Need some pro sorc help

tennotsukai87

Any magicka sorc ever fought a reflect scales, shield breaker DK? Any tactics you guys use on these sorc killers? Probably, the most difficult 1v1 I've had yet.

BigTone

Line of sight and roll dodge are your friend defensively. Also, having a heal on your bar that is not hardened ward is a must. Try rapid regen or combat prayer. Obviously you want to avoid cystal frags (hard to do, I know) but you have many other options at your arsenal. Daedric mines, velacious curse, streak, proxy/inevitable det, mages wrath, dawnbreaker/storm atro, heavy attacks with resto/lightning staff, and soul assault are all viable options against this build. Keeping crit surge up helps too since you are being healed while doing damage.

Personally I find magicka NBs are a much tougher match up for me right now.

Hope this helps

thelordoffelines

If hes a stam build (which he is because hes using shield breaker) he cant sustain perma reflect. Just stall till hes out of magicka then go in for the kill.

CN_Daniel

Keep your insta cast frag proc ready at all times. When the reflect isn't up, boom.

Keep the curse on them always, and spam mages fury.

DKs are no problem at all if you're setup to fight them. The problem is, you're gimped for all other situations when setup to fight the Dks.

tennotsukai87

Thank you all!

Maulkin

thelordoffelines wrote: »

If hes a stam build (which he is because hes using shield breaker) he cant sustain perma reflect. Just stall till hes out of magicka then go in for the kill.

Really really depends on how he's set up and the amount o CPs he has. Most stamina DKs use drinks and have pretty good magicka sustain. When you take Battle Roar and tri-pots into account it's really hard to drive them OOM. Especially if they've enough CPs to also invest into Magician (magicka cost reduction).

Also if they are running S&B for the double anim. cancel (la->heroic slash->bash) and have Reverberating Bash on their build to cut your heals, you are far more likely to run out of HP before they get anywhere near running out of magicka.

Derra

A sustain build stamina DK is something you won´t beat on your sorc if you´re both equally skilled. You can go for a draw but that´s about it - atleast with builds that are not specifically set up to beat that kind of player.

If you want a counter build. Run two dots. Soulassault. Rapid regen + another heal (or los if it´s not a dueling situation). Mages wrath. Runecage. S&B to counterreflect. Mines - learn to use them. Root.

Ellwin

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Keep your insta cast frag proc ready at all times. When the reflect isn't up, boom.

Keep the curse on them always, and spam mages fury.

DKs are no problem at all if you're setup to fight them. The problem is, you're gimped for all other situations when setup to fight the Dks.

i agree. i even take it a step further and count down, firing when there is half a second left. most good stam dks forget to refresh right away and the frag hits just in time. if hes up close and personal i would frag/dawnbreaker simultaneously. with decent spell damage and penetration good chance its game over

Xeven

Ezareth

Derra wrote: »

A sustain build stamina DK is something you won´t beat on your sorc if you´re both equally skilled. You can go for a draw but that´s about it - atleast with builds that are not specifically set up to beat that kind of player.

If you want a counter build. Run two dots. Soulassault. Rapid regen + another heal (or los if it´s not a dueling situation). Mages wrath. Runecage. S&B to counterreflect. Mines - learn to use them. Root.

I don't agree with this at all but some of your advice is sound.

The key to beating DKs is by using S&B with defensive posture and ensuring you use it the moment the reflected frag is about to hit you.

Additionally I use both Degeneration *and* Crit- surge for heals so I have a double chance to proc heals that completely negate the effectiveness of shield breaker in any 1 v 1 encounter.

Defensive Rune will also proc on a reflect which is nice as your reflected projectile will almost always hit them before they can break free and block/dodge roll etc.

Mines are a must against a stam DK as is keeping a mental note of his ultimate so you can dodge roll out of his leap when it comes.

Mages wrath is great, Velocious curse. I'm not a fan of Rapid regen or any heal as it puts you on the defensive and the last thing you want to be doing when fighting someone spamming wrecking blow on you is playing defensive. If you can keep *them* on the defense you'll almost always win.

So Keep boundless Storm, Degeneration and Power Surge up at all times if you can help it and don't be afraid to let fly an overload light attack or a crystal frag if you're ready to counter-reflect it.

Also meteor is not a bad ultimate either as if you double-reflect meteor then it bugs out, becomes invisible and impossible for them to see or block the knock down effect.

Makkir

Ez he said pro sorc advice ;-)

Xeven

Well there is more than one way to skin a DK. =D

SneaK

Just talk them into rerolling magicka.

tist

Curses, mages wrath, streak, mines, entropy. Wait for them to slip with their reflective scales and hit with a proc frag. Hold block just in case he gets a last second reflect.

Rayste

Ezareth wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

A sustain build stamina DK is something you won´t beat on your sorc if you´re both equally skilled. You can go for a draw but that´s about it - atleast with builds that are not specifically set up to beat that kind of player.

If you want a counter build. Run two dots. Soulassault. Rapid regen + another heal (or los if it´s not a dueling situation). Mages wrath. Runecage. S&B to counterreflect. Mines - learn to use them. Root.

I don't agree with this at all but some of your advice is sound.

The key to beating DKs is by using S&B with defensive posture and ensuring you use it the moment the reflected frag is about to hit you.

Additionally I use both Degeneration *and* Crit- surge for heals so I have a double chance to proc heals that completely negate the effectiveness of shield breaker in any 1 v 1 encounter.

Defensive Rune will also proc on a reflect which is nice as your reflected projectile will almost always hit them before they can break free and block/dodge roll etc.

Mines are a must against a stam DK as is keeping a mental note of his ultimate so you can dodge roll out of his leap when it comes.

Mages wrath is great, Velocious curse. I'm not a fan of Rapid regen or any heal as it puts you on the defensive and the last thing you want to be doing when fighting someone spamming wrecking blow on you is playing defensive. If you can keep *them* on the defense you'll almost always win.

So Keep boundless Storm, Degeneration and Power Surge up at all times if you can help it and don't be afraid to let fly an overload light attack or a crystal frag if you're ready to counter-reflect it.

Also meteor is not a bad ultimate either as if you double-reflect meteor then it bugs out, becomes invisible and impossible for them to see or block the knock down effect.

This is good advice but have you put this to use since the patch?

Waffennacht

I have never had difficulty with a DK. But then again im not your typical sorc.

What I like to do is: Shattering Prison + Liquid Lightning, so they are rooted and have a reason to roll/CC break, at which point comes the Crystal Frag. Because they rolled etc they usually don't or can't do anything about frag. Then I just re apply prison and LL.

I was wondering if they can reflect overload. But I use that bar as a finisher with mage's wrath and streak and velacious.

Ezareth

Rayste wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

A sustain build stamina DK is something you won´t beat on your sorc if you´re both equally skilled. You can go for a draw but that´s about it - atleast with builds that are not specifically set up to beat that kind of player.

If you want a counter build. Run two dots. Soulassault. Rapid regen + another heal (or los if it´s not a dueling situation). Mages wrath. Runecage. S&B to counterreflect. Mines - learn to use them. Root.

I don't agree with this at all but some of your advice is sound.

The key to beating DKs is by using S&B with defensive posture and ensuring you use it the moment the reflected frag is about to hit you.

Additionally I use both Degeneration *and* Crit- surge for heals so I have a double chance to proc heals that completely negate the effectiveness of shield breaker in any 1 v 1 encounter.

Defensive Rune will also proc on a reflect which is nice as your reflected projectile will almost always hit them before they can break free and block/dodge roll etc.

Mines are a must against a stam DK as is keeping a mental note of his ultimate so you can dodge roll out of his leap when it comes.

Mages wrath is great, Velocious curse. I'm not a fan of Rapid regen or any heal as it puts you on the defensive and the last thing you want to be doing when fighting someone spamming wrecking blow on you is playing defensive. If you can keep *them* on the defense you'll almost always win.

So Keep boundless Storm, Degeneration and Power Surge up at all times if you can help it and don't be afraid to let fly an overload light attack or a crystal frag if you're ready to counter-reflect it.

Also meteor is not a bad ultimate either as if you double-reflect meteor then it bugs out, becomes invisible and impossible for them to see or block the knock down effect.

This is good advice but have you put this to use since the patch?

Yes I've been playing my Sorc for the past week or two now and shaking out all the rust. I'm still going through adjustments tweaking some enchants and sets and such to fit my playstyle but I'm playing almost exactly as I did in 1.6 except I'm sporting 3600 spell power and woe is the DK who reflects one of my overloads back to me at +20% damage ( =