Need Stamplar Advice

ishilb14_ESO

I have Rally, Repentance, Wrecking Blow, Crit Rush, and Executioner on my bar

Any recommendations on switching out any of the skills?

mjspnrb18_ESO

ishilb14_ESO wrote: »

I have Rally, Repentance, Wrecking Blow, Crit Rush, and Executioner on my bar

Any recommendations on switching out any of the skills?

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Rylana

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contact.opiumb16_ESO

ishilb14_ESO wrote: »

I have Rally, Repentance, Wrecking Blow, Crit Rush, and Executioner on my bar

Any recommendations on switching out any of the skills?

I also play a 2h stamplar, my build is :
. crit rush
. executioner
. jabs
. rally
. repentance
. dawnbreaker

also the second bar is archery with some utilities, and i am a vampire but i'll pass this because i take too much dmg with fire + warriors guild passive

OmniDevil

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

I also play a 2h stamplar, my build is :
. crit rush
. executioner
. jabs
. rally
. repentance
. dawnbreaker

also the second bar is archery with some utilities, and i am a vampire but i'll pass this because i take too much dmg with fire + warriors guild passive

Same with mine. Don't let the Fire+ dmg and Fighters Guild passives worry you. Not being a vamp, I still take just as much dmg in PvP. Haven't noticed any difference in PvP except I can move faster while stealthing

Thaumaturge and Elemental Defender. That will help.

zornyan

I'd drop wrecking blow in favour of biting jabs, it's better dps.

I'd also move repentance to your second bar and slot something like evil hunter for more dps/stam regen.

Abob

That's what I use on my two hander bar, except for repentance, instead of which I use immovable brute (I have armor master) and I usually do pretty well in pvp in general and running solo in IC with just 164 cp.

But I do feel my build lacks power against some individuals (not templars though ).

OmniDevil

zornyan wrote: »

I'd drop wrecking blow in favour of biting jabs, it's better dps.

I'd also move repentance to your second bar and slot something like evil hunter for more dps/stam regen.

WB followed by Biting Jabs spam is a powerful combo in PvP. Also agree with the Evil Hunter tip. I don't worry so much about Repentance in PvP as it doesn't particularly function the same way in PvP, besides the passive stam recov while slotted.

AfkNinja

OmniDevil wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

I'd drop wrecking blow in favour of biting jabs, it's better dps.

I'd also move repentance to your second bar and slot something like evil hunter for more dps/stam regen.

WB followed by Biting Jabs spam is a powerful combo in PvP. Also agree with the Evil Hunter tip. I don't worry so much about Repentance in PvP as it doesn't particularly function the same way in PvP, besides the passive stam recov while slotted.

Wrecking Blow's empower only affects the first hit of Biting Jabs, so no it's not that great. You'll get more dmg out of WB to WB but at that point it still loses to Biting Jabs cause it's so fast and also proc's burning light Templar passive.

OmniDevil

AfkNinja wrote: »

Wrecking Blow's empower only affects the first hit of Biting Jabs, so no it's not that great. You'll get more dmg out of WB to WB but at that point it still loses to Biting Jabs cause it's so fast and also proc's burning light Templar passive.

I understand this.

Actually, it has nothing to do with buffs or the like. It's the knock back that WB provides, followed by spamming Biting Jabs. That extra bit of CC where Biting Jabs can't be avoided.

I actually don't care for WB at all, past that.

AfkNinja

OmniDevil wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Wrecking Blow's empower only affects the first hit of Biting Jabs, so no it's not that great. You'll get more dmg out of WB to WB but at that point it still loses to Biting Jabs cause it's so fast and also proc's burning light Templar passive.

I understand this.

Actually, it has nothing to do with buffs or the like. It's the knock back that WB provides, followed by spamming Biting Jabs. That extra bit of CC where Biting Jabs can't be avoided.

I actually don't care for WB at all, past that.

Why use a 1 second channel to get knockback when you have a class instant that is better in Binding Javelin? I generally only use WB OR Biting Jabs as they do the same thing, ST dps. I don't like waiting a second to get my CC, I need it instant.

OmniDevil

AfkNinja wrote: »

OmniDevil wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Wrecking Blow's empower only affects the first hit of Biting Jabs, so no it's not that great. You'll get more dmg out of WB to WB but at that point it still loses to Biting Jabs cause it's so fast and also proc's burning light Templar passive.

I understand this.

Actually, it has nothing to do with buffs or the like. It's the knock back that WB provides, followed by spamming Biting Jabs. That extra bit of CC where Biting Jabs can't be avoided.

I actually don't care for WB at all, past that.

Why use a 1 second channel to get knockback when you have a class instant that is better in Binding Javelin? I generally only use WB OR Biting Jabs as they do the same thing, ST dps. I don't like waiting a second to get my CC, I need it instant.

Apples to Oranges. Different Strokes for Different Folks. It does have draw backs, but my suggestion wasn't about what is better and what you should and shouldn't be doing. It was about options. Both suggestions, yours and mine, work well and it really comes down to personal preference.

zornyan

Burning light is what pushes biting jabs to the single highest dps move available atm. With a decent crit chance, and the 10% crit damage buff in the templar skill tree, jabs literally melts enemies.

Personally if you can, use a mace with sharpened trait instead of a sword, the armor pen will do far more damage, especially in higher level vet content as the majority of mobs have a reasonable high phys resistance .

OmniDevil

zornyan wrote: »

Personally if you can, use a mace with sharpened trait instead of a sword, the armor pen will do far more damage, especially in higher level vet content as the majority of mobs have a reasonable high phys resistance .

I could be wrong, but didn't ZOS recently fix maces so that the sharpened trait no longer stacks with the 2H/DW passives for maces? I read somewhere that it's better to do Maces/Precise, Swords/Sharpened now. Again, I could be wrong.

zornyan

I belive it was bugged, meaning you were getting something along the lines of 70% pen, it's been fixed, but on any mob wearing med armor or above it still does more dps than a sharpened sword.

Stigant

You ask for advice, but it cannot be provided so esily since we have no clue what is your secondary weapon and what do you run ony our other bar. althought one simple advice would be: get on this bar at least one Aedric Spear ability for Piercing Spear, Spear Wall and Burning light passives .. they are just to good to pass on ... Biting Jabs would seem like a good idea in general, or put binding Javelin on place of WB for combo Javelin->Crit Rush->bash->HA->Executioner, unless you run javelin on your other bar.

AfkNinja

Can we just take a moment as Templar's to gush about how awesome Binding Javelin's animation is? Wish it did more dmg or had Major Fracture but damn it looks cool to knock someone off their feet with a Javelin!

OmniDevil

AfkNinja wrote: »

Can we just take a moment as Templar's to gush about how awesome Binding Javelin's animation is? Wish it did more dmg or had Major Fracture but damn it looks cool to knock someone off their feet with a Javelin!

You mean how awesome it looks when throwing a spear made of "light" at someone and hearing that metallic "thud" as it hits them and they get knocked to the ground? Yeah, it's pretty bad [snip]!

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

butoijo

I changed from 2h to DW after my alchemy got 50 ( panacea weapon power ). Bow my 2nd bar.

My build is CCing enemies to maximized DW passive Ruffian and Champion passive from Ritual line.

Only 4 class skill i pick, 2 ultimate, Sweep and Nova, 2 skill, explosive charge and blinding javelin. But mainly i using Flawless Dawnbreaker, and changed if i see zerg.

Zinaroth

zornyan wrote: »

I'd drop wrecking blow in favour of biting jabs, it's better dps.

I'd also move repentance to your second bar and slot something like evil hunter for more dps/stam regen.

Evil Hunter will only give him more DPS if he keeps it up on daedra and undead. The crit buff is already provided by Jabs. Whether the stamina regain from Evil Hunter would be better than the passives from Repentance I don't know, but I highly doubt it.

For PvP I would recommend using Wrecking Blow instead of Biting Jabs, since it's easier to hit with and provides nice CC, whereas Jabs literally *** your chance to CC enemy target. 0.5 second knockback and in return they get free CC immunity, GG ZOS. Here you would obviously slot Evil Hunter to get the crit you will lack from Biting Jabs proc.

For PvE I would recommend using Biting Jabs instead of Wrecking Blow. You wouldn't be needing Evil Hunter (unless you fight undead or daedra in which case you can just have it on your second bar anyway) so I would slot Repentance instead of it.

If you would like to insist on using Biting Jabs in PvP, which is a viable option, but less potent in my eyes, I would recommend using Stampede instead of Critical Rush for that root/snare so you can easily land the following Jabs, since they are pretty hard to connect if your target moves just a little bit.

zornyan

@zinaroth evil hunter has a chance to proc on non daedra, and thanks to jabs being 4x hits it procs quite often even in pve vs non daedra.

Wrecking blow is useless in pvp, it's far to slow to windup and I never land hits with it, it's stupidly obvious it's coming, at least with japs your guaranteed 2 hits out of 4 before they react, jabs also does more dps, I've never really understood why people want a slower, weaker attack when pvp is all about speed and burst

Yes the cc on jabs isn't any good, but using javelin to knock them down first, and jabs can be used with DW which pushes it's dps even further out than wrecking blow.

Wrecking blow is only good for fighting noobs , anyone with half a brain cell won't get touched by it

OrphanHelgen

my guess is you dont really need help with your build, but wanted to show that name in the chat?
Or is it a friend of you trolling?
Is this a trollpost?
Am I a troll?
Can a troll troll?
Is this a troll comment?
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Zinaroth

zornyan wrote: »

@zinaroth evil hunter has a chance to proc on non daedra, and thanks to jabs being 4x hits it procs quite often even in pve vs non daedra.

Wrecking blow is useless in pvp, it's far to slow to windup and I never land hits with it, it's stupidly obvious it's coming, at least with japs your guaranteed 2 hits out of 4 before they react, jabs also does more dps, I've never really understood why people want a slower, weaker attack when pvp is all about speed and burst

Yes the cc on jabs isn't any good, but using javelin to knock them down first, and jabs can be used with DW which pushes it's dps even further out than wrecking blow.

Wrecking blow is only good for fighting noobs , anyone with half a brain cell won't get touched by it

I disagree and my extensive experience tells me otherwise, that is all I can say.

ishilb14_ESO

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

my guess is you dont really need help with your build, but wanted to show that name in the chat?
Or is it a friend of you trolling?
Is this a trollpost?
Am I a troll?
Can a troll troll?
Is this a troll comment?
What rhymes with troll? The Elder scroll..
The Elder Trolls Online.. OMG !!

*Ding Ding Ding*

Mumyo

For damage u should slot a aedric spaer ability in ur first bar. Otherwise u dont get the passives.

AfkNinja

Zinaroth wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

@zinaroth evil hunter has a chance to proc on non daedra, and thanks to jabs being 4x hits it procs quite often even in pve vs non daedra.

Wrecking blow is useless in pvp, it's far to slow to windup and I never land hits with it, it's stupidly obvious it's coming, at least with japs your guaranteed 2 hits out of 4 before they react, jabs also does more dps, I've never really understood why people want a slower, weaker attack when pvp is all about speed and burst

Yes the cc on jabs isn't any good, but using javelin to knock them down first, and jabs can be used with DW which pushes it's dps even further out than wrecking blow.

Wrecking blow is only good for fighting noobs , anyone with half a brain cell won't get touched by it

I disagree and my extensive experience tells me otherwise, that is all I can say.

It's cool that you like Wrecking Blow, continue to use it if you like it's a fun skill. But as a Templar Biting Jabs is better in every way. Because of our Power of the Light Passive which adds bonus dmg on Aedric Spear abilities Biting Jabs will FAR out dmg Wrecking Blow even factoring in Empower. Use Binding Javelin to Biting Jabs and melt face. Also Biting Jabs is faster, AOE and it wrecks enemy stamina if they try to block. Templar's WANT you to block Biting jabs cause then you can't block our CC. Please keep using your WB and I will simply walk or dodge through you and make it miss.