The shield breaker set, issue's

Amica

Agreed, in the most part. My play style is the *** style .. i see someone busy fighting a mob i don't wait for him / her to finish. I drop a stealth pot just before getting within reach of the target, Then spam the crap out of that light attack before the guy / girl realizes that its not the mob doing damage. Often i attack from behind to get the damage bonus, that most of the pvpers do not even realize you get in this game.
The quality of sorc atm is low to bellow average. I often see the new breed of sorc full shield stacked just standing still blowing off AOE. Yes agreed they do deserve to die. alternatively they are so focused on saving them selves with the magic shield stacking they actually help kill themselves.

Take this for instance, Even yourself would have found most of the new NB's are one button NBs. its like no other ability exists at all. Ambush followed by Ambush ....followed by? yep you guessed it Ambush. this is what i call the bellow average or in the world of nature. Sharks tail, will smiths lvl. Then their is plankton the Ambush spammer / rally spammer.
Then comes Krill which is only a slight step up again.... these are the nasty little buggers.
Tones of coin to deck out in full gear shield breaker in our case, with as much weapon damage as possible... there sole rotation is .... Stealth light attacks, cloak, ambush followed by light attacks, fear ... that no matter how much stam you have you cant break out of. Light attack spam.

Truth is unlike beta and the first year after launch the quality of pvpers has drop to an all time low. That even i found myself just getting lazy in my pvp style.

I'm not the only one that thinks like this, just the other night i watch the lads on "we are eso" and one of them mention that in pvp atm you attack someone and its like a deer in headlights. half dont know how to use breakfree and its not just in the sewers. Being Aussie our play time lacks any real good pvp.

All i can say is when i tested it out, they are the results i got, and ill stick to my opinion and say the set needs adjusting a little.
My gripe is not so much that the set exists, its that the poor little deer in headlights are being owned by a half assed pvper because of the ability to exploit the mechanics of the set. 1.3k would still make the set really good yet not enough to not give average joe pvper a chance. It just reminded me of killing people on there horses pre patch. Before they got off there backs after being dismounted they where already dead.

FriedEggSandwich

OP I agree with the point you are trying to make. My velocious curse barely does 3k damage and that is meant to be a hard-hitting skill on a timer. Frags does about 5k, not even that a lot of the time. Shield breaker set always does 2.1k, just from a light attack which can be spammed rapidly. The damage output potential is too much; not proportional in the current meta. It's not game breaking because light attacks can usually be avoided for a few seconds, but I certainly think it's op and a bit absurd, and needs adjusting. In pvp I run with 2 heavy and have 21k/18k resistances buffed and 21k hp, but going without my class ward still isn't an option. Because I can't disappear or roll more than twice, I have to be able to absorb some damage. When the only counter to something is LoS there's a problem imo.

But you mentioned macros which distracted everybody from a good point and spoiled the post

Alucardo

The non-vet Shield Breaker set is 1.2k damage, and it's not even worth using

Derra

What have macros to do with that? You can just leftclick fine and do 4k dps with shieldbreaker and a weighted bow...

olsborg

I use the set, and 1v1 I dont find it op in the slightest, I dont macro tho, I play oldschool.

(I play a stamblade and a magsorc)

FriedEggSandwich

Alucardo wrote: »

The non-vet Shield Breaker set is 1.2k damage, and it's not even worth using

It wouldn't be much use on bwb, that damage would be of more use in a vet campaign where health pools are generally lower. You can fire off 2 light attacks a second which would get a response from your target. I don't even suggest the damage is lowered that much, or even at all. Maybe just make it proc off heavy attacks instead, not necessarily fully charged. It's the damage output potential I'm complaining about, when compared to damaging skills that cost resources and have cast times etc, such as curse and frags.

Amica

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

OP I agree with the point you are trying to make. My velocious curse barely does 3k damage and that is meant to be a hard-hitting skill on a timer. Frags does about 5k, not even that a lot of the time. Shield breaker set always does 2.1k, just from a light attack which can be spammed rapidly. The damage output potential is too much; not proportional in the current meta. It's not game breaking because light attacks can usually be avoided for a few seconds, but I certainly think it's op and a bit absurd, and needs adjusting. In pvp I run with 2 heavy and have 21k/18k resistances buffed and 21k hp, but going without my class ward still isn't an option. Because I can't disappear or roll more than twice, I have to be able to absorb some damage. When the only counter to something is LoS there's a problem imo.

But you mentioned macros which distracted everybody from a good point and spoiled the post

Thanks firedegg i did not realize the whole macro thing would be such an issue to say out loud lol

kaalmoth

olsborg wrote: »

I use the set, and 1v1 I dont find it op in the slightest, I dont macro tho, I play oldschool.

(I play a stamblade and a magsorc)

Well I don't know for sure, but I don't think anyone complains about SB in 1v1.
As a templar, still using Blazing for group fights (even if it got nerfed I think it's still a nice defensive move) I can deal too with a guy using SB in a 1v1 situation.

NativeJoe

I'd have less complaints about shield breaker if they "actually" supported the NB counter to it. pets. (which havn't been supported since vr 12 gear)

otherwise what is their to do when a NB starts beating the crap out of u with this set? any heavy attacks like overload/crystal frags are just going to be dodged and stealthed out of. AOE? lightning splash? Pulsar? Not going to help lol. About the only thing you "can" do is engineer a bar specifically for NB's , drop mines , streak, prox det +velicious curse and hope u crit heal yourself enough to survive. unfortunetly this will ONLY work if your the one being chased, and they're nub enough NB's to give you enough time to react. Most will just sneak wrecking blow you from stealth and then roll back and Spam this set till ur dead, or ambush you to death. Next patch we'll be getting flurried to death! yay! x.x

FriedEggSandwich

olsborg wrote: »

I use the set, and 1v1 I dont find it op in the slightest, I dont macro tho, I play oldschool.

(I play a stamblade and a magsorc)

Most of the time 1v1 it's fine as long as you have somewhere to LoS. Stamblade with 4k weapon damage and a 2h with gap closer and nowhere to run? Well the NB will probably win. The sorc can't not use a ward cos WB, and with a ward it's LA>suprise attack until you stop casting your ward, then it's back to the WB and executioner. Yes you can run and hug a tree, drop mines/atro or go offensive and maybe get lucky with procs/crits, but healing through that damage isn't possible for a sorc. And the NB can just reset the fight with cloak. Why they gave this set to stam builds I can't understand.

Lucky28

1. ZOS says the set has one purpose?. Fine, remove all other set bonuses except for the 5 piece from shield breaker.

2. Make the user of Sheild breaker also take 2K irresistible damage.

jrkhan

Amica wrote: »

It's not that you cant counter the set if your a better than average pvper. Its the fact that 90% of the current pvp players are not.

I'm willing to bet that a full 50% of players are better than average.

zornyan

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

OP I agree with the point you are trying to make. My velocious curse barely does 3k damage and that is meant to be a hard-hitting skill on a timer. Frags does about 5k, not even that a lot of the time. Shield breaker set always does 2.1k, just from a light attack which can be spammed rapidly. The damage output potential is too much; not proportional in the current meta. It's not game breaking because light attacks can usually be avoided for a few seconds, but I certainly think it's op and a bit absurd, and needs adjusting. In pvp I run with 2 heavy and have 21k/18k resistances buffed and 21k hp, but going without my class ward still isn't an option. Because I can't disappear or roll more than twice, I have to be able to absorb some damage. When the only counter to something is LoS there's a problem imo.

But you mentioned macros which distracted everybody from a good point and spoiled the post

Oh please, curse often hits me for 5-6k and frags often reads 13-14k plus in my tooltip.

I've literally seen 2 shot frags in pvp from full to zero hp

CP5

Asmael wrote: »

SturgeHammer wrote: »

kaalmoth wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

First off shield breaker ONLY WORKS ON PLAYERS SHIELDS. Even says so in the description so IDK what you are talking about it's needed for a DLC boss.

Second it has been said over and over again in shield users QQ threads by pro shield breaker users that shield users in general need to start investing time and effort into a proper defense instead of pooling everything into magicka and infused traits.

Because most Stamina builds are such a showcase of nicely spreading out your attribute points and enchants.

Right???

I wonder what NBs would say if there was a set introduced that would be like : if someone tries to hide in a range of 20 meters, you automatically reveal em and your light attacks does 2000 dmgs. Thats without any CD.

We would then say: hey, its no problem! Just don't hide!

I have heard the Sentry Set, while having Mage light active, can be a major pain for cloak user as it magnifies your detection radius by 20% and deals 20% bonus damage to stealthed targets.

Apparently it doesn't work that way, actually read the opposite, that this set doesn't increase the range of RML, because it's for stealthed targets, not cloaked.

It would require some more testing, but even then, that's certainly less of a pain than the mentioned set:

I wonder what NBs would say if there was a set introduced that would be like : if someone tries to hide in a range of 20 meters, you automatically reveal em and your light attacks does 2000 dmgs. Thats without any CD.

I've tried that combo, but if other testing is anything to go by cloak detect radius is always static, when I was testing NB's radiant magelight kept a 12m range despite stealth passives, so I doubt the item set buffs the skill.

ToRelax

zornyan wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

OP I agree with the point you are trying to make. My velocious curse barely does 3k damage and that is meant to be a hard-hitting skill on a timer. Frags does about 5k, not even that a lot of the time. Shield breaker set always does 2.1k, just from a light attack which can be spammed rapidly. The damage output potential is too much; not proportional in the current meta. It's not game breaking because light attacks can usually be avoided for a few seconds, but I certainly think it's op and a bit absurd, and needs adjusting. In pvp I run with 2 heavy and have 21k/18k resistances buffed and 21k hp, but going without my class ward still isn't an option. Because I can't disappear or roll more than twice, I have to be able to absorb some damage. When the only counter to something is LoS there's a problem imo.

But you mentioned macros which distracted everybody from a good point and spoiled the post

Oh please, curse often hits me for 5-6k and frags often reads 13-14k plus in my tooltip.

I've literally seen 2 shot frags in pvp from full to zero hp

Battle Spirit reduces the received damage by 50%. You deal that much damage against NPCs, not against players. 13-14k tt is relatively high as well, and players have more spell resist than mobs.

Ezareth

Amica wrote: »

2: I set up the inbuilt macro software to just spam light attacks with animation canceling.
3: If a person had there shield up, 98% of the time that person melted. As i could hit them no less than 6 times in about 3 seconds.
4: I tested this due to a few lad n Girls out in the pvp would that i know use the same macro setup with Naga's etc.

Derra

olsborg wrote: »

I use the set, and 1v1 I dont find it op in the slightest, I dont macro tho, I play oldschool.

(I play a stamblade and a magsorc)

If you´re using a weighted bow you have to win a straight 1v1 IF there is no los around. When the sorc has the ability to los and heal up it´s an even match.

Ezareth

I will say that there are hordes of trashcan light attack spamming shield breaker scrubs in Cyrodiil these days and I leave their corpse behind evry time. I've only died to one player using shield breaker to date, Sabre Ali and we're pretty evenly matched without him using it but when he uses it I'm on easy mode for him to kill because both of my healing options are completely negated by him through cloak + blocking.

I think the set is probably too strong right now but I'm not crying about it. Most of the people using that it are the stamina equivalent of the people you see using the Phoenix set....they're AP Walking.

Derra

Ezareth wrote: »

I will say that there are hordes of trashcan light attack spamming shield breaker scrubs in Cyrodiil these days and I leave their corpse behind evry time. I've only died to one player using shield breaker to date, Sabre Ali and we're pretty evenly matched without him using it but when he uses it I'm on easy mode for him to kill because both of my healing options are completely negated by him through cloak + blocking.

I think the set is probably too strong right now but I'm not crying about it. Most of the people using that it are the stamina equivalent of the people you see using the Phoenix set....they're AP Walking.

It´s only a problem in 1v1 if you´re evenly matched against a stam DK or a NB and only in combination with a bow.

1vX it´s the same. Things get really uncomfortable when there´s a bow involved and you can´t reach the sb user.

Btw don´t bash on phoenix set. It´s really undervalued for soloing (if you´re a vampire).

Ezareth

Derra wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I will say that there are hordes of trashcan light attack spamming shield breaker scrubs in Cyrodiil these days and I leave their corpse behind evry time. I've only died to one player using shield breaker to date, Sabre Ali and we're pretty evenly matched without him using it but when he uses it I'm on easy mode for him to kill because both of my healing options are completely negated by him through cloak + blocking.

I think the set is probably too strong right now but I'm not crying about it. Most of the people using that it are the stamina equivalent of the people you see using the Phoenix set....they're AP Walking.

It´s only a problem in 1v1 if you´re evenly matched against a stam DK or a NB and only in combination with a bow.

1vX it´s the same. Things get really uncomfortable when there´s a bow involved and you can´t reach the sb user.

Btw don´t bash on phoenix set. It´s really undervalued for soloing (if you´re a vampire).

It's great on paper but I've killed so many players using it now it never saves them. You can wind up and fire an overload to hit the moment the phoenix invulnerability is removed making the 5 piece bonus basically basically 3 second extension on your death. So many terrible magicka users have gravitated towards that set.....

ostrapz

Sorc and nb being mainly dps should be weaker, which nb can mitigate with cloak but not as directly as sorc. In a 1v1 with good sorc mines curse and streak can break cloak, especially on stamblade. Their is no way around sheilds beyond crushing dps. Shields are primarily for sorcs, meaning you must give up a 5piece bonus to counter 1 class, shouldnt that be a big issue for a sorc? It only boost light attacks against the sheild, they arent a permanent 2k boost,, meaning its just a dps death match. Why would you reduce damge to 1.3k? Lol thats basically asking to make the set a normal light attack.

FriedEggSandwich

zornyan wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

OP I agree with the point you are trying to make. My velocious curse barely does 3k damage and that is meant to be a hard-hitting skill on a timer. Frags does about 5k, not even that a lot of the time. Shield breaker set always does 2.1k, just from a light attack which can be spammed rapidly. The damage output potential is too much; not proportional in the current meta. It's not game breaking because light attacks can usually be avoided for a few seconds, but I certainly think it's op and a bit absurd, and needs adjusting. In pvp I run with 2 heavy and have 21k/18k resistances buffed and 21k hp, but going without my class ward still isn't an option. Because I can't disappear or roll more than twice, I have to be able to absorb some damage. When the only counter to something is LoS there's a problem imo.

But you mentioned macros which distracted everybody from a good point and spoiled the post

Oh please, curse often hits me for 5-6k and frags often reads 13-14k plus in my tooltip.

I've literally seen 2 shot frags in pvp from full to zero hp

My frags will crit upto 8k in pvp, but my spell crit is only 30% so most of the time is just hits for 5k, or less if my opponent is tanky. Tooltip is nearly 10k, 50% of that is less than 5k.

kadar

Reality is, that shield breaker works as an excellent execute or harassment tool. If your entire repertoire is going to be light attacks with a bow versus any sorcerer that isn't realllllllllly bad.. you will never achieve the outcome you claim occurs.

This.

Ezareth wrote: »

I will say that there are hordes of trashcan light attack spamming shield breaker scrubs in Cyrodiil these days and I leave their corpse behind evry time. I've only died to one player using shield breaker to date, Sabre Ali and we're pretty evenly matched without him using it but when he uses it I'm on easy mode for him to kill because both of my healing options are completely negated by him through cloak + blocking.

I think the set is probably too strong right now but I'm not crying about it. Most of the people using that it are the stamina equivalent of the people you see using the Phoenix set....they're AP Walking.

And this.

Waffennacht

Thank god for console

usmcjdking

I know that this may sound like a really, really novel idea.

But maybe don't use shields vs. shield breaker? Not tanky enough? Then maybe build to be a bit tankier?

FriedEggSandwich

usmcjdking wrote: »

I know that this may sound like a really, really novel idea.

But maybe don't use shields vs. shield breaker? Not tanky enough? Then maybe build to be a bit tankier?

Great idea, I'm already wearing reinforced heavy chest and helm and buff up with boundless storm. Any ideas on how I might build to be tankier?

ostrapz

@FriedEggSandwich attribute points in hp ; )

FriedEggSandwich

ostrapz wrote: »

@FriedEggSandwich attribute points in hp ; )

I have 21k hp I don't need to put any attributes there. Only have 33k magicka thanks to reinforced trait on large items so need my attributes there.

danno8

kaalmoth wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I use the set, and 1v1 I dont find it op in the slightest, I dont macro tho, I play oldschool.

(I play a stamblade and a magsorc)

Well I don't know for sure, but I don't think anyone complains about SB in 1v1.
As a templar, still using Blazing for group fights (even if it got nerfed I think it's still a nice defensive move) I can deal too with a guy using SB in a 1v1 situation.

Well to be honest BS produces a 3-4k shield tops. It probably would burst in 1-2 light attacks so you would only get 2-4k extra damage.

For a Sorcerer with a combined 21k shield, this would be quite different.

Tomato

Learn to heal like everyone else.