Are Stamina Sorcs For Real?

Molag_Crow

Excuse me if I'm mistaken here, but what in the actual oblivion is going on?

A Sorcerer basically flying around the battlefield spamming WRECKING BLOW!?????

Has PvP hit an all time low or something? is this the great depression in Cyrodiil?

We've got Stamina DK's who run around with Wrecking Blow spam, Nightblades who run around with Wrecking Blow spam and now SORCERERS who're running around spamming Wrecking Blow.

I came from WoW, where it actually took skill to PvP. You actually had to think carefully when it came high rated Arena, RBGs etc. No offence, but PvP in this game is absolutely braindead when you think about it.

Imagine if you were involved in a gaming company in the PvP department, and they told you "Right, we're going to give Stamina Users an ability that hits like a truck, completely knocks them back, takes a second to cast, has a pretty decent range, costs nothing AND hits even harder on the second swing." I'd personally think wait, what? so you're putting a load of class skills in the game but instead of offering diversity, like a Stamina morph of a Magicka ability for example, you'd rather just put the 'Godmode 1 Button Win' in for every class that uses Stamina?

byCrux

IMO I believe this started happening more and more after IC was added. With the new nerfs, I feel like a lot of the moves aren't worth using anymore especially if you have a high damage low cost move you can keep spamming (Wrecking blow). It's cheap as hell and requires no skill. That sentence pretty much summed up this game lmao.

olsborg

WB was already strong before IC patch, but was indirectly buffed hard due to the dodge and block nerf, you cant keep blocking or dodging it so someone who is spamming it is at an advantage over you. All you gotta do is slot WB and start spamming back and hope you win, this is the essence of pvp atm.

Artemisshrikes

hey now don't bash Wrecking blow

Molag_Crow

Artemisshrikes wrote: »

hey now don't bash Wrecking blow

Bit too late for that, sorry.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/213831/nerf-i-mean-balance-wrecking-blow-fix-cc-immunity

Artemisshrikes

it was a joke because iv been seeing it being bashed everywhere on forums

Molag_Crow

Artemisshrikes wrote: »

it was a joke because iv been seeing it being bashed everywhere on forums

Man it's so terrible right now... I hate to sound like a whiner, I really do, but through the hours of PvPing, I keep running into Wrecking Blow spammers and I'm talking about the kind of Wrecking Blow spammers who hit you so hard and frequently, that you can't even react in time before you're dead.

I got hit for 12k, 8.6k and then 10k Wrecking Blow within a few seconds of trying to outheal it after I broke free from the first one. It's an absolute joke man, I even roll with sword & shield and block when I can, but these WB spammers get you at the worse times and finish you quickly, no questions asked.

k2blader

Yeah they are real. I wish there was such a thing as dual spec in this game because then I would totally spec stam as it has nice advantages right now.

Artemisshrikes

I spammed 1 time on a v 16 on a cliff and cheap shotted him off it and he died from fall damage

Molag_Crow

k2blader wrote: »

Yeah they are real. I wish there was such a thing as dual spec in this game because then I would totally spec stam as it has nice advantages right now.

Yeah, but I think It's a shame ... apparently at end game (max CP or something) Stamina deals 25% more damage than a Magicka user...

Artemisshrikes wrote: »

I spammed 1 time on a v 16 on a cliff and cheap shotted him off it and he died from fall damage

That's not bad, I do like the idea of Wrecking Blow. It was a good concept, you know.. to knock somebody off a wall/cliff etc with a massive swing, but I think it's gotten out of hand now with all these funky builds running around literally flailing their arms as they charge up their heroically, epic Wrecking Blow.

Artemisshrikes

CrowsDescend wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Yeah they are real. I wish there was such a thing as dual spec in this game because then I would totally spec stam as it has nice advantages right now.

Yeah, but I think It's a shame ... apparently at end game (max CP or something) Stamina deals 25% more damage than a Magicka user...

Artemisshrikes wrote: »

I spammed 1 time on a v 16 on a cliff and cheap shotted him off it and he died from fall damage

That's not bad, I do like the idea of Wrecking Blow. It was a good concept, you know.. to knock somebody off a wall/cliff etc with a massive swing, but I think it's gotten out of hand now with all these funky builds running around literally flailing their arms as they charge up their heroically, epic Wrecking Blow.

funny thing was I was a vr 1 or vr 2 back when that happened lol

Molag_Crow

SmokeGod wrote: »

IMO I believe this started happening more and more after IC was added. With the new nerfs, I feel like a lot of the moves aren't worth using anymore especially if you have a high damage low cost move you can keep spamming (Wrecking blow). It's cheap as hell and requires no skill. That sentence pretty much summed up this game lmao.

Indeed. Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh I can't even be bothered anymore looks like we're going to have to put up with it for a long long time, until @ZOS acknowledge this problem... (maybe if they joined us in PvP for a day and witnessed it for themselves!)

Artemisshrikes

CrowsDescend wrote: »

SmokeGod wrote: »

IMO I believe this started happening more and more after IC was added. With the new nerfs, I feel like a lot of the moves aren't worth using anymore especially if you have a high damage low cost move you can keep spamming (Wrecking blow). It's cheap as hell and requires no skill. That sentence pretty much summed up this game lmao.

Indeed. Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh I can't even be bothered anymore looks like we're going to have to put up with it for a long long time, until @ZOS acknowledge this problem... (maybe if they joined us in PvP for a day and witnessed it for themselves!)

no have them join for the weekend starting on friday

Molag_Crow

Artemisshrikes wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

SmokeGod wrote: »

IMO I believe this started happening more and more after IC was added. With the new nerfs, I feel like a lot of the moves aren't worth using anymore especially if you have a high damage low cost move you can keep spamming (Wrecking blow). It's cheap as hell and requires no skill. That sentence pretty much summed up this game lmao.

Indeed. Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh I can't even be bothered anymore looks like we're going to have to put up with it for a long long time, until @ZOS acknowledge this problem... (maybe if they joined us in PvP for a day and witnessed it for themselves!)

no have them join for the weekend starting on friday

lol yeah show them around the ghettos of Cyrodiil where the Wrecking Blow epidemic has hit rampant...

Artemisshrikes

no they can stumble upon it....WAIT the devs might cheat tho

byCrux

CrowsDescend wrote: »

SmokeGod wrote: »

IMO I believe this started happening more and more after IC was added. With the new nerfs, I feel like a lot of the moves aren't worth using anymore especially if you have a high damage low cost move you can keep spamming (Wrecking blow). It's cheap as hell and requires no skill. That sentence pretty much summed up this game lmao.

Indeed. Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh I can't even be bothered anymore looks like we're going to have to put up with it for a long long time, until @ZOS acknowledge this problem... (maybe if they joined us in PvP for a day and witnessed it for themselves!)

We'll see.. Just like back when people were roll dodging from one side of the map to the other; we'll adapt to this bs, until ZOS breaks something else xD

k2blader

CrowsDescend wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Yeah they are real. I wish there was such a thing as dual spec in this game because then I would totally spec stam as it has nice advantages right now.

Yeah, but I think It's a shame ... apparently at end game (max CP or something) Stamina deals 25% more damage than a Magicka user...

Oh I think it's a shame too. Or I might use a different word..

The sorc class was designed to be a ranged magicka DPS and kiting class. That's what I signed up for. The Zeni shift toward caving to the vocal minority is kinda gross. And when folks start hearing stuff like "stamina is better" (which I do think is true) they hop aboard real fast. :-[

Cathexis

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Excuse me if I'm mistaken here, but what in the actual oblivion is going on?

A Sorcerer basically flying around the battlefield spamming WRECKING BLOW!?????

Has PvP hit an all time low or something? is this the great depression in Cyrodiil?

We've got Stamina DK's who run around with Wrecking Blow spam, Nightblades who run around with Wrecking Blow spam and now SORCERERS who're running around spamming Wrecking Blow.

I came from WoW, where it actually took skill to PvP. You actually had to think carefully when it came high rated Arena, RBGs etc. No offence, but PvP in this game is absolutely braindead when you think about it.

Imagine if you were involved in a gaming company in the PvP department, and they told you "Right, we're going to give Stamina Users an ability that hits like a truck, completely knocks them back, takes a second to cast, has a pretty decent range, costs nothing AND hits even harder on the second swing." I'd personally think wait, what? so you're putting a load of class skills in the game but instead of offering diversity, like a Stamina morph of a Magicka ability for example, you'd rather just put the 'Godmode 1 Button Win' in for every class that uses Stamina?

I would be a hybrid if it werent for the removal of softcaps.

Also, battle mage.

Also, quoting WoW as a game that required skill isn't winning you points.

Also, stam sorcs want a class based offensive ability, and have routinely petitioned for one. Its not because we want to use wrecking blow -- its because we don't have anything else to use.

Also, this is a nerf wrecking blow thread disguised as a stamina sorc hate thread.

Cathexis

k2blader wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Yeah they are real. I wish there was such a thing as dual spec in this game because then I would totally spec stam as it has nice advantages right now.

Yeah, but I think It's a shame ... apparently at end game (max CP or something) Stamina deals 25% more damage than a Magicka user...

Oh I think it's a shame too. Or I might use a different word..

The sorc class was designed to be a ranged magicka DPS and kiting class. That's what I signed up for. The Zeni shift toward caving to the vocal minority is kinda gross. And when folks start hearing stuff like "stamina is better" (which I do think is true) they hop aboard real fast. :-[

Stam definitely isn't better lol. People have been spreading these rumors lately and I think its hilarious. Stuff like "Stam sorc is the class favourite" Haha def not class favourite is nightblade for sure.

k2blader

Cathexis wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Yeah they are real. I wish there was such a thing as dual spec in this game because then I would totally spec stam as it has nice advantages right now.

Yeah, but I think It's a shame ... apparently at end game (max CP or something) Stamina deals 25% more damage than a Magicka user...

Oh I think it's a shame too. Or I might use a different word..

The sorc class was designed to be a ranged magicka DPS and kiting class. That's what I signed up for. The Zeni shift toward caving to the vocal minority is kinda gross. And when folks start hearing stuff like "stamina is better" (which I do think is true) they hop aboard real fast. :-[

Stam definitely isn't better lol. People have been spreading these rumors lately and I think its hilarious. Stuff like "Stam sorc is the class favourite" Haha def not class favourite is nightblade for sure.

Sorry, I didn't word it well as I was in a hurry. I should've said, "stamina is more effective in general." I didn't mean stam sorcs specifically, though they seem like they'd be fun to play in a group.

Septimus_Magna

Cathexis wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Yeah they are real. I wish there was such a thing as dual spec in this game because then I would totally spec stam as it has nice advantages right now.

Yeah, but I think It's a shame ... apparently at end game (max CP or something) Stamina deals 25% more damage than a Magicka user...

Oh I think it's a shame too. Or I might use a different word..

The sorc class was designed to be a ranged magicka DPS and kiting class. That's what I signed up for. The Zeni shift toward caving to the vocal minority is kinda gross. And when folks start hearing stuff like "stamina is better" (which I do think is true) they hop aboard real fast. :-[

Stam definitely isn't better lol. People have been spreading these rumors lately and I think its hilarious. Stuff like "Stam sorc is the class favourite" Haha def not class favourite is nightblade for sure.

If you watch the videos of FENG RUSH you can see him beating the emperor, who is magicka sorc, with his Orc stam sorc. He did get a little help from a sewer boss but it shows how viable stam sorcs are.

k2blader

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Yeah they are real. I wish there was such a thing as dual spec in this game because then I would totally spec stam as it has nice advantages right now.

Yeah, but I think It's a shame ... apparently at end game (max CP or something) Stamina deals 25% more damage than a Magicka user...

Oh I think it's a shame too. Or I might use a different word..

The sorc class was designed to be a ranged magicka DPS and kiting class. That's what I signed up for. The Zeni shift toward caving to the vocal minority is kinda gross. And when folks start hearing stuff like "stamina is better" (which I do think is true) they hop aboard real fast. :-[

Stam definitely isn't better lol. People have been spreading these rumors lately and I think its hilarious. Stuff like "Stam sorc is the class favourite" Haha def not class favourite is nightblade for sure.

If you watch the videos of FENG RUSH you can see him beating the emperor, who is magicka sorc, with his Orc stam sorc. He did get a little help from a sewer boss but it shows how viable stam sorcs are.

Never watched any of his vids but I was curious. I would argue that the sewer boss basically killed the emp magicka sorc with Fengrush tagging for the KB. I think it's not so much that Fengrush is a stamina sorc but more that he's an expert player of the game who's made the build his specialty. Having over 550 CPs doesn't hurt either. What impressed me most about his vid was how well/effortlessly he moved and survived, which I think he himself said is the strength of that build.

Jitterbug

I stam sorc WITHOUT wrecking blow OR steel tornado (or the other morphs) and I can totally hold my own 1v1.
It can be done, and I'm not even that good.

Kronuxx

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Yeah they are real. I wish there was such a thing as dual spec in this game because then I would totally spec stam as it has nice advantages right now.

Yeah, but I think It's a shame ... apparently at end game (max CP or something) Stamina deals 25% more damage than a Magicka user...

Oh I think it's a shame too. Or I might use a different word..

The sorc class was designed to be a ranged magicka DPS and kiting class. That's what I signed up for. The Zeni shift toward caving to the vocal minority is kinda gross. And when folks start hearing stuff like "stamina is better" (which I do think is true) they hop aboard real fast. :-[

Stam definitely isn't better lol. People have been spreading these rumors lately and I think its hilarious. Stuff like "Stam sorc is the class favourite" Haha def not class favourite is nightblade for sure.

If you watch the videos of FENG RUSH you can see him beating the emperor, who is magicka sorc, with his Orc stam sorc. He did get a little help from a sewer boss but it shows how viable stam sorcs are.

You do realize he's got over 550 cp right? Anybody with that decent amount of cp can hit like a truck. Doesn't matter if you're stam sorc, stam nb, stamplar, etc. You see sypher? He's a stam NB with over 300 cp and still hits like a truck. You want balance, you need to start with the cp distrubution along with aoe caps etc.

Angarato

in 1v1 its pretty easy to avoid/block/counter but it costs them nothing and the range/cc immunity is broken. in group fights tho its completely ridicilous if its more than 3 of these wb n00bs spam the *** out of in a group fight you cant avoid them all specially cause its broken and hits you through roll dodge or running out of range or cloak. theres no avoiding it unless you run through the person casting it.

and once you get hit by it in a group you're basicly dead

Jitterbug

Wrecking Blow =/= Stam Sorc
Snipe =/= Nightblade
Sneak =/= Nightblade
Invasion =/= Dragonknight
Healing Springs =/= Templar
Steel Tornado =/= Gameplay

Molag_Crow

Angarato wrote: »

in 1v1 its pretty easy to avoid/block/counter but it costs them nothing and the range/cc immunity is broken. in group fights tho its completely ridicilous if its more than 3 of these wb n00bs spam the *** out of in a group fight you cant avoid them all specially cause its broken and hits you through roll dodge or running out of range or cloak. theres no avoiding it unless you run through the person casting it.

and once you get hit by it in a group you're basicly dead

That is what happens to me 1 v x'ing in a nutshell. I'll be doing well, standing my ground and then some scrub with WB will just pop up out of nowhere and screw the whoooooole fight up... and the odd occasions will involve the solo ganker who'll most likely pack insane weapon damage and CP, then basically blow you up within 2-3 hits

Jitterbug

olsborg wrote: »

WB was already strong before IC patch, but was indirectly buffed hard due to the dodge and block nerf, you cant keep blocking or dodging it so someone who is spamming it is at an advantage over you. All you gotta do is slot WB and start spamming back and hope you win, this is the essence of pvp atm.

Sadly this is true. I refuse to subscribe to that meta though, so I'll just lose all the more fights. At least I can keep my integrity... Or something.

Docmandu

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I came from WoW, where it actually took skill to PvP. You actually had to think carefully when it came high rated Arena, RBGs etc.

Really?! Thought that game was more Gear vs Gear than anything else.

Which to be honest, with undaunted, master weapons and VR16 crafting cost, this game is also heading to.

iTzStevey

I dont know if you know this but wrecking blow is the only worthwhile single target ability a stam sorc can use...they dont have surprise attack or anything like that,neither do DKS.

Groggolo

I played a stamina sorc in the last months, and now I am really bored out of it.

It is viable mainly thanks WB and ST, leveraging some good damage (and armor) buffs that sorc active and passive skills can promote, and high mobility thanks to streak and its morph. That's it.

Yet there are no real synergies or interesting combination between sorc skills and weapon skills, especially compared to other classes.

Definitely there are good players showing off how the stamina sorc can be highly competitive, but that's due mainly to player skills rather than the actual build.
Those players playing any other class would do probably even better.