of a major armor buff, and it's immune to penetration; making it more superior to any major buff in PvP.

One of my characters has 21k health in cyro, she never dies, infact I've got a few videos now of winning 1v3, it would be a terrible build If I was a nord.

I have multiple videos of me doing 1v4s and 1v5s

1v3 eh? You should become a Nord so you can do 1v4s and 1v5s like me. Sounds like you have a terrible build if you can only 1v3 ;-)

At End game, something like 10% stam boost or magicka can equal about 3800-4000 of a stastic, that equals the same as 360-380 raw weapon damage

If you've invested that much into your stamina, then your resource management and survivability is garbage, and you would have no chance fighting someone that's remotely talented at PvP.

That is far more than 6% mitigation, defensive builds don't work well in pvp, dragon knight nords are the easiest for me to kill, because they hit like wet noodles, have no magicka or stam boost or recovery boosts.

I don't use a "defensive build", my build is very damage focused, but not to the point of sacrificing my survivability and resource management. The reason why being a Nord is so advantageous is because it allows your character to be tanky while having excellent damage output and resource management. You just have to gear accordingly.

Hell I think a nord is probably one of the few races that never kills me.

Quite certain you have no way of measuring that, but I don't doubt what you're saying. Most people think by focusing purely on damage they'll increase their odds at winning; they forget about the other factors and they end up becoming easy AP for me ;-)

You rely don't have a clue if you think my build is gimped.

Let me give you a break down of stastics.

I have buffed not in cyro

42k max magicka
1700 regen
3450 spell power
19k hp
10k stam

In cyro I use tri stat with battle spirit I have

41k magicka
24k hp
14k stamina

I have tons of resourcea, with channeled focus I get back over 2250 magicka every 2 seconds, hence why I can 1vx so well.

That 10% max magicka for me, is just a tad over 4k magicka.

Which is nearly equal to 400 spell power, that is far more powerful than 6% mitigation.

That 6% isn't going to reduce the damage of my attacks by much, we're talking turning me 12k dark flare into what? 11.2k?

With my burst of

Dark flare
Meteor
Javelin
Toppling charge
Puncturing sweeps

I can put out over 35k of damage in just under 4 seconds for my opener, with the CC that's before you've even manages to hit break free.

6% won't save you then, I can also heal with breath of life for well over 18k in cyro, which you will never out damage with a nords racials, which leaves down to resource management, which again nords don't have.

Yeah I'm quite confident if I were to fight you, you wouldn't last more than 10 seconds, and that's a compliment. More than likely you'll die before the 10 second mark. I've fought Templars that can refill their entire health bar with one breath of life, and they're literally no challenge to me. You'll be lucky to get me down to 75% health.

AfkNinja

@Strider_Roshin @zornyan

It's time for fiiiiiiight club! First rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club. Record this duel so we can all watch the lols.

Best 2 out of 3 wins, get it dooooooone!

Strider_Roshin

AfkNinja wrote: »

@Strider_Roshin @zornyan

It's time for fiiiiiiight club! First rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club. Record this duel so we can all watch the lols.

Best 2 out of 3 wins, get it dooooooone!

Lol sure I can spare 30 seconds of my day. Do you have a PS4 Zorn? Or are we limited to trash talking?

AfkNinja

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

@Strider_Roshin @zornyan

It's time for fiiiiiiight club! First rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club. Record this duel so we can all watch the lols.

Best 2 out of 3 wins, get it dooooooone!

Lol sure I can spare 30 seconds of my day. Do you have a PS4 Zorn? Or are we limited to trash talking?

Awwwwwwwwwww yea, it's peanut butter jelly time! I mean Fight club time! (I'm pretty sure Zornan is PC tho)

Minno

AfkNinja wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

@Strider_Roshin @zornyan

It's time for fiiiiiiight club! First rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club. Record this duel so we can all watch the lols.

Best 2 out of 3 wins, get it dooooooone!

Lol sure I can spare 30 seconds of my day. Do you have a PS4 Zorn? Or are we limited to trash talking?

Awwwwwwwwwww yea, it's peanut butter jelly time! I mean Fight club time! (I'm pretty sure Zornan is PC tho)

Can players even animation cancelhack on the consules?

zornyan

AfkNinja wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

@Strider_Roshin @zornyan

It's time for fiiiiiiight club! First rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club. Record this duel so we can all watch the lols.

Best 2 out of 3 wins, get it dooooooone!

Lol sure I can spare 30 seconds of my day. Do you have a PS4 Zorn? Or are we limited to trash talking?

Awwwwwwwwwww yea, it's peanut butter jelly time! I mean Fight club time! (I'm pretty sure Zornan is PC tho)

As said, I do have a ps4 account, but I haven't touched it since since I bought a pc copy of the game.

I used to think it was ok, until I played pc

Text chat + 60 fps + ultra graphics setting + addons = 100x better, I logged on my ps4 the other day, killed a couple people in cyro and then thought "this feels like crap, looks like crap and I can't communicate with anyone " then turned it off.

Also I must say come try pc, the pvp skills of average players is far higher than on console, I used to 1v4 or 5 all the time on ps4, hell I sometimes had multiple fights without having someone CC me.

Can't say I can even 1v2 on pc yet, people counter my moves, keep me CC'd and generally play much better

zornyan

Minno wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

@Strider_Roshin @zornyan

It's time for fiiiiiiight club! First rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club. Record this duel so we can all watch the lols.

Best 2 out of 3 wins, get it dooooooone!

Lol sure I can spare 30 seconds of my day. Do you have a PS4 Zorn? Or are we limited to trash talking?

Awwwwwwwwwww yea, it's peanut butter jelly time! I mean Fight club time! (I'm pretty sure Zornan is PC tho)

Can players even animation cancelhack on the consules?

I do, (with thew very few skills that Temps have that can be animation cancelled) but generally no. I think there's a lot more casuals on console, lots more people running around with inadequate gear etc.

Hell I've had dozens of people say the never used a nirnhoned sword as a magicka build, or alot don't even have vr16 gear etc

Minno

zornyan wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

@Strider_Roshin @zornyan

It's time for fiiiiiiight club! First rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club. Record this duel so we can all watch the lols.

Best 2 out of 3 wins, get it dooooooone!

Lol sure I can spare 30 seconds of my day. Do you have a PS4 Zorn? Or are we limited to trash talking?

Awwwwwwwwwww yea, it's peanut butter jelly time! I mean Fight club time! (I'm pretty sure Zornan is PC tho)

Can players even animation cancelhack on the consules?

I do, (with thew very few skills that Temps have that can be animation cancelled) but generally no. I think there's a lot more casuals on console, lots more people running around with inadequate gear etc.

Hell I've had dozens of people say the never used a nirnhoned sword as a magicka build, or alot don't even have vr16 gear etc

Yea I figured it was because lack of knowledge by the player base than a limitation set by ZOS.

Part of me feels ZOS doesn't animation cancel when testing, so while on PC we exploit and notice certain racial passives stronger than others, we miss out on the fact the game probably is working as intended if you let the cast times/animations play out.