Pvp

F4LL3N_Z3UC3

Obviously sorcs are a bit easier to kill now days, but these night blades are broken to the point where it makes me SO mad... and I'm hard to make mad imo.. WHY are they able to fear someone and CONTINUE damage on them while they can't break CC. Why are they STILL able disappear from under your nose at the rate they are able to?, half way across the map? does anyone have any tips fighting a night blade like this? who fights you from a range and dodge rolls/dissapears on everything you throw at them?

F4LL3N_Z3UC3

the fear tactic HAS to be fixed... You SHOULD NOT be able to fear someone and still be able to damage them. DOTS? yeah sure... But taking them down to nothing while i sit and cry in the corner, unable to do anything is making the class broke.

PLEASE FIX THIS.

Wollust

Isn't the idea of fear exactly to drop their defense to damage them? Isn't that how more or less any cc works?

And there is a few cc skills that seem to have Problems with breakfree. So the problem lies more in the breakfreemechanic than in the skill itself..

Igglez

DK's can stonefist and damage. Templars can piercing Javelin and damage. Dont see the problem.

Jprip88b16_ESO

Igglez wrote: »

DK's can stonefist and damage. Templars can piercing Javelin and damage. Dont see the problem.

U do know that DK stone fist and Templars javalin aint a CC right?

Azarath_tiberius

Jprip88b16_ESO wrote: »

Igglez wrote: »

DK's can stonefist and damage. Templars can piercing Javelin and damage. Dont see the problem.

U do know that DK stone fist and Templars javalin aint a CC right?

What? lol, those are CC abilities..

Jprip88b16_ESO

If they are CC skills why dont they go true block like every other CC skill them? example Mass hystria

Azarath_tiberius

They dont have to go through block.. CC is generally every skill that stuns you or even roots you. Wikipedia it next time

Jprip88b16_ESO

So since Wikipedia seems to think that a 3 sec stun is a CC... then i have to laugh since CC stands for crowd control and is an skill that last for longer time not 3 sec's... IF u look at swordNboard power slam stun and CC for 15 sec IF the target is not hit afterwards.. go to any other MMO and say that a 3 sec stun is a CC and people will laugh

Lets take a Look at DAOC the game this is supposed to be molded after.. in DAOC there are a little thing called Mezz that effects either a lot of people or a single target, a Mezz last from anywhere to 10sec - 1min+ where Numb a shield skills that stun for 2 sec aint a CC

Azarath_tiberius

Ok since you are such a MMO veteran, what are those called? Are they simple dps abilities?

In most MMOs people use the term CC to describe the same thing, a stun OR an immobilize (even though the second is not entirely correct). Havent heard about mezz for about.. 10 years? if you say mezz now most people will laugh or even ask you wtf is that?

Mojmir

CC-crowd control not carbon copy

Azarath_tiberius

Mojmir wrote: »

CC-crowd control not carbon copy

No one said anything about carbon copy or carbon dioxide or even comedy central. Although, this turns into the last one a bit.

Jprip88b16_ESO

Javalin and stone fist is just a simple stun nothing else fancy, its something u use to get a free hit in, or like in DAOC u used stun to then use Positional attacks for the ekstra bonus of being on the enemy side or back... since there is no Positional attacks in ESO stun is just a way to get a free hit in or stop someone from running

Azarath_tiberius

That's a CC non the less. It doesn't have to do with how long the enemy is stunned, it can be 20seconds or even 3 seconds. Its still a type of CC which the enemy has to go through certain action to get out of it (cc break).

Jprip88b16_ESO

If ZOS seems to want us to think that Stone fist or javalin are CC skills like Mass hystira. Runic prison. fossalize then it should go true block like they do, or it simple do not go under the same category of skill... to have CC's that go true blocking and then there are some that dont, do not make sense and should then not be seen as the same type of skill

But i can understand its hard for people to understand who have been feed and grown up in the MMORPG scene by World of warcraft milk

Azarath_tiberius

I guess people just moved forward and since all those different skills (mezz, sleep, stun etc etc) did the same thing just groupped them up into one description - CC.

But I can understand that its hard for old people to understand, who have been fed and grown up with an old MMO mind set. Isn't it like that?

AshTal

Being jumped by 2 night blades runs the following Fear damage 5 seconds fear again damage 5 seconds repeat until dead. As for the clock it's insanely too good so easy to escape if fear tattic does not work.

Ganj

What the hell ahaha. Why can templar heal himself and his allies so often!??!? Why can sorcerers streak!? What is this game why it isnt like tetris!?!? Why cant i just farm next to my base in safe dont touch me.

Alucardo

Jprip88b16_ESO wrote: »

U do know that DK stone fist and Templars javalin aint a CC right?

Anything that incapacitates you or pushes you away can be deemed as a form of CC.

OT: There has been numerous threads dedicated to destroying the NBs ability to stealth. Have a read - it's all there. I also have no problems breaking fear. Sometimes I purposely save my stamina and let it runs its course. For example, you get feared in a group fight while taking heavy AoE damage, but the NB isn't actually targeting you. The fear sends you running the opposite direction out of the fight so you can recover.. sometimes it's better not to break free. Saved my butt a few times last night. Thanks Nightblades!
On your point of not being able to damage feared targets - that's just stupid. You're asking for a class to give their enemies invulnerability for a duration of time? lol

Tomato

Why can a DK do the most op thing ever? Just take hits to the face

F4LL3N_Z3UC3

i just don't think that a person should be able to FEAR and continue to damage that said person and it not break free from the effect and not give them the opportunity to break free. if i get feared, i know I'm dead now. My shields in PVP have been reduced by 50% and honestly thats nothing.. thats one crit from someone.

F4LL3N_Z3UC3

Alucardo wrote: »

Jprip88b16_ESO wrote: »

U do know that DK stone fist and Templars javalin aint a CC right?

Anything that incapacitates you or pushes you away can be deemed as a form of CC.

OT: There has been numerous threads dedicated to destroying the NBs ability to stealth. Have a read - it's all there. I also have no problems breaking fear. Sometimes I purposely save my stamina and let it runs its course. For example, you get feared in a group fight while taking heavy AoE damage, but the NB isn't actually targeting you. The fear sends you running the opposite direction out of the fight so you can recover.. sometimes it's better not to break free. Saved my butt a few times last night. Thanks Nightblades!
On your point of not being able to damage feared targets - that's just stupid. You're asking for a class to give their enemies invulnerability for a duration of time? lol

Sorc's have the Rune prison which Locks them in place and they can't do anything (unless they break free) for 20 seconds. BUT the effect stops when they take damage from anything other than DoT's.

Alucardo

F4LL3N_Z3UC3 wrote: »

Sorc's have the Rune prison which Locks them in place and they can't do anything (unless they break free) for 20 seconds. BUT the effect stops when they take damage from anything other than DoT's.

It's a prison. You can't attack people in prison, unless you're sharing the same cell. But someone from the outside can't touch them. Makes sense to me.

Wollust

F4LL3N_Z3UC3 wrote: »

i just don't think that a person should be able to FEAR and continue to damage that said person and it not break free from the effect and not give them the opportunity to break free. if i get feared, i know I'm dead now. My shields in PVP have been reduced by 50% and honestly thats nothing.. thats one crit from someone.

Very sad that you can't crit shield though.
With that being said, you sound like the standard QQer who got outplayed hard and is mad now because other players are better?

leepalmer95

F4LL3N_Z3UC3 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Jprip88b16_ESO wrote: »

U do know that DK stone fist and Templars javalin aint a CC right?

Anything that incapacitates you or pushes you away can be deemed as a form of CC.

OT: There has been numerous threads dedicated to destroying the NBs ability to stealth. Have a read - it's all there. I also have no problems breaking fear. Sometimes I purposely save my stamina and let it runs its course. For example, you get feared in a group fight while taking heavy AoE damage, but the NB isn't actually targeting you. The fear sends you running the opposite direction out of the fight so you can recover.. sometimes it's better not to break free. Saved my butt a few times last night. Thanks Nightblades!
On your point of not being able to damage feared targets - that's just stupid. You're asking for a class to give their enemies invulnerability for a duration of time? lol

Sorc's have the Rune prison which Locks them in place and they can't do anything (unless they break free) for 20 seconds. BUT the effect stops when they take damage from anything other than DoT's.

If your on console i found it's better to press one and then the other button to break cc than it is to try and press them both at the same time because some times it fails.

Though i'm not sure why people are even comparing mass hysteria to jav or stone fist, they are not in the same league.

F4LL3N_Z3UC3

Wollust wrote: »

F4LL3N_Z3UC3 wrote: »

i just don't think that a person should be able to FEAR and continue to damage that said person and it not break free from the effect and not give them the opportunity to break free. if i get feared, i know I'm dead now. My shields in PVP have been reduced by 50% and honestly thats nothing.. thats one crit from someone.

Very sad that you can't crit shield though.
With that being said, you sound like the standard QQer who got outplayed hard and is mad now because other players are better?

before the patch there weren't many night blades that could beat me. in fact the ones i do beat are the ones not using the fear and and now all of a sudden i can't touch someone who uses it. just for some reason can't beat it or break out of it. not sure what you mean by "QQer" though