My Magicka-NB Stats

ChefZero

Hello Guys,

my english isn't that great, so i'm sorry for some mistakes.


Notes to this screenshot: stats are unbuffed. 198 CP. 5 light, 1 mid and 1 heavy armor. No costreduction on jewelry.

On the 2nd bar i use restrostaff. Difference in stats are 35k magicka and 2000 magickareg.

Values to compare: Funnel Health 6333 Tooltipdmg and 6834 Concealed Weapon Tooltipdmg (unbuffed)

1st bar skills: Funnel Health, Crippling Grasp, Merciless Resolve, Invigorating Drain, Dark Cloak and Soul Harvest
2nd bar skills: Structured Entropy, Healing Ward, Efficient Purge, Double Take, Shadow Image and Clouding Swarm

My stats are well and with this setup i'm a monster in 1v1. Never died in a 1v1 and only DKs are hard to kill cause of reflection. I dropped Concealed Weapon from my bar, cause melee-playstyle is much fun but to expensive and since IC-patch it no longer hits through dodgerolls. Nice to know, Invigorating Drain also break block like fear.


I play Magicka-NB for a long time, but since the last big update there are some crazy changes. Magickamanagment is more difficult and overall defense-abilities are more weaker than offensive-abilites now. At the beginning everyone cried about bad TTK, but know many guys got there equipment. The damageincrease with endgame-gear in this update is huge and it's not comparable to the older updates. So the 50& damagedecrease isn't as strong as expected.

1v1 i'm feeling well at the moment, but 1vX is horrible. In 1.6 Magicka-NB was really strong with Healing Ward and you could spam it, even if many enemies sticking on you. But now it's hard to avoid burstdamage against many enemies and cloak isn't that great. At the beginning of IC Magicka-NB was the FOTM, cause of the strong NPCs in it. But they realised, that the don't get any TV-Stone, if NPCs kill the enemies for them. On the other hand, learned the community how to play against this huge amount of cloak-spamming NBs.

At the moment i'm doing difficult for me to enjoy the Magicka-NB gameplay. How do you feel guys?


Greetings ChefZero

JDar

Wow those numbers look great. What sets do you use?

revonine

I'd also like to know what sets your running. Congratulations on that build mate those numbers look sweet!.

ToRelax

Why go for 2hand if you don't go melee? Especially when using Merciless Resolve.

LegacyDM

ChefZero wrote: »

Hello Guys,

my english isn't that great, so i'm sorry for some mistakes.


Notes to this screenshot: stats are unbuffed. 198 CP. 5 light, 1 mid and 1 heavy armor. No costreduction on jewelry.

On the 2nd bar i use restrostaff. Difference in stats are 35k magicka and 2000 magickareg.

Values to compare: Funnel Health 6333 Tooltipdmg and 6834 Concealed Weapon Tooltipdmg (unbuffed)

1st bar skills: Funnel Health, Crippling Grasp, Merciless Resolve, Invigorating Drain, Dark Cloak and Soul Harvest
2nd bar skills: Structured Entropy, Healing Ward, Efficient Purge, Double Take, Shadow Image and Clouding Swarm

My stats are well and with this setup i'm a monster in 1v1. Never died in a 1v1 and only DKs are hard to kill cause of reflection. I dropped Concealed Weapon from my bar, cause melee-playstyle is much fun but to expensive and since IC-patch it no longer hits through dodgerolls. Nice to know, Invigorating Drain also break block like fear.


I play Magicka-NB for a long time, but since the last big update there are some crazy changes. Magickamanagment is more difficult and overall defense-abilities are more weaker than offensive-abilites now. At the beginning everyone cried about bad TTK, but know many guys got there equipment. The damageincrease with endgame-gear in this update is huge and it's not comparable to the older updates. So the 50& damagedecrease isn't as strong as expected.

1v1 i'm feeling well at the moment, but 1vX is horrible. In 1.6 Magicka-NB was really strong with Healing Ward and you could spam it, even if many enemies sticking on you. But now it's hard to avoid burstdamage against many enemies and cloak isn't that great. At the beginning of IC Magicka-NB was the FOTM, cause of the strong NPCs in it. But they realised, that the don't get any TV-Stone, if NPCs kill the enemies for them. On the other hand, learned the community how to play against this huge amount of cloak-spamming NBs.

At the moment i'm doing difficult for me to enjoy the Magicka-NB gameplay. How do you feel guys?


Greetings ChefZero

How are you getting 2445 spell power while maintaining 1893 magicka regen? With only 198 CPs using a two hander?

ChefZero

JDar wrote: »

Wow those numbers look great. What sets do you use?

3x Willpower, 3x Magnus Gift and 5x Kagrenacs Hope

ToRelax wrote: »

Why go for 2hand if you don't go melee? Especially when using Merciless Resolve.

Why 2h? Cause the Heavy Weapons passiv is much stronger than Twin Blade and Blunt from DW. There is a thread about this matter:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212729/two-handed-or-dual-wield-for-magicka-builds/p1

Why is Merciless Resolve on my 1st bar? Cause the damageproc is much stronger than on the restrobar. Most times i use this only for damagebuff, but if i need the proc, i swap weapons, spam some lightattacks with restrostaff and swap back to activate the proc.

LegacyDM

ChefZero wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Wow those numbers look great. What sets do you use?

3x Willpower, 3x Magnus Gift and 5x Kagrenacs Hope

ToRelax wrote: »

Why go for 2hand if you don't go melee? Especially when using Merciless Resolve.

Why 2h? Cause the Heavy Weapons passiv is much stronger than Twin Blade and Blunt from DW. There is a thread about this matter:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212729/two-handed-or-dual-wield-for-magicka-builds/p1

Why is Merciless Resolve on my 1st bar? Cause the damageproc is much stronger than on the restrobar. Most times i use this only for damagebuff, but if i need the proc, i swap weapons, spam some lightattacks with restrostaff and swap back to activate the proc.

None of the sets you are wearing provide spell power. How are you getting 2445 base?

revonine

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Wow those numbers look great. What sets do you use?

3x Willpower, 3x Magnus Gift and 5x Kagrenacs Hope

ToRelax wrote: »

Why go for 2hand if you don't go melee? Especially when using Merciless Resolve.

Why 2h? Cause the Heavy Weapons passiv is much stronger than Twin Blade and Blunt from DW. There is a thread about this matter:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212729/two-handed-or-dual-wield-for-magicka-builds/p1

Why is Merciless Resolve on my 1st bar? Cause the damageproc is much stronger than on the restrobar. Most times i use this only for damagebuff, but if i need the proc, i swap weapons, spam some lightattacks with restrostaff and swap back to activate the proc.

None of the sets you are wearing provide spell power. How are you getting 2445 base?

Wha? Kagneracs is now the Hundings Rage of Spell Power (5pc bonus) and willpower 3pc is spell power too.

LegacyDM

revonine wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Wow those numbers look great. What sets do you use?

3x Willpower, 3x Magnus Gift and 5x Kagrenacs Hope

ToRelax wrote: »

Why go for 2hand if you don't go melee? Especially when using Merciless Resolve.

Why 2h? Cause the Heavy Weapons passiv is much stronger than Twin Blade and Blunt from DW. There is a thread about this matter:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212729/two-handed-or-dual-wield-for-magicka-builds/p1

Why is Merciless Resolve on my 1st bar? Cause the damageproc is much stronger than on the restrobar. Most times i use this only for damagebuff, but if i need the proc, i swap weapons, spam some lightattacks with restrostaff and swap back to activate the proc.

None of the sets you are wearing provide spell power. How are you getting 2445 base?

Wha? Kagneracs is now the Hundings Rage of Spell Power (5pc bonus) and willpower 3pc is spell power too.

I'm sorry but how is this the hundings rage of spell power?

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Kagrenac's+Hope+Set

If bonus 5 does include Increase Spell Damage by [x] that doesn't account for his High spell power # of 2445 using a two hander in addition to the fact he has no armor giving +spell damage? Now I don't know what he is using for jewelry but even if he had max spell damage on rings and neck I'm at a loss on how he has reached 2445 with a two hander.

Is his spell power high due to having 37K magicka? If that is the case, what is the point of spell damage if all people have to do is stack +magicka to get a better result?

ChefZero

@joshdm2001_ESO

_Proteus_

Nice setup, but IMO you could do with a lot less health and even more magicka if you are running food, since the damage nerf means that you probably won't ever be one shot with 20k hp (even dawnbreaker from a sorc only crits for about 10k on a vamp!).

My setup does about 300 less damage than yours on the concealed tooltip, but I have about 2330 ish regen (unbuffed) with less CP than you. I like that you can choose between regen and more max magicka (damage) this patch!

Reeko

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

revonine wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Wow those numbers look great. What sets do you use?

3x Willpower, 3x Magnus Gift and 5x Kagrenacs Hope

ToRelax wrote: »

Why go for 2hand if you don't go melee? Especially when using Merciless Resolve.

Why 2h? Cause the Heavy Weapons passiv is much stronger than Twin Blade and Blunt from DW. There is a thread about this matter:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212729/two-handed-or-dual-wield-for-magicka-builds/p1

Why is Merciless Resolve on my 1st bar? Cause the damageproc is much stronger than on the restrobar. Most times i use this only for damagebuff, but if i need the proc, i swap weapons, spam some lightattacks with restrostaff and swap back to activate the proc.

None of the sets you are wearing provide spell power. How are you getting 2445 base?

Wha? Kagneracs is now the Hundings Rage of Spell Power (5pc bonus) and willpower 3pc is spell power too.

I'm sorry but how is this the hundings rage of spell power?

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Kagrenac's+Hope+Set

If bonus 5 does include Increase Spell Damage by [x] that doesn't account for his High spell power # of 2445 using a two hander in addition to the fact he has no armor giving +spell damage? Now I don't know what he is using for jewelry but even if he had max spell damage on rings and neck I'm at a loss on how he has reached 2445 with a two hander.

Is his spell power high due to having 37K magicka? If that is the case, what is the point of spell damage if all people have to do is stack +magicka to get a better result?

Spell dmg on jewelry has been buffed. V16 legendary now gives 174 spell damage.

Kragnacs hope gives 224.

Thats 746 spell damage just from that.

Willpower set gives spell dmg as well.

Without kragnacs hope im sitting at 2400 spell damage.

He is also on what appears to be a buff campaign giving i believe 8% to his spell dmg?

ChefZero

_Proteus_ wrote: »

Nice setup, but IMO you could do with a lot less health and even more magicka if you are running food, since the damage nerf means that you probably won't ever be one shot with 20k hp (even dawnbreaker from a sorc only crits for about 10k on a vamp!).

Wrong. Damage is higher, defense is worse than before IC. You can eat dawnbreaker over 12k, wrecking blow over 14k, snipe with 12k + camouflaged hunter big proc 8k and small proc 3k + heavy attack 10k with animation canceling in the same time...

AllPlayAndNoWork

@ChefZero

Can you tell me did you go divines on small armour pieces and infused on your larger armour pieces ?

Knootewoot

Looks great. Also I don't use concealed weapon anymore but swallow soul.. Damage is about the same but costs half the magicka. I also have 2.4k spell damage but 2.6 k regen.

I wear

3 pieces Archemage V16 yellow and divined
4 pieces magnus V16 yellow divined
3 willpower jewels (1 arcane but rings healthy because they are expensive). 2 with spell power and 1 with regen
2 torug pact (dual wield sword V16 purple nirnhorned in 20 days now sharpened)

I use for mundus Atronach but can switch for 2.9k damage and 1.6 regen quick by changing to apprentice stone.

Also I cannot kill DK's. If I use concealed, I have to stand in a puddle of fire. If I use swallow soul they use flappy wings.

The burst on stamina is much higher, but then mean mostly spam Wrecking blow. I like the NB utilities more.

But why Merciless Resolve and not Relentless focus. I try to stay out of melee range so I rather have the extra stamina regeneration when it's up since I won't use light attacks anyway to build up the momentum. Although I do want to use the spectral bow but that means I need to get close first.

Septimus_Magna

Looks good, you could switch out the 3x Magnus pieces for 3x Arch Mage (if you can get it with Infused/Divines) to increase spell dmg even more.

ChefZero

@AllPlayAndNoWork Yes i did.

@Knootewoot I don't need more staminareg, cause i use staminapots. Besides 10% on 663 staminareg aren't worth it. Also i use lightattacks only on restrostaff to build up the proc and avoid meleecombat.

@Septimus_Magna No matter, atm im grinding stuff for reroll on StamNB. They got more burst and better utility.

revonine

ChefZero wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna No matter, atm im grinding stuff for reroll on StamNB. They got more burst and better utility.

With sword and board yeah maybe but the traditional 2H/dual wield and bow the utility is there but you can't use it as often (lower magicka). Sure the burst is higher.

ChefZero

revonine wrote: »

With sword and board yeah maybe but the traditional 2H/dual wield and bow the utility is there but you can't use it as often (lower magicka). Sure the burst is higher.

I wanna go S&B and bow. Also Shadow Image and Double Take are magicka-skills with no need to spam it.

revonine

ChefZero wrote: »

revonine wrote: »

With sword and board yeah maybe but the traditional 2H/dual wield and bow the utility is there but you can't use it as often (lower magicka). Sure the burst is higher.

I wanna go S&B and bow. Also Shadow Image and Double Take are magicka-skills with no need to spam it.

Oh cool. Go for it man it's fun. People really don't expect a NB that can reflect projectiles. I've wrecked so so many sorcs with their own overload or crystal frags. Using their own attacks to set up your burst. Priceless.

Knootewoot

ChefZero wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna No matter, atm im grinding stuff for reroll on StamNB. They got more burst and better utility.

Meh I stay magicka for a while. But stamina NB has all the good things

--> better burst
--> can heal while in stealth (rally/vigor)
--> can use rally to increase weapon power in stealth (magicka skills need target to do it)
--> more stamina to get away
--> cc immunity (shuffle and manouvres. For my magicka I just don't have the stamina for manouvres)

I got all the stuff for a stamblade (dual weapons gold, bow, 2-handed, agility rings/necklace and golden set of hunding 5pcs and 3 ashen pcs) though. I might try my old hybrid build with it someday.

Septimus_Magna

Knootewoot wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna No matter, atm im grinding stuff for reroll on StamNB. They got more burst and better utility.

Meh I stay magicka for a while. But stamina NB has all the good things

--> better burst
--> can heal while in stealth (rally/vigor)
--> can use rally to increase weapon power in stealth (magicka skills need target to do it)
--> more stamina to get away
--> cc immunity (shuffle and manouvres. For my magicka I just don't have the stamina for manouvres)

I got all the stuff for a stamblade (dual weapons gold, bow, 2-handed, agility rings/necklace and golden set of hunding 5pcs and 3 ashen pcs) though. I might try my old hybrid build with it someday.

What about magicka for Cloak, Fear and Double Take?

On my magicka NB (only v1 atm) I can spam those skills as much as I like, you only need stamina to break-free, after that you have 8 second CC immunity (if CC immunity works) in which you can get away. You really dont need to sprint much with Double Take + Cloak (with Conceiled Weapon slotted).

The heal from Rally is pretty useless, I think most stam NBs are using Forward Momentum. And if you cast Healing Ward before Cloaking the heal itself wont pull you out of stealth (the cast does pull you out of stealth ofc).

The synergy with magicka NBs and being a vamp is very nice because you can use Harness Magicka to mitigate fire damage.

The Prox Deto + Cloak + Lotus Fan + Fear + Invis Bats combo is great for bursting someone down, magicka NBs burst damage is quite good imo and if you fail to burst someone down you can always Cloak and set up your burst again.

I agree stam NBs have better damage but magicka NBs utility is superior in every way.

ChefZero

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

The Prox Deto + Cloak + Lotus Fan + Fear + Invis Bats combo is great for bursting someone down, magicka NBs burst damage is quite good imo and if you fail to burst someone down you can always Cloak and set up your burst again.

I agree stam NBs have better damage but magicka NBs utility is superior in every way.

Great for burst? Deto less damage against single target, Lotus fan dot, bats dot too...

Knootewoot

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna No matter, atm im grinding stuff for reroll on StamNB. They got more burst and better utility.

Meh I stay magicka for a while. But stamina NB has all the good things

--> better burst
--> can heal while in stealth (rally/vigor)
--> can use rally to increase weapon power in stealth (magicka skills need target to do it)
--> more stamina to get away
--> cc immunity (shuffle and manouvres. For my magicka I just don't have the stamina for manouvres)

I got all the stuff for a stamblade (dual weapons gold, bow, 2-handed, agility rings/necklace and golden set of hunding 5pcs and 3 ashen pcs) though. I might try my old hybrid build with it someday.

What about magicka for Cloak, Fear and Double Take?

On my magicka NB (only v1 atm) I can spam those skills as much as I like, you only need stamina to break-free, after that you have 8 second CC immunity (if CC immunity works) in which you can get away. You really dont need to sprint much with Double Take + Cloak (with Conceiled Weapon slotted).

The heal from Rally is pretty useless, I think most stam NBs are using Forward Momentum. And if you cast Healing Ward before Cloaking the heal itself wont pull you out of stealth (the cast does pull you out of stealth ofc).

The synergy with magicka NBs and being a vamp is very nice because you can use Harness Magicka to mitigate fire damage.

The Prox Deto + Cloak + Lotus Fan + Fear + Invis Bats combo is great for bursting someone down, magicka NBs burst damage is quite good imo and if you fail to burst someone down you can always Cloak and set up your burst again.

I agree stam NBs have better damage but magicka NBs utility is superior in every way.

Agree on that. That's why I am magicka, because I love the utilities. But I am pretty new to magblade so I need to learn a lot. I always been Stamblade since beta and hybrid in between (until 1.7). Also I need to level much of the skills still.

For me it feels like CC immunity never works though. If someone spams Wrecking blow I fly through the air multiple times.

Septimus_Magna

Knootewoot wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna No matter, atm im grinding stuff for reroll on StamNB. They got more burst and better utility.

Meh I stay magicka for a while. But stamina NB has all the good things

--> better burst
--> can heal while in stealth (rally/vigor)
--> can use rally to increase weapon power in stealth (magicka skills need target to do it)
--> more stamina to get away
--> cc immunity (shuffle and manouvres. For my magicka I just don't have the stamina for manouvres)

I got all the stuff for a stamblade (dual weapons gold, bow, 2-handed, agility rings/necklace and golden set of hunding 5pcs and 3 ashen pcs) though. I might try my old hybrid build with it someday.

What about magicka for Cloak, Fear and Double Take?

On my magicka NB (only v1 atm) I can spam those skills as much as I like, you only need stamina to break-free, after that you have 8 second CC immunity (if CC immunity works) in which you can get away. You really dont need to sprint much with Double Take + Cloak (with Conceiled Weapon slotted).

The heal from Rally is pretty useless, I think most stam NBs are using Forward Momentum. And if you cast Healing Ward before Cloaking the heal itself wont pull you out of stealth (the cast does pull you out of stealth ofc).

The synergy with magicka NBs and being a vamp is very nice because you can use Harness Magicka to mitigate fire damage.

The Prox Deto + Cloak + Lotus Fan + Fear + Invis Bats combo is great for bursting someone down, magicka NBs burst damage is quite good imo and if you fail to burst someone down you can always Cloak and set up your burst again.

I agree stam NBs have better damage but magicka NBs utility is superior in every way.

Agree on that. That's why I am magicka, because I love the utilities. But I am pretty new to magblade so I need to learn a lot. I always been Stamblade since beta and hybrid in between (until 1.7). Also I need to level much of the skills still.

For me it feels like CC immunity never works though. If someone spams Wrecking blow I fly through the air multiple times.

Yeah, CC immunity is very unreliable. I dont know if its tied to certain skills but its really annoying.

This is one of the reasons why I rolled a Bosmer magicka NB, enough stamina regen to break-free or dodge roll often and the increased invis damage is nice. Personally I would advice to get at least one stam regen bonus from gear if you're dont get if from the racial passives.