How do I l2p against shieldbraker.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

I wear the full shield breaker set and do recall firing on some AD shield spammer on the outer keep wall while I was on the inner keep wall..it wasn't you was it?

dsalter

as a stam DW sorc i use shield breaker, downside is i lose alot of damage on non-shielded targets, take in what you will from that. bonus damage to shielded, alot less against unshielded.

Teargrants

Dracane wrote: »

Levo18 wrote: »

Vigor needs a magicka morph!!!!!!

OMG please yes ! Please please please
Then I could finally drop this annoying healing staff. Would just be fair in my opinion, if Magicka had a reliable non class heal.

I used to run Energy Orb in 1.6 instead of Healing Ward, it was a very fun and unique sorc build. Now it's a piece of crap though because you can't afford to hold block while standing around for the orbs to heal you. So much for build diversity.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

You could try fighting some one with a bow by going up to them with a sword and laying the beatdown like a warrior and not a magic spamming wimp cause bows are hardly useful in close range, there is a reason many Nords of skyrim believe magic use in combat is for cowards...because it kind of is.

damtotb16_ESO

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Stop being a noob and dps, if you can't out dps 2k your god awful and need to rethink your life scrub,

this one gave me a laugh

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^^ maybe @Nivzruo_ESO was so excited to post his oh so clever comment that he forgot that normal damage + 2k unmitigated = normal damage +2k, it's a tricky sum!

Egonieser

Teargrants wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

instead of having 12k hp and 40k magicka, have 25k hp and 30-34k magicka

12k HP in Cyrodiil, excuse me? That's actually physically impossible, the absolute lowest you can have is just about 14.7k if you have like no CP. That aside, so according to you the answer to all my problems is I need 5k more HP?

You do understand that 5k HP is gone in 3 more shield breaker procs?

Nice DD stats there, what sets are you using and weapons, if you don't mind me asking? I got slightly less spell power and less regen by 200, but instead have 3k more hp and 6k more stamina, which i will probably stick to in PvP, but that spell power would be a blessing in PvE where dodgerolling and taking damage means less to me, just wanna steamroll mobs to farm CP as fast as I can.

imredneckson

Brrrofski wrote: »

Honest question, what am I supposed to do about bow users spamming light attack for 2150 damage per attack. How do I compete with my health depleted in mere seconds?

I genuinely can't do a thing against bow users with this set.

Melee is fine. I can streak, put mines down.

When someone is 20 metres away spamming bow attacks, what am I honestly supposed to do?

What is the counter to that?

Remake your magicka sorc into a stam sorc. Other than that there is no real counter other than avoid them or kill them before they can kill you

Teargrants

Egonieser wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

instead of having 12k hp and 40k magicka, have 25k hp and 30-34k magicka

12k HP in Cyrodiil, excuse me? That's actually physically impossible, the absolute lowest you can have is just about 14.7k if you have like no CP. That aside, so according to you the answer to all my problems is I need 5k more HP?

You do understand that 5k HP is gone in 3 more shield breaker procs?

Nice DD stats there, what sets are you using and weapons, if you don't mind me asking? I got slightly less spell power and less regen by 200, but instead have 3k more hp and 6k more stamina, which i will probably stick to in PvP, but that spell power would be a blessing in PvE where dodgerolling and taking damage means less to me, just wanna steamroll mobs to farm CP as fast as I can.

Just the cookie cutter magicka dps that everyone else is running since zos killed build diversity w/ IC. 5 Kagrinacs, 3 Torugs, 1 Molag Kena, 3 Willpower, dual wield.

Rylana

Hello, shield stacking sorc that has yet to die to this set reporting in. In fact its only shown up once in my death recap at all, and that was when i was being focused down by like 10 guys so was going to die anyway, top kek.

25000+ health is the real ticket here. (i run about 24k personally) Yeah youre gonna lose about 5% of your damage, big effin deal. Tell the minmaxers screaming about dedicating 100 percent to a stat to go shove it.

Pop a healing ward, itll pop before they can do enough lights to even get you under 10k health. If you get real low just spam the ward like 5 times, it does heal on cast for about 3k. Do not under any circumstances use hardened or harness once youve identified a shieldbreaker hitting you. You have to take control of the fight early. Roll dodge, streak around, use LOS. Movement and control is the key.

In between that, un-effing-load on the scrub that thinks its some kind of i-win button. Frag em, wrath em, curse em, streak em. Whatever you gotta do, but put the damage on their fail asses and watch em run back in their little hole. Pop a detect potion afterwards to watch them cower in fear trying to figure out why their massive expenditure on Sorc destruction turned out to be a joke to a competent sorc.

Shield breaker users, especially flavor of the monthers, are free AP every single time. People that can kill my sorc solo today are the same people that could two months ago. Shieldbreaker doesnt even exist among those folks.

This was not a parody or troll post, I am dead serious.

Rylana

tplink3r1 wrote: »

So funny to see sorcs mad cause now they need more than 16k health.

Whos mad? I still drop people like bad habits left and right. The damage loss to shunt about 4k stats to health is so minimal you dont even notice.

Nivzruo_ESO

Teargrants wrote: »

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Stop being a noob and dps, if you can't out dps 2k your god awful and need to rethink your life scrub,

Thanks bruh, you're a genius.

However, Shield Breaker isn't just 2k dps potential, it is 2k unresistable dps potential; you cannot mitigate it period. That's sort of a big deal when PvP is all about mitigating dmg. Let's look at the typical Shield Breaker engagements and not just w/e target dummy idea you had in your head.

Stam NB v Sorc
- NB has dodge roll, shuffle, cloak, fear to avoid dmg & make it hard to pull off burst.

Stam DK v Sorc
- DK has dodge roll, shuffle, scales to avoid/reflect dmg, properly timed scales counters frags & keeps Sorc burst at bay. And don't forget Petrify, which is not only a double CC, but also counts as a dmg shield on you for Shield Breaker.

Stam Templar v Sorc
- Templar has dodge roll, shuffle, purify to avoid/purge dmg, you may not be aware but Purify does more that just remove Curse, it also removes the Endless Fury execute proc and makes Frags disappear in midair. That's basically all of your Sorc burst gone.

Meanwhile, what does magicka Sorc have in terms of dmg mitigation/avoidance when fighting these Shield Breaker builds?
- Dodge roll? Sure, about 2x unless you want to dodge more and kill yourself.
- Block? Does nothing to stop unresistable damage, just wastes your stam.
- Stop using any shield to avoid 2k dps? Magicka Sorc w/o shields is dead sorc w/in 1-2 burst rotations.
- Only viable option? Maintain full shields while spamming a secondary source of heals. Sorc has 2 options:
1. Degeneration + Power Surge = RNG based & reliant on being able to do appreciable dmg to enemy.
2. Resto Staff heals = fairly lack luster + pretty much dedicating an entire bar of skills to a bunch of heals.

These are the issues you run into when fighting Shield Breaker, and that's not even delving into the issue of it being your opponent's normal dmg + Shield Breaker procs or multiple opponents which are beyond the scope of this post. True, most bow users spamming Shield Breaker are total nubs who just try to run away as soon as you look at them funny, but that's neither here nor there as far as regards the balance of the actual set itself.


Moving on, not related to your post but something that needs to be said, the Forum Warrior's favorite touted solution, "stop relying on shields", "stack more than 15k into health" is just a *** poor argument that comes from not playing Sorc or just being deliberately facetious.

- Since IC, pretty much all Sorcs I've seen sit around 20k health if not a bit more. That's about the average for other classes in Cyrodiil, perhaps a bit on the low end for DKs/Temps. So pray tell, how much "more" precisely are Sorcs supposed to stack into health? 30k?
- Like it or not, Hardened Ward is the class's primary tool for damage mitigation. Sorc by design was given a big damage shield and crappy heals. Magicka Sorc cannot simply "stop" relying on shields without a redesign of the class, or a powerful non class magicka heal (such as what stam builds have w/ dodge roll + Rally + Vigor).

ToRelax

Rylana wrote: »

Hello, shield stacking sorc that has yet to die to this set reporting in. In fact its only shown up once in my death recap at all, and that was when i was being focused down by like 10 guys so was going to die anyway, top kek.

25000+ health is the real ticket here. (i run about 24k personally) Yeah youre gonna lose about 5% of your damage, big effin deal. Tell the minmaxers screaming about dedicating 100 percent to a stat to go shove it.

Pop a healing ward, itll pop before they can do enough lights to even get you under 10k health. If you get real low just spam the ward like 5 times, it does heal on cast for about 3k. Do not under any circumstances use hardened or harness once youve identified a shieldbreaker hitting you. You have to take control of the fight early. Roll dodge, streak around, use LOS. Movement and control is the key.

In between that, un-effing-load on the scrub that thinks its some kind of i-win button. Frag em, wrath em, curse em, streak em. Whatever you gotta do, but put the damage on their fail asses and watch em run back in their little hole. Pop a detect potion afterwards to watch them cower in fear trying to figure out why their massive expenditure on Sorc destruction turned out to be a joke to a competent sorc.

Shield breaker users, especially flavor of the monthers, are free AP every single time. People that can kill my sorc solo today are the same people that could two months ago. Shieldbreaker doesnt even exist among those folks.

This was not a parody or troll post, I am dead serious.

Doesn't sound like a very competitive enemy tbh.

Speely

Don't use shields when fighting ppl using shieldbreaker. Mitigate with healing and neutralize threats with DPS. Consider Evasion. SB is a dumb set, but it's not unbeatable. The style of play it forces is just a bit silly is all. Until ZOS changes the way this set works, say f*** it and slot Evasion while equipping Armor Master.

Cathexis

Magicka sorcs have arguably the longest range mobility. You should be able to take cover, no?

KenaPKK

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Im really confused, i just read a few months old thread about shieldbreaker set being useless.... Now some call it OP.
Did it get buffed or something?

No, kids just have to find new things to complain about from time to time. Same old dumb, irrational yelping.

ToRelax

Cathexis wrote: »

Magicka sorcs have arguably the longest range mobility. You should be able to take cover, no?

I can draw out any duel endlessly by kiting around a tree, hence you don't do that.
It's not going to win you a fight if you are not able to kill the shieldbreaker user(s) before he/they kill(s) you. And how am I supposed to do that if that player is competent, wich I have to assume is the case if I want balance? It basically boils down to running away (wich doesn't work against a good player with a gap closer now either) or dieing.

Derra

KenaPKK wrote: »

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Im really confused, i just read a few months old thread about shieldbreaker set being useless.... Now some call it OP.
Did it get buffed or something?

No, kids just have to find new things to complain about from time to time. Same old dumb, irrational yelping.

Hello. I am a NB currently arguing why cloak should not be nerfed. In the meantime i´m posting false information on the forums regarding balance of other classes.

@SemiD4rkness shieldbreaker has indeed been buffed on the pts before IC (by 100%) and i don´t think any topic after that buff stated it was useless.

Vangy

Remove shield breaker. Make shields crittable, dottable aka just like normal health. Would bring things into an even footing.

Master_Kas

Dracane wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

So funny to see sorcs mad cause now they need more than 16k health.

As good as all Sorcs have 21k+ Health. Which is the average health of each class.
Why should Sorc be forced to stack even more ? And this doesn't promise a victory against shieldbreaker. Sorc needs everything they can get in order to deal any damage. With so much health, you need to sacrifise Magicka.

Your heals become too weak to outheal shieldbreaker, your damage becomes non existing and your shields break when an enemy looks at them. I don't think stacking 30k+ health is a good overall choice for Magicka Sorcs at least.

Nope you can outheal it with power surge (instead of entropy) + blessing of restoration.

Sad you can't facetank multiple enemies now ?

Master_Kas

Brrrofski wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Hopefully a set is coming out next DLC with the 5th trait that sorcs can see through invisibility.
*** for tat.

Nope, Nightblades already have many counters for Shadow Cloak and it's Morph's.., AOE attacks, Radiant Magelight, Detect Potions, Flares.. etc

There only one gear set that Nerf's Shields, have to use a 5 pc as well, I think you SORC guys/girls got off waaaayy easy..

There are plenty of ways to get a shield down. Wrecking blow, fear, templar javelin throw thingy, Dk leap, Stonefist etc,then burn through shield.

Shieldbreaker would be the equivalent of a set that could see through invisibility. Something to counter your only class survival tool.

I would rather have one skill I can slot that goes through shields than using a 5 piece set. Or a potion which gives me weapondamage + stamina on use which makes my surprise attacks go through shields, like detectpot does (spelldmg+magicka)

Also Fear, javelin, stonefist eat through a hardened ward ? LOL.

Any normal sorc cc breaks the instant you fear/cc him then back to spamming those shields with no regen/cost penalty while all who use dodgeroll or block as defense have huge penalties on them.

Well no penalty until you run into a shieldbreak user

Derra

Master_Kas wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Hopefully a set is coming out next DLC with the 5th trait that sorcs can see through invisibility.
*** for tat.

Nope, Nightblades already have many counters for Shadow Cloak and it's Morph's.., AOE attacks, Radiant Magelight, Detect Potions, Flares.. etc

There only one gear set that Nerf's Shields, have to use a 5 pc as well, I think you SORC guys/girls got off waaaayy easy..

There are plenty of ways to get a shield down. Wrecking blow, fear, templar javelin throw thingy, Dk leap, Stonefist etc,then burn through shield.

Shieldbreaker would be the equivalent of a set that could see through invisibility. Something to counter your only class survival tool.

I would rather have one skill I can slot that goes through shields than using a 5 piece set. Or a potion which gives me weapondamage + stamina on use which makes my surprise attacks go through shields, like detectpot does (spelldmg+magicka)

Also Fear, javelin, stonefist eat through a hardened ward ? LOL.

Any normal sorc cc breaks the instant you fear/cc him then back to spamming those shields with no regen/cost penalty while all who use dodgeroll or block as defense have huge penalties on them.

Well no penalty until you run into a shieldbreak user

It would be funny if steeltornado ignored shields but in return was nerfed to 6m aoe range. I don´t think you´d think of magica aoe as an actually counter to cloak then

Cutting ambush dmg in half and giving it a stacking cost increase for the ability to ignore shields would also be a nice thing wouldn´t it?

tennant94

Just get rid of shieldbreaker its stupid

Tankqull

Teargrants wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

instead of having 12k hp and 40k magicka, have 25k hp and 30-34k magicka

12k HP in Cyrodiil, excuse me? That's actually physically impossible, the absolute lowest you can have is just about 14.7k if you have like no CP. That aside, so according to you the answer to all my problems is I need 5k more HP?

You do understand that 5k HP is gone in 3 more shield breaker procs?

Nice DD stats there, what sets are you using and weapons, if you don't mind me asking? I got slightly less spell power and less regen by 200, but instead have 3k more hp and 6k more stamina, which i will probably stick to in PvP, but that spell power would be a blessing in PvE where dodgerolling and taking damage means less to me, just wanna steamroll mobs to farm CP as fast as I can.

Just the cookie cutter magicka dps that everyone else is running since zos killed build diversity w/ IC. 5 Kagrinacs, 3 Torugs, 1 Molag Kena, 3 Willpower, dual wield.

ever tried 3x arch-mage at least i prefer the additional mana reg of arch-mage over torugs HP set bonus...

Wollust

You people are only ever talking about weighted bow LA shieldbreaker spammer and want the set removed because of that minority. Ever thought about people that use it in a normal rotation of la-skill-bash? You can hardly call it op then. It's nice, but definitely not a game breaker. The set has barely to do with some people being ***.

And to be fair, there is a freaking potion taking nightblades out of stealth. I think that one is far worse than one medium armor set tbh.
let's also not forget the DK wings that got clipped hard. And the overall nerf to defensive mechanics like rolldodge and block. So i really do not see the reason for the constant whining you people are making about this set. The sorc defense is still really nice compared to other classes.
The only legit point I can agree on is the camo hunter bypass proc. That's really not okay and should be fixed quickly.

And no, don't argue with classes and blabla you got no idea blabla. I play all 4 classes, I have encountered shieldbreaker on my sorc (though no la spamming idiots, but I guess I'd be pissed off as well) and I've been able to survive it.

I'd rather see some whining about the nerf to streak (and block and roll dodge while we're at it). Those are way too much. But seriously not one single medium armor.

Artis

thelordoffelines wrote: »

You mean just like how there were many countersto bolt escape like crit rush, ambush, any speed buff and bow dodge roll? Yet it still got nerfed for no reason.

Are you playing some different ESO? You can cast BE twice during the cast time of ambush.

tennant94

Artemis wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

You mean just like how there were many countersto bolt escape like crit rush, ambush, any speed buff and bow dodge roll? Yet it still got nerfed for no reason.

Are you playing some different ESO? You can cast BE twice during the cast time of ambush.

Sorry but this is not true.

Brrrofski

Yeh, he must be.

I've started running lightning form which seems to help a little bit

I can survive an extra two light attacks...

ToRelax

Wollust wrote: »

You people are only ever talking about weighted bow LA shieldbreaker spammer and want the set removed because of that minority. Ever thought about people that use it in a normal rotation of la-skill-bash? You can hardly call it op then. It's nice, but definitely not a game breaker. The set has barely to do with some people being ***.

And to be fair, there is a freaking potion taking nightblades out of stealth. I think that one is far worse than one medium armor set tbh.
let's also not forget the DK wings that got clipped hard. And the overall nerf to defensive mechanics like rolldodge and block. So i really do not see the reason for the constant whining you people are making about this set. The sorc defense is still really nice compared to other classes.
The only legit point I can agree on is the camo hunter bypass proc. That's really not okay and should be fixed quickly.

And no, don't argue with classes and blabla you got no idea blabla. I play all 4 classes, I have encountered shieldbreaker on my sorc (though no la spamming idiots, but I guess I'd be pissed off as well) and I've been able to survive it.

I'd rather see some whining about the nerf to streak (and block and roll dodge while we're at it). Those are way too much. But seriously not one single medium armor.

You want to balance that set around a build making suboptimal use of it? That's like saying DKs were never OP, because stamina builds sucked at launch. The fact the 5 pc Shieldbreaker is being preferred over Willow's Path (wich would even with bugged drinks give way more stats) by melee stamina builds should already tell you something is off. I mean, that is what you just said would be no problem, right?

iTzStevey

Everytime i have gone defensive and tried to get way from a bow light attack shield breakertard ive died, ive found that going offensive whilst making sure they are CC'd EVERY 6 seconds works well.

They're should be a set that makes templar heals useless,DK wings make the caster take more damage and NB have a giant c*ck above their heads for 30 seconds after casting cloak