Is PVP better or worse with these latest updates?

Emperor_Will

Egonieser

No, it was better how it was before.

My main issue is the -50% damage nerf. Instead of adjusting the 1-shooting skills from before, they gave EVERYONE huge blanket nerf that rendered many builds useless and not viable, limiting the already limited meta even more.

briandivisionb16_ESO

No, it was better how it was before.

50% damage nerf becomes 75% when your group is bigger than 6 due to AoE cap.
Ridiculous.
Voted better before.

briandivisionb16_ESO

No, it was better how it was before.

I posted this today.

Emperor_Will

No, it was better how it was before.

Below are my reasons for why i find pvp massively less enjoyable.

Elusive Mist Nerf
The one skill templars and DKs could use to escape or reposition mid-fight. Inferior to both streak & cloak, yet this was nerfed to the point of uselessness when ic was released. The one skill that any class could use that might have somewhat balanced NBs current superiority in ic.

So whilst a cloaked NB will take no agro, be unseen so take 0% damage, with the potential to use it non-stop.
Someone using elusive mist, will still be seen, take agro, 25% damage & can only be used it a limited number of times.

Proximity Detonation Nerf
Another great skill, that was easily mitigated via skills, blocking, or simply not standing so close to your team.. completely nerfed to the point of not being worth using. This has a negative impact to pvp in a number of ways:
-Choke points vs a greater numbers of players are now irrelevant (resource towers, sieged keeps/outposts etc.)
-Less reward for those who've invested many hours in pvp
-Greater stam vs magic imbalance

50% damage reduction
-Causes pvp to feel slow/unexciting
-Rewards unresponsive gameplay - why even pay attention to your health bar now..
-Causes even more 1 skill spam (Wrecking blow, dark flare etc.)
-Siege damage is now so low that paying attention to red circles has almost no benefit

NPCs now are almost useless:
-impossible to fall back to resources when outnumbered and atleast make a dent in the incomming zerg.
-impossible to 1v10 outposts or keeps
-solo resource capturing less challenging, so less need for teamwork

End result:
-skill gap between vr1 & longterm pvpers drastically reduced
-players who're unresponsive or with lag are now at less of a disadvantage
-all previous tactics have been reduced to locate & stay with zerg

-Sub cancelled prior to update.
-Barely able to pvp for more than 30 mins

Ryuho

No, it was better how it was before.

No. Zerglings are even bigger than b4.. and at the same time harder to kill (cause dmg reduction nerf), ur skill isnt importnat, casue u will be simply outnumbered.. all those changes *** small scale pvp, now small grps almost stand no chance vs all mighty zergs.. I miss old cyro, even 1.6 was better.. I miss times when with 4 ppls u were able to wipe entire goblin crew raid, @olsborg those times.. Seriously they have no idea what to do with pvp in this game.. @ZOS Stop listening to cry babies..

aco5712

No, it was better how it was before.

zerg is stronger and bigger, blanket nerfs really hurt DKs and templars but made NBs and sorcs stronger. Bring back 1.5 plox

Armitas

No, it was better how it was before.

Unsurprisingly the blanket nerfs failed to hit mark. Due to new gearing, damage is the same as it was in 1.6 with no lack of sustain. However our ability to handle that damage remains insurmountable for some of the classes due to the nerf to shields, blocking and healing. Armor is still highly penetrated with little effort leaving mobility as the truest defense, and the only sure way to get a heal out of healing ward, as the bubble will not survive without protecting it.

The problem isn't that they got the global nerf levels wrong either. The problem is that the didn't address any of the specific problems. We will need global nerf values to help modulate power levels with PvE power creep but 50% should be a big red flag that you have some serious problems and with your game.

phillyproduct

Yes, i prefer how pvp is now.

Ps4 user so i can only compare the month or so i had the game and understood mechanics before update.


I think the changes were great, aoe cap isnt good and this game needs a zerg buster but longer fights mean recover reasource management and actual fighting ability matters.

Before teleport strike from shadows plus 1 concealed wep and prox det was death... Two uppercuts was death 2 snipes was death now if im attacked from stealth i atleast can face my attacker try to fight before attacks from stealth were two shots

Pvp isnt perfect it wasnt before update it isnt now but lets stop acting like this update created issues nightblades cloak been op just in close tight spaces i.E. Imperial city we notice its uses more. Shield stacking been a problem they gave medium armor users a counter and they need to give light armor users a counter

Cathexis

Yes, i prefer how pvp is now.

Battles in cyrodiil have not been this good since like 1.2
People can spread out and fight each other.
Last night I killed 15 people in sequence in a 15v40 chaos.
There was no lag or meteor spam or unkillable sorcs and very few unkillable nightblades.. Just combat.

You seriously want to go back to one shot kills and the equine simulator? I feel like this is just a bunch of nightblades and magicka sorcs who are crying because their meta builds aren't as op as they used to be.

Suck it up and learn to fight and stop ruining this once glorious game with this meta bullshjt.

SleepyTroll

No, it was better how it was before.

IC not being gated. IC having no meaning in the war. No objectives in IC. Spawning in IC. Damage nerf should be like 30%, if you stack all Magick a or stamina you should die fast while killing fast. Revert the hp point and glyph nerf, that's what created this mess. Seriously ZOS what we're you thinking you nerfed hp just to have to nerf damage because of that nerf. Realeasing the CP system for us to test on live server, really like did you not expect people to think their CP advantage was legit? Blanket nerfs in general hurt more then they help. It's been almost 2 years and the server still crashes in large scale battles. Add arenas ZOS, before you said you didn't want to because people would leave cyrodillcyrodill, but you can't eventhe handle that many players. Oh but you'll release IC so that that can take away from the Pop...

1Grumpy_dunmer1

No, it was better how it was before.

Cathexis wrote: »

Battles in cyrodiil have not been this good since like 1.2
People can spread out and fight each other.
Last night I killed 15 people in sequence in a 15v40 chaos.
There was no lag or meteor spam or unkillable sorcs and very few unkillable nightblades.. Just combat.

You seriously want to go back to one shot kills and the equine simulator? I feel like this is just a bunch of nightblades and magicka sorcs who are crying because their meta builds aren't as op as they used to be.

Suck it up and learn to fight and stop ruining this once glorious game with this meta bullshjt.

Didn't do a lot of pvp In 1.5 I did in 1.6 and I'm a magicka dk. The changes are bad. : (

Olen_Mikko

It has pros and cons.

+ Battle leveling in veteran campaigns is good thing.
+ TTK is more reasonable
+ Buff campaigns doesn't exist
+ EMP farming doesn't exist.
+ Lesser "one-shot-willy's"


- Siege weapons does bull***t damage
- Damage mitigation is imo too high, sometimes you just can't kill nobody
- No more former emp skills
- Harder to find small scale battles, since all the changes caters zerging

There's something what i think of this.

Cathexis

Yes, i prefer how pvp is now.

I agree that seige needs to hit harder.


Former emp bonus was dumb.. Turned it into a farm.


@1Grumpy_dunmer1 1.5 and earlier, especially earlier was a lot like now except no cp and there were soft caps.

Battles were not this either 1hit gank or tight raids

You could spread out on the battlefield without risk. The way things are now is a really good thing. Fights are way more tactical.

Waffennacht

Yes, i prefer how pvp is now.

I prefer the changes.

1. Slower PvP means actual move combinations. Over half of the abilities were worthless previously. At best before it was: main attack, weave light, second attack, main attack = gg. Now you can actually combo, buff, retreat, etc like a good PvP.
2. The boosts make it where if a vet 5 attacks me, he actually MAY have a chance at winning.
3. One hit kills are still possible, but not by anyone in stealth

Emperor_Will wrote: »

End result:
-skill gap between vr1 & longterm pvpers drastically reduced
-players who're unresponsive or with lag are now at less of a disadvantage
-all previous tactics have been reduced to locate & stay with zerg

-Sub cancelled prior to update.
-Barely able to pvp for more than 30 mins

The less of a gap... kinda thought was the idea... people with lag aren't insta killed? Why are you complaining that people with lag have a chance of survival? You have made many lag experiencing enemies with such a statement...

Well maybe that's the only tactics in IC but I definitely get more than enough 1v1 action and real strategy is necessary in that

Saint314Louis1985

No, it was better how it was before.

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

+ Buff campaigns doesn't exist

Buff campaigns kind of exist they just switched to "worry-free" IC campaigns.

I think they took the damage reduction too far and most the changes they made benefit zerging.

SneaK

It's not bad, it's still the best game I have in my cabinet, and that's purely because of the PvP.

Things I think should change/revert...

1. Damage Mitigation should have been about 35%, not 50%.

2. Bring back silent siege, Cold Stones.

3. Siege damage needs an overall buff.

4. Magicka Detonation needs to be redone.

5. Need incremental population caps to each campaign to help with balance!

6. Some of the IC districts should have hosted PvP arena type of games 5v5, 12v12, etc.

7. Unrelated to PvP, they need to update the DSA and trials to max level.

Gunphu

No, it was better how it was before.

Slight changes needed to happen but this really made the game not as enjoyable. Before this update I had dozens of friends on at all times...now I have 3 if im lucky.

Chieve

Yes, i prefer how pvp is now.

Wait so if im in a group i take 50% less damage? Isnt that a good thing since it encourages social interaction and cooperation

Master_Kas

No, it was better how it was before.

Worse.

1.5 with just SOME MINOR tweaks , plz

Waffennacht

Yes, i prefer how pvp is now.

Chieve wrote: »

Wait so if im in a group i take 50% less damage? Isnt that a good thing since it encourages social interaction and cooperation

No man, they just say it that way to try and make more of an impression.

What they mean to say is, "AoEs will only damage a max of 6 players in a group, if you are attacking a group of more than six you wont damage all of them."

Which they interpret as dealing less damage. (In a way yes you are dealing less than a hypothetical amount.)

There is no direct game mechanic that changes how much damage you are dealt based upon your group's numbers.

rordogg

No, it was better how it was before.

Keep the blocking and dodge roll changes. Get rid of all the 50% reduction *** and fix that actually game problems please.

TheLaw

No, it was better how it was before.

It keeps getting worse each patch. PVP IS NOT fun right now.

Vangy

There should be an option for 50:50. I like some of the changes like damage reduction to stop those qq triple snipe insta kills. But something should be done about Zerg Aoe spam.

Prodigy1971

Yes, i prefer how pvp is now.

I prefer the way PvP is now.

I love longer fights and hate to be one/twoshot from the back of my horse while riding through cyrodiil.

No thx. Even though I play stam NB.

iTzStevey

No, it was better how it was before.

Worse, from what i can tell all this update did is increase the need for CP because of the 50% damage reduction and promote running in a blob spamming AOE and thinking you're "leet".

The gear grind is real also, ii love working towards something but 1 mat per deconsruct? Ridiculous and forces you to grind mats for long periods of time which i HATE, so bottom line is I'm finding myself getting bored with the game more than I'm having fun, and that is not good.

Jura23

Yes, i prefer how pvp is now.

I prefer longer fights, so -50% is ok for me. I wouldn't mind removing aoe caps though. And as a templar I agree the mist nerf is terrible.

Farorin

No, it was better how it was before.

PVP is really crappy now compared to how it used to be. It's still more fun than PVE when you can find good fights (which is a hard thing to do in the first place), but it used to be a lot better, and good fights are a lot harder to come by now as well.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

Yes, i prefer how pvp is now.

i voted Yes only because at least we don't have those one shot yolo build and exploiters everywhere with 100% armor pen etc BUT this entire pvp is becoming with every single patch a bader joke... no i ma sorry, this entire GAME is a bad joke and a shame for the Elder Scrolls series.

revonine

No, it was better how it was before.

I preferred it how it was before. Instead of adjusted certain skills or skill combo's that caused the cheap one shots we got this.
But can you imagine V16 power levels with 1.6 battle spirit? One shot party and all of Cyrodill is invited. I think part of the reason for the adjustment was so they could include the level cap raise.

damtotb16_ESO

Yes, i prefer how pvp is now.

PvP as it is now require some skills due to damage reduction instead of just stealth 1 shooting people form 40 m