Templars are need in IC more than ever

xboxone1Q

Coming from a vet 16 healer here is a tip if your group finds a lot of healers hang on to them for dear life. Because in IC there needed now more than ever, DONT tell the other groups you have more than 4 healers because they will just spam those healers to join them.

AfkNinja

xboxone1Q wrote: »

Coming from a vet 16 healer here is a tip. If your group finds a lot of healers hang on to them for dear life. Because in IC they're needed now more than ever. DON'T tell the other groups you have more than 4 healers because they will just spam those healers to join them.

Fixed for you.

Yes magicka templar healer bots are popular. Unfortunately this is probably why Stamina Templar has been ignored for over a year.

myrrrorb14_ESO

I hate going to IC. My heals are so low I have to spam the sh## out them.

I just pretend I'm a stamplar

zornyan

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate going to IC. My heals are so low I have to spam the sh## out them.

I just pretend I'm a stamplar

You making sure to use purifying ritual first right?

With the 30% increased healing buff, and only a few CPs into quick recovery, plus the Medina passive for 10% buff, the healing battle spirit debuff is completly negated, my breath of life crit heals for 16-18k in pvp.

AfkNinja

zornyan wrote: »

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate going to IC. My heals are so low I have to spam the sh## out them.

I just pretend I'm a stamplar

You making sure to use purifying ritual first right?

With the 30% increased healing buff, and only a few CPs into quick recovery, plus the Medina passive for 10% buff, the healing battle spirit debuff is completly negated, my breath of life crit heals for 16-18k in pvp.

Even stacking nothing but magicka this is unlikely. To hit 16,000 hp crit heals with BoL would require a baseline Breath of Life of around 22,000+ outside of pvp. That means to get 16,000 IN PVP would require a non-pvp baseline of 22,000 BoL. 22,000 x .50 for pvp debuf = 11,000 x 1.5 for crit = 16,500. Your non pvp BoL is not 22,000.

Minno

Templars, take advantage of your crit passive. Despite it being next to useless in pvp as dmg, it translates very well for our BOL and heals.

Templars might be the only class currently that excels using percise weapon traits for this very reason.

zornyan

AfkNinja wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate going to IC. My heals are so low I have to spam the sh## out them.

I just pretend I'm a stamplar

You making sure to use purifying ritual first right?

With the 30% increased healing buff, and only a few CPs into quick recovery, plus the Medina passive for 10% buff, the healing battle spirit debuff is completly negated, my breath of life crit heals for 16-18k in pvp.

Even stacking nothing but magicka this is unlikely. To hit 16,000 hp crit heals with BoL would require a baseline Breath of Life of around 22,000+ outside of pvp. That means to get 16,000 IN PVP would require a non-pvp baseline of 22,000 BoL. 22,000 x .50 for pvp debuf = 11,000 x 1.5 for crit = 16,500. Your non pvp BoL is not 22,000.

Actually it's

Baseline 11k

+15% from quick recovery
+10% from healing cast CP
+30% from using it within purifying ritual
+10% mending passive at low hp
+1.6 crit modifier.


Also not this isn't including mundus bonuses, such as ritual or shadow stone, and is on my imperial templar with 35k magicka and 3600 spell damage buffed, my new breton templar will have 44k magicka and 3800 spell damage making the heals even stronger

AfkNinja

zornyan wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate going to IC. My heals are so low I have to spam the sh## out them.

I just pretend I'm a stamplar

You making sure to use purifying ritual first right?

With the 30% increased healing buff, and only a few CPs into quick recovery, plus the Medina passive for 10% buff, the healing battle spirit debuff is completly negated, my breath of life crit heals for 16-18k in pvp.

Even stacking nothing but magicka this is unlikely. To hit 16,000 hp crit heals with BoL would require a baseline Breath of Life of around 22,000+ outside of pvp. That means to get 16,000 IN PVP would require a non-pvp baseline of 22,000 BoL. 22,000 x .50 for pvp debuf = 11,000 x 1.5 for crit = 16,500. Your non pvp BoL is not 22,000.

Actually it's

Baseline 11k

+15% from quick recovery (100 CP)
+10% from healing cast CP (Even more CP)
+30% from using it within purifying ritual
+10% mending passive at low hp
+1.6 crit modifier.

I was refering to baseline as including all of your Restoring Light passives and standing in Purifying Ritual or Channeled Focus. My point is, IN PVP to hit a 16,000+ heal on a crit you need a normal non crit heal of at least 10,000 including all your passives because of the 50% healing nerf. So if outside of PVP counting all your healing pasives you can hit a normal Breath of Life heal at 20,000 in pvp it would be 10,000 * 1.6 = 16,000. Show me a screen shot of you hitting a Breath of Life in PVP of 16,000+, I would love to see that. CP does make a huge difference but I haven't seen anyone get even close to a 20,000 non crit breath of life in PVE.

zornyan

AfkNinja wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate going to IC. My heals are so low I have to spam the sh## out them.

I just pretend I'm a stamplar

You making sure to use purifying ritual first right?

With the 30% increased healing buff, and only a few CPs into quick recovery, plus the Medina passive for 10% buff, the healing battle spirit debuff is completly negated, my breath of life crit heals for 16-18k in pvp.

Even stacking nothing but magicka this is unlikely. To hit 16,000 hp crit heals with BoL would require a baseline Breath of Life of around 22,000+ outside of pvp. That means to get 16,000 IN PVP would require a non-pvp baseline of 22,000 BoL. 22,000 x .50 for pvp debuf = 11,000 x 1.5 for crit = 16,500. Your non pvp BoL is not 22,000.

Actually it's

Baseline 11k

+15% from quick recovery
+10% from healing cast CP
+30% from using it within purifying ritual
+10% mending passive at low hp
+1.6 crit modifier.

I was refering to baseline as including all of your Restoring Light passives and standing in Purifying Ritual or Channeled Focus. My point is, IN PVP to hit a 16,000+ heal on a crit you need a normal non crit heal of at least 10,000 including all your passives because of the 50% healing nerf. So if outside of PVP counting all your healing pasives you can hit a normal Breath of Life heal at 20,000 in pvp it would be 10,000 * 1.6 = 16,000. Show me a screen shot of you hitting a Breath of Life in PVP of 16,000+, I would love to see that.

Why not just look at any magicka templar? It's pretty obviously easy, infact most templars are hitting well over 25k outside of pvp..

As said that build is also missing nearly 8k magicka and 200 spell damage.

Forgot to mention resto passive bonus healing, and you could use the shadow /ritual mundus for a further buff. Oh and then even chuck on some heavy armor for more healing recieved.

zornyan

Actually you just proved my point.

The above passives equal 65% healing buff, with a tooltip figure of 11k, well just figure it out for yourself.

AfkNinja

zornyan wrote: »

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate going to IC. My heals are so low I have to spam the sh## out them.

I just pretend I'm a stamplar

You making sure to use purifying ritual first right?

With the 30% increased healing buff, and only a few CPs (100 CP for the 25% healing is not a little) into quick recovery, plus the Medina passive for 10% buff, the healing battle spirit debuff is completly negated, my breath of life crit heals for 16-18k in pvp.

Also the numbers you are quoting would require you to stack a lot of CP, Healing Mundus and use Resto staff at the cost of the rest of your build. I admit a healer could likely hit these numbers stacking all bonuses for MP and +healing but in your post quoted above you claimed it required minimal investment. Not trying to call you out just pointing out that to get those numbers does require serious investment in a healing build.

zornyan

I'm only at 140 cp.

So even with zero cp.

Let's use a build with the shadow mundus for instace, as a dps build would.


40% healing from restoring light passives
Leaves us with a 10% reduction.

An 11k tooltip means 10k in pvp with 10% reduction.

1.7 crit modifier is 17k

Even without shadow mundus that's still 16k.

zornyan

Just checked, with 3300 spell damage, and 31k magicka, breath of life tooltip is 10501.

Need to check what the value is on my main with more of both, but anyone with 40k+ magicka and 3500+ spell damage should be hitting 18-20k breath of life in pvp.

eliisra

zornyan wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate going to IC. My heals are so low I have to spam the sh## out them.

I just pretend I'm a stamplar

You making sure to use purifying ritual first right?

With the 30% increased healing buff, and only a few CPs into quick recovery, plus the Medina passive for 10% buff, the healing battle spirit debuff is completly negated, my breath of life crit heals for 16-18k in pvp.

Even stacking nothing but magicka this is unlikely. To hit 16,000 hp crit heals with BoL would require a baseline Breath of Life of around 22,000+ outside of pvp. That means to get 16,000 IN PVP would require a non-pvp baseline of 22,000 BoL. 22,000 x .50 for pvp debuf = 11,000 x 1.5 for crit = 16,500. Your non pvp BoL is not 22,000.

Actually it's

Baseline 11k

+15% from quick recovery
+10% from healing cast CP
+30% from using it within purifying ritual
+10% mending passive at low hp
+1.6 crit modifier.


Also not this isn't including mundus bonuses, such as ritual or shadow stone, and is on my imperial templar with 35k magicka and 3600 spell damage buffed, my new breton templar will have 44k magicka and 3800 spell damage making the heals even stronger

But you're using a PvE build in PvP.

While anything works for healing PvE trains in the sewers, I wouldn't recommend going full out magicka + spell power to any templar that wants to do actual PvP, out side of heal spamming raids. What happens when you need to catch up to the group and you get jumped by 3 NB's? You will die failing to break the second cc. You might even die before you manage to break cc.

What happens when you get focused and your the only healer in the group?

I just couldn't play like, unable to defends myself properly or live long enough to get back up.

With an actual PvP build as in balanced health, extra stamina and magicka + stam recovery, you will not get 18k BoL's, unless up in Cyrodiil near a keep taking advantage of Combat Medic 20%, resource bonus and other Alliance War bonuses + passives.

AfkNinja

zornyan wrote: »

Just checked, with 3300 spell damage, and 31k magicka, breath of life tooltip is 10501. (In Cyrodil?)

Need to check what the value is on my main with more of both, but anyone with 40k+ magicka and 3500+ spell damage should be hitting 18-20k breath of life in pvp.

Just post a screen shot of you, or anyone, in Cyrodil with a crit heal of 16,000+, according to you it's the easiest thing in the world. Make sure to post the build as well so we can see all the sacrifices made to hit that number.

myrrrorb14_ESO

zornyan wrote: »

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate going to IC. My heals are so low I have to spam the sh## out them.

I just pretend I'm a stamplar

You making sure to use purifying ritual first right?

With the 30% increased healing buff, and only a few CPs into quick recovery, plus the Medina passive for 10% buff, the healing battle spirit debuff is completly negated, my breath of life crit heals for 16-18k in pvp.

Yeah, I use it. And I "can" heal. It's just painful in IC because of the giant nerf. Just got the champion points for spell crit, so that will help.

zornyan

eliisra wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I hate going to IC. My heals are so low I have to spam the sh## out them.

I just pretend I'm a stamplar

You making sure to use purifying ritual first right?

With the 30% increased healing buff, and only a few CPs into quick recovery, plus the Medina passive for 10% buff, the healing battle spirit debuff is completly negated, my breath of life crit heals for 16-18k in pvp.

Even stacking nothing but magicka this is unlikely. To hit 16,000 hp crit heals with BoL would require a baseline Breath of Life of around 22,000+ outside of pvp. That means to get 16,000 IN PVP would require a non-pvp baseline of 22,000 BoL. 22,000 x .50 for pvp debuf = 11,000 x 1.5 for crit = 16,500. Your non pvp BoL is not 22,000.

Actually it's

Baseline 11k

+15% from quick recovery
+10% from healing cast CP
+30% from using it within purifying ritual
+10% mending passive at low hp
+1.6 crit modifier.


Also not this isn't including mundus bonuses, such as ritual or shadow stone, and is on my imperial templar with 35k magicka and 3600 spell damage buffed, my new breton templar will have 44k magicka and 3800 spell damage making the heals even stronger

But you're using a PvE build in PvP.

While anything works for healing PvE trains in the sewers, I wouldn't recommend going full out magicka + spell power to any templar that wants to do actual PvP, out side of heal spamming raids. What happens when you need to catch up to the group and you get jumped by 3 NB's? You will die failing to break the second cc. You might even die before you manage to break cc.

What happens when you get focused and your the only healer in the group?

I just couldn't play like, unable to defends myself properly or live long enough to get back up.

With an actual PvP build as in balanced health, extra stamina and magicka + stam recovery, you will not get 18k BoL's, unless up in Cyrodiil near a keep taking advantage of Combat Medic 20%, resource bonus and other Alliance War bonuses + passives.

My build is more pvp focused than anything.

2 torugs
3 seducer
4 martial knowledge
3 willpower with 3x spell damage enchants, 1 healthy trait 2x max magicka.

Just waiting on a piece of kena to drop to craft julianos/krag

I have 25k hp in cyrodil with food (imperial) and 15k stamina using tri stat food.

Never had resource problems, most people are dead before I even get to use a potion, or worry about resource management.

When nb's try to gank, I throw spears down on my location, with purifying and channeled focus, then just start hitting the sqeeps, my damage is near enough the same as theirs just I have HoTS running and 40% health return from sweeps.

I've also got a sustain type build, which is 5x seducers, 4x magnus and 3 willpower 1 spell damage 2x cost reduction, and it's ok, but I enjoy just toppling in and killing people quicker, which suits my playstyle.

zornyan

AfkNinja wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Just checked, with 3300 spell damage, and 31k magicka, breath of life tooltip is 10501. (In Cyrodil?)

Need to check what the value is on my main with more of both, but anyone with 40k+ magicka and 3500+ spell damage should be hitting 18-20k breath of life in pvp.

Just post a screen shot of you, or anyone, in Cyrodil with a crit heal of 16,000+, according to you it's the easiest thing in the world. Make sure to post the build as well so we can see all the sacrifices made to hit that number.

How can I post a screen shot on here from an Android phone?

AfkNinja

zornyan wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Just checked, with 3300 spell damage, and 31k magicka, breath of life tooltip is 10501. (In Cyrodil?)

Need to check what the value is on my main with more of both, but anyone with 40k+ magicka and 3500+ spell damage should be hitting 18-20k breath of life in pvp.

Just post a screen shot of you, or anyone, in Cyrodil with a crit heal of 16,000+, according to you it's the easiest thing in the world. Make sure to post the build as well so we can see all the sacrifices made to hit that number.

How can I post a screen shot on here from an Android phone?

Need to know the URL for the pic you wanna use, log in to your ESO forums with your net browser and click on the Image box at the top of your reply box. Then enter the URL and it should load.

Edit: I can understand your hesitance to post an image now. I just wanted to make sure the OP is aware of all the healing passives and gear choices he would need to stack to hit those numbers, and the cost of choosing that build.

zornyan

This is a pvp build that I designed to hit hard, but fortunately for us that also means our heals are awesome

dodgehopper_ESO

Minno wrote: »

Templars, take advantage of your crit passive. Despite it being next to useless in pvp as dmg, it translates very well for our BOL and heals.

Templars might be the only class currently that excels using percise weapon traits for this very reason.

Not exactly. There's still a place for pumping Crit as a Nightblade or Sorc. Bubbles do toss a monkeywrench in things, but in places like IC, lets say you're a high crit sorc using crit surge and flinging your spin to win build. You can run/circle about like an olympian and get heals off your crits. Its a little harder to pull this off against players of course, but not everyone out there is a bubbleboy. Nightblade also has a nice edge on crits as well. BoL Crits are nice though, I just wouldn't presume the crit is only useful on a Temp. NB&Sorc have some interesting crit mechanics as well.

Minno

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Templars, take advantage of your crit passive. Despite it being next to useless in pvp as dmg, it translates very well for our BOL and heals.

Templars might be the only class currently that excels using percise weapon traits for this very reason.

Not exactly. There's still a place for pumping Crit as a Nightblade or Sorc. Bubbles do toss a monkeywrench in things, but in places like IC, lets say you're a high crit sorc using crit surge and flinging your spin to win build. You can run/circle about like an olympian and get heals off your crits. Its a little harder to pull this off against players of course, but not everyone out there is a bubbleboy. Nightblade also has a nice edge on crits as well. BoL Crits are nice though, I just wouldn't presume the crit is only useful on a Temp. NB&Sorc have some interesting crit mechanics as well.

True, they do have unique crit situations. My comment refers to an increase in crit dmg with aedric spear ability slotted.
This means most Templar pvp builds can take advantage of crit chance across the board versus other classes.