Removal of VR

Tryxus

I like VR ranks as they are and want to keep them.

The VR ranks are decent enough: a bit of a way to keep character growth without getting too many Skill/Attribute Points

But how about ZOS creates an alternative way of getting them besides Cadwell's Silver & Gold? A Less Grinding & No Questing way of getting VR XP?

Loves_guars

I agree with removing VR ranks and replacing them with something else.

Seems like many of us who wanted VR removal are gone now. I occasionally read the forums expecting good news like this to come back to the game.
Cool, now, I just need housing. And...maybe some improvements to pvp.

NewBlacksmurf

I agree with removing VR ranks and replacing them with something else.

Nestor wrote: »

Thing is, if they remove the VR Ranks, is the Grind still going to go away? Your still going to have to level something on your character through some system to gain power or is everyone going to be become all powerful at L50 or whatever? Or does character progression continue after LMax? If it continues, what is the mechanism? CP's? People have to grind for those or do quests to get those. So, your going to still be doing the same content or grind if you want to progress your character.

Basing my comment on what's laid out...
Yes the grind is being removed by design from CP catch up
What we do know is that VR is going away and that spell crafting will comes so perhaps this fills the "grind" you mention.
Power isn't based on level and stat/skills but also gear so if ppl are 50 and given stats of a vr16 they still must get items of better quality so that progression stays.

Sting864

I agree with removing VR ranks and replacing them with something else.

AshTal wrote: »

VR ranks force me to play through Cadwell Silver and Gold. I want them gone ASAP so any new characters are not forced through that.

That's like saying, "....lowbie (lvl. 1-50) ranks forced me to play lowbie levels... I couldn't play VR levels til I was VR ranked..." I survived not doing Cadwell's Silver or Gold 'til I was VR7 just by doing Cyrodiil dailies, bounties, scouting and pledges... Nothing forces you to do anything more than play the game... Well maybe you force you because you think there's only 1 way to do things....

I want VR ranks gone because I want skills and abilities on the player not the gear...

Prabooo

I like VR ranks as they are and want to keep them.

STOP NERFING THE GAME, MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT PLEASE !!!

Van_0S

I agree with removing VR ranks and replacing them with something else.

Prabooo wrote: »

STOP NERFING THE GAME, MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT PLEASE !!!

How much difficult, do you want?. Isn't it already difficult?. The IC is already so difficult.( if not, them play solo next time)

Farorin

I agree with removing VR ranks and replacing them with something else.

I agree with removing veteran ranks, and think they have already been replaced by the champion system, so they don't need anymore replacing.

I think they should be removed entirely so that level cap is 50, not just converted into levels that you should have to go through.

Enodoc

I agree with removing VR ranks and replacing them with something else.

Nestor wrote: »

Thing is, if they remove the VR Ranks, is the Grind still going to go away? Your still going to have to level something on your character through some system to gain power or is everyone going to be become all powerful at L50 or whatever? Or does character progression continue after LMax? If it continues, what is the mechanism? CP's? People have to grind for those or do quests to get those. So, your going to still be doing the same content or grind if you want to progress your character.

No, the grind won't go away, and yes, you will be doing the same content to progress your character. But you won't be forced into doing one thing before another due to an arbitrary ordering that they have assigned to Veteran content. Craglorn is assigned VR11, meaning you are supposed to find VR1-VR10 content to do elsewhere before you go there. Even if you don't need to do anything first, the fact that it has been given the number 11 implies that there are 10 other things to do first.

Sting864 wrote: »

AshTal wrote: »

VR ranks force me to play through Cadwell Silver and Gold. I want them gone ASAP so any new characters are not forced through that.

That's like saying, "....lowbie (lvl. 1-50) ranks forced me to play lowbie levels... I couldn't play VR levels til I was VR ranked..."

It's not the same thing at all. 1-50 is levelling content, you need to do lower level content before higher level content. Veteran content is endgame content, not levelling content; veteran Ranks have applied a levelling aspect to endgame, which is contrary to what endgame is supposed to be. You shouldn't be forced through one part of endgame (Cadwell's) to get to a second, "higher" part of endgame; endgame content is supposed to be available to everyone who has reached level cap. And Level Cap is 50.

terrordactyl1971

I like VR ranks as they are and want to keep them.

It would make sense at this point to leave the max rank now at VR 16 and just have all new content horizontally scaled to that.

Imperial City, Orsinium, Craglorn and Cyrodiil, dungeons and trials already make it possible to realistically dodge half of the Cadwell content and still get to VR16 viably. Once we get the Dark Brotherhood, Thieves Guild, Murkmire and another region added to the mix it may make Cadwells completely optional and alot of the crying will go away.

1-49 is about working through your 5 home zones + Coldharbor as well as the 2 guilds and main quest. From VR1-VR16, what we want are multiple ways to work your way to the cap, branching options to suit other playstyles. I think people get discouraged by completing the first 6 zones, hitting level 50 and then thinking they're exactly 33% through the content and have to carry on with Cadwells which admittedly does feel odd after saving the world.

It doesn't feel right that you've stopped the planemeld and defeated a Daedric prince, only to find your next task is to go to the tutorial area of another alliance and help an NPC find his lost chickens or race a few frogs. Just feels out of place.

badmojo0777b14_ESO

I agree with removing VR ranks and replacing them with something else.

removing VR ranks and scaling back gear to 50 will brig TONS of new GEAR SET combinaitons. think of the past tier set bonues that were sweet but cant be used once you progress past them, in combinaiton those created snce then and in the future, lots more possabilities

TalonShina

I like VR ranks as they are and want to keep them.

terrordactyl1971 wrote: »

It would make sense at this point to leave the max rank now at VR 16 and just have all new content horizontally scaled to that.

Imperial City, Orsinium, Craglorn and Cyrodiil, dungeons and trials already make it possible to realistically dodge half of the Cadwell content and still get to VR16 viably. Once we get the Dark Brotherhood, Thieves Guild, Murkmire and another region added to the mix it may make Cadwells completely optional and alot of the crying will go away.

1-49 is about working through your 5 home zones + Coldharbor as well as the 2 guilds and main quest. From VR1-VR16, what we want are multiple ways to work your way to the cap, branching options to suit other playstyles. I think people get discouraged by completing the first 6 zones, hitting level 50 and then thinking they're exactly 33% through the content and have to carry on with Cadwells which admittedly does feel odd after saving the world.

It doesn't feel right that you've stopped the planemeld and defeated a Daedric prince, only to find your next task is to go to the tutorial area of another alliance and help an NPC find his lost chickens or race a few frogs. Just feels out of place.

I agree with this. They need to scale the current trials to work like dungeons so people will want to do them. And continue on with the progression leaving it a V16 and letting the CPs take solely over from there and keep releasing content that works like they explained Orsinium will work and I think it would help greatly. I am actually looking forward to Cadwells, but I like questing so that's me

Rust_in_Peace

I like VR ranks as they are and want to keep them.

They nerfed the exp needed to level VR, greatly increased the exp from quests, added exp pots and you have exp plus to boost it further. It's really not that bad.

Enodoc

I agree with removing VR ranks and replacing them with something else.

terrordactyl1971 wrote: »

Imperial City, Orsinium, Craglorn and Cyrodiil, dungeons and trials already make it possible to realistically dodge half of the Cadwell content and still get to VR16 viably. Once we get the Dark Brotherhood, Thieves Guild, Murkmire and another region added to the mix it may make Cadwells completely optional and alot of the crying will go away.

If you skipped Cadwell's and wanted to go back to it later, you'd be overlevelled for it. Removing VRs is the only way to make it both optional and viable at any time.

deadlock007

I like VR ranks as they are and want to keep them.

Enodoc wrote: »

terrordactyl1971 wrote: »

Imperial City, Orsinium, Craglorn and Cyrodiil, dungeons and trials already make it possible to realistically dodge half of the Cadwell content and still get to VR16 viably. Once we get the Dark Brotherhood, Thieves Guild, Murkmire and another region added to the mix it may make Cadwells completely optional and alot of the crying will go away.

If you skipped Cadwell's and wanted to go back to it later, you'd be overlevelled for it. Removing VRs is the only way to make it both optional and viable at any time.

You may not get much xp from the mobs if you are over leveled but you still get a lot from completing the quests and content no matter what your level is now. So it is still viable as is. Just remove the lock and open gold and silver as soon as you hit vet, then it becomes optional. No need to touch the vet ranks.

jello

I want to keep VR ranks but they should be modified somehow.

[x] remove them

The problem is the grind, not the vr-ramks. everyone has seen the quests a thousand times, its simply TOO MUCH of them. its boring! i want to have fun in a game from the first second, not being forced to grind 50 levels, 16!!! vet ranks +++ championpoints to be competitive in pvp.

i really tried to level a new toon, but its just not possible for me because of that huge boring GRINDWALL. remove vr is a step in the right direction.

Aerieth

Prabooo wrote: »

STOP NERFING THE GAME, MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT PLEASE !!!

If you think Veteran Rank leveling content is hard, you're in for a world of hurt in vWGT and vICP aka. the real end-game. That's the whole reason we want VR removed. They're not hard, they're not difficult in the slightest. They're nothing but a time sink you replay on your alts to get to the max rank, while watching TV.

After VR are removed, I'd be happy if they made Cadwell's Silver and Gold Zones actually hard to complete. Might actually enjoy playing through them. I don't see that happening though, based on how people are crying about the new dungeons and soon about the Vet Maelstrom Arena.

Want more reasons? See my earlier posts:
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Defilted

As long as the change makes the game more enjoyable then it is OK in my book.

Ace_of_Destiny

DhuBleidd wrote: »

There has been a lot of discussion about removal of VR ranks so I wanted to see how many people actually agree or disagree with it. Also please after you vote write the reason why you voted so, would like this to be a constructive thread. nbsp pls

I will take...

Option 4. Don't Care