How are you mean't to deal with stam nb's?

Aunatar

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Aunatar wrote: »

Has someone seen Soulac's build? He posted it on the forum.
It's very simple and easy to achieve, even with different gear (tried in PTS, many combinations give pretty much the same stats) high weapon dmg and high resource regeneration (both magicka and stamina).
Cloak, without any reduction, costs about 3500 magicka and lasts 3.5 seconds. You can easily get to 1200 magicka regen with drinks.

Let's pretend you have a pool of 9000 magicka, 0 CP in magician, 0 light armor pieces, 0 cost reduction glyphs and you never break your cloak:
--Without potions; X=time to run OOM in seconds
(3500/3,5)X = 9000+(1200/2)X | X= 22,5s | 22,5s/3.5s= (6,4) 6 Cloaks without going out of stealth
--Now after a V15 tri-stat potion when you are OOM, but still invisible (7391 magicka+major intellect); Y=time added from a potion
(3500/3,5)Y =7391+(1200*1,2/2)Y | Y=26,4s |
Total time spent being invisible= X+Y = (22,5+26,4)s = 48,9 seconds of TOTAL INVISIBILITY [which means almost 14 cloaks (13,9)]

Now, just to compare.. Try to streak or roll dodge for 48,9 seconds with your MAIN (not secondary) resource pool

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STOP MISINFORMATION

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Except Cloak is only 2.9 seconds...

And you have to then switch to magicka regen focus instead of stamina which then wrecks your build anyway

Just to quote Soulac's build:
"3.4k Wpndmg
26.6k Stamina
19.4k Health
1.8k MagReg (~1.9k on 2h with cloak on it and >2.2k once they fix the formula)
2.880 StamReg (~3.2 - 3.3k once they fix the formula)"
Does it look like something that wrecks your build?

Forestd16b14_ESO

Spam wrecking blow seem to be the only way to PvP now.

Tavore1138

Aunatar wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Aunatar wrote: »

Has someone seen Soulac's build? He posted it on the forum.
It's very simple and easy to achieve, even with different gear (tried in PTS, many combinations give pretty much the same stats) high weapon dmg and high resource regeneration (both magicka and stamina).
Cloak, without any reduction, costs about 3500 magicka and lasts 3.5 seconds. You can easily get to 1200 magicka regen with drinks.

Let's pretend you have a pool of 9000 magicka, 0 CP in magician, 0 light armor pieces, 0 cost reduction glyphs and you never break your cloak:
--Without potions; X=time to run OOM in seconds
(3500/3,5)X = 9000+(1200/2)X | X= 22,5s | 22,5s/3.5s= (6,4) 6 Cloaks without going out of stealth
--Now after a V15 tri-stat potion when you are OOM, but still invisible (7391 magicka+major intellect); Y=time added from a potion
(3500/3,5)Y =7391+(1200*1,2/2)Y | Y=26,4s |
Total time spent being invisible= X+Y = (22,5+26,4)s = 48,9 seconds of TOTAL INVISIBILITY [which means almost 14 cloaks (13,9)]

Now, just to compare.. Try to streak or roll dodge for 48,9 seconds with your MAIN (not secondary) resource pool

---

STOP MISINFORMATION

---

Except Cloak is only 2.9 seconds...

And you have to then switch to magicka regen focus instead of stamina which then wrecks your build anyway

Just to quote Soulac's build:
"3.4k Wpndmg
26.6k Stamina
19.4k Health
1.8k MagReg (~1.9k on 2h with cloak on it and >2.2k once they fix the formula)
2.880 StamReg (~3.2 - 3.3k once they fix the formula)"
Does it look like something that wrecks your build?

well i'd be down 3k health and over 10k stamina for a start, hard to say on regen because it depends on how that would impact on ability costs (i.e. i sustain a lot by cost reduction). Also depends on how many cp spent where.

Master_Kas

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

They also have so much dmg compare to other classes.

Templars have so much Healing compared to other classes.

Yet templars can't cloak past mobs and escape?, also with 1.7 stam nb's have lots of healing rally+vigor is gg.

Well you can't really say they can escape through mobs buhu nerf cloak. There is after all a PvP zone outside IC which doesn't have tons of npcs. So don't even think of balancing it because of how IC is layed out.

Funny how nightblades are by far the easiet class for me to Kill both on My mana nb, stam nb and magicka sorc. People write alot of trash without even testing playing nightblade. Because if you did you would know how people love to spam aoes, curses etc when a players know there is a nightblade present trying to cloak away.

Not even Talking about Those using radiant magelight / detectpots making all their allies nearby see you aswell.

On top of that with this update alot of nbs have started slotting piercing mark. That's all it takes for one to see you. Good luck purging it (twice as it doesn't get removed by one purge) as a stamina nb.

My stamnb can roll 7 times before OOS IF I spam it . Bosmer 7 med , blue regen drinks. This is out if combat.

Want to take a guess how many shields My sorcerer can spam before running OOM using food? With drinks it would be even more stupid.

Edit: hard to take them out of stealth ? You are joking right? You make me sick.

Edit2: highest damage? You probably haven't run into Any of Those dks with high migration who don't need to roll alot and who can burst you down in one wrecking blow-> leap-> execute? You are so hard on a nerf nightblade parade. L2P

Aunatar

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Aunatar wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Aunatar wrote: »

Has someone seen Soulac's build? He posted it on the forum.
It's very simple and easy to achieve, even with different gear (tried in PTS, many combinations give pretty much the same stats) high weapon dmg and high resource regeneration (both magicka and stamina).
Cloak, without any reduction, costs about 3500 magicka and lasts 3.5 seconds. You can easily get to 1200 magicka regen with drinks.

Let's pretend you have a pool of 9000 magicka, 0 CP in magician, 0 light armor pieces, 0 cost reduction glyphs and you never break your cloak:
--Without potions; X=time to run OOM in seconds
(3500/3,5)X = 9000+(1200/2)X | X= 22,5s | 22,5s/3.5s= (6,4) 6 Cloaks without going out of stealth
--Now after a V15 tri-stat potion when you are OOM, but still invisible (7391 magicka+major intellect); Y=time added from a potion
(3500/3,5)Y =7391+(1200*1,2/2)Y | Y=26,4s |
Total time spent being invisible= X+Y = (22,5+26,4)s = 48,9 seconds of TOTAL INVISIBILITY [which means almost 14 cloaks (13,9)]

Now, just to compare.. Try to streak or roll dodge for 48,9 seconds with your MAIN (not secondary) resource pool

---

STOP MISINFORMATION

---

Except Cloak is only 2.9 seconds...

And you have to then switch to magicka regen focus instead of stamina which then wrecks your build anyway

Just to quote Soulac's build:
"3.4k Wpndmg
26.6k Stamina
19.4k Health
1.8k MagReg (~1.9k on 2h with cloak on it and >2.2k once they fix the formula)
2.880 StamReg (~3.2 - 3.3k once they fix the formula)"
Does it look like something that wrecks your build?

well i'd be down 3k health and over 10k stamina for a start, hard to say on regen because it depends on how that would impact on ability costs (i.e. i sustain a lot by cost reduction). Also depends on how many cp spent where.

Even with less CP, stats would be similar, and he has 1.8k magicka regen. just tune it down a bit to compensate your lack of CP on stamina regen and there you are

Aunatar

Master_Kas wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

They also have so much dmg compare to other classes.

Templars have so much Healing compared to other classes.

Yet templars can't cloak past mobs and escape?, also with 1.7 stam nb's have lots of healing rally+vigor is gg.

Want to take a guess how many shields My sorcerer can spam before running OOM using food? With drinks it would be even more stupid.

Btw streak, roll dodge and cloak are escaping tools, shields aren't. It's like a templar spamming breath of life, or a DK spamming dragon bllod (even if it's useless, ok)

leepalmer95

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

rank is a lot easier to get than rank 7, if people hardly pvp they can easily get rank 5.

You stop making excuses?

'Use that really hard to unlock ability and you'll be fine'

Then use one of the other 8 counters for cloak.

You mean the potion with a 45 second cooldown which the nb can just wait 12 seconds before coming back.

Have you tried killing them after you use the detect potion, instead of standing there and letting them run away?

Have you seen how fast some nb's are in cloak?

Running out of valid point, resorting to sarcasm.

Have you tried playing a class that not op.

To be fast you need to run one of the sets that negate movement penalty in stealth - they are available to all classes and builds. Or you can roll vamp, which anyone can do too.

As for 8 counters to cloak... (and I assume I can't count the fact it still does not actually work right?)

- Flare and morphs.
- Caltrops
- Veil of blades
- Talons (at least pretty sure about that)
- Banner
- Steelnado
- Det Potions
- Detection range armour sets
- Impulse
- Nova
- That light thingy from the mage guild.

That's 11 and I could go on...

Your just naming random aoe's

eNumbra

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Your just naming random aoe's

Pssst. AoEs break stealth.

leepalmer95

Master_Kas wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

They also have so much dmg compare to other classes.

Templars have so much Healing compared to other classes.

Yet templars can't cloak past mobs and escape?, also with 1.7 stam nb's have lots of healing rally+vigor is gg.

Well you can't really say they can escape through mobs buhu nerf cloak. There is after all a PvP zone outside IC which doesn't have tons of npcs. So don't even think of balancing it because of how IC is layed out.

Funny how nightblades are by far the easiet class for me to Kill both on My mana nb, stam nb and magicka sorc. People write alot of trash without even testing playing nightblade. Because if you did you would know how people love to spam aoes, curses etc when a players know there is a nightblade present trying to cloak away.

Not even Talking about Those using radiant magelight / detectpots making all their allies nearby see you aswell.

On top of that with this update alot of nbs have started slotting piercing mark. That's all it takes for one to see you. Good luck purging it (twice as it doesn't get removed by one purge) as a stamina nb.

My stamnb can roll 7 times before OOS IF I spam it . Bosmer 7 med , blue regen drinks. This is out if combat.

Want to take a guess how many shields My sorcerer can spam before running OOM using food? With drinks it would be even more stupid.

Edit: hard to take them out of stealth ? You are joking right? You make me sick.

Edit2: highest damage? You probably haven't run into Any of Those dks with high migration who don't need to roll alot and who can burst you down in one wrecking blow-> leap-> execute? You are so hard on a nerf nightblade parade. L2P

You have 2 nb's so ofc your defending.

Also stop with the stupidly exaggerated facts, no dk can kill some with a wb/leap/execute, it will not put you in that range, the heavy dk's also don't do a lot of dmg.

Also considering IC is the only way to get v15/16 equip i can compare IC as the actual pvp zone, only people who don't have IC pvp out of it.

Have you actually read the thread or just read cloak/nb must defend the Op ness.

Have you tried not using you 1.6 infinite dodge build? try combining cloak + dodge.

Funny as all nb's say nb's are the easiest to kill...

Reeko

Aunatar wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Aunatar wrote: »

Has someone seen Soulac's build? He posted it on the forum.
It's very simple and easy to achieve, even with different gear (tried in PTS, many combinations give pretty much the same stats) high weapon dmg and high resource regeneration (both magicka and stamina).
Cloak, without any reduction, costs about 3500 magicka and lasts 3.5 seconds. You can easily get to 1200 magicka regen with drinks.

Let's pretend you have a pool of 9000 magicka, 0 CP in magician, 0 light armor pieces, 0 cost reduction glyphs and you never break your cloak:
--Without potions; X=time to run OOM in seconds
(3500/3,5)X = 9000+(1200/2)X | X= 22,5s | 22,5s/3.5s= (6,4) 6 Cloaks without going out of stealth
--Now after a V15 tri-stat potion when you are OOM, but still invisible (7391 magicka+major intellect); Y=time added from a potion
(3500/3,5)Y =7391+(1200*1,2/2)Y | Y=26,4s |
Total time spent being invisible= X+Y = (22,5+26,4)s = 48,9 seconds of TOTAL INVISIBILITY [which means almost 14 cloaks (13,9)]

Now, just to compare.. Try to streak or roll dodge for 48,9 seconds with your MAIN (not secondary) resource pool

---

STOP MISINFORMATION

---

Except Cloak is only 2.9 seconds...

And you have to then switch to magicka regen focus instead of stamina which then wrecks your build anyway

Just to quote Soulac's build:
"3.4k Wpndmg
26.6k Stamina
19.4k Health
1.8k MagReg (~1.9k on 2h with cloak on it and >2.2k once they fix the formula)
2.880 StamReg (~3.2 - 3.3k once they fix the formula)"
Does it look like something that wrecks your build?

How in the hell? I'm a magicka build with Atronach stone, divines, and drink i only get to 1.8k regen. How the hell does he achieve those stats?

Master_Kas

Aunatar wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

They also have so much dmg compare to other classes.

Templars have so much Healing compared to other classes.

Yet templars can't cloak past mobs and escape?, also with 1.7 stam nb's have lots of healing rally+vigor is gg.

Want to take a guess how many shields My sorcerer can spam before running OOM using food? With drinks it would be even more stupid.

Btw streak, roll dodge and cloak are escaping tools, shields aren't. It's like a templar spamming breath of life, or a DK spamming dragon bllod (even if it's useless, ok)

Rolldodge is NOT an escape. It is an active defense such as damageshields, blocking.

Passive defense = migation (spell res/armor)

Escapes = streak , cloak, teleport shade, mist form.

Master_Kas

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

They also have so much dmg compare to other classes.

Templars have so much Healing compared to other classes.

Yet templars can't cloak past mobs and escape?, also with 1.7 stam nb's have lots of healing rally+vigor is gg.

Well you can't really say they can escape through mobs buhu nerf cloak. There is after all a PvP zone outside IC which doesn't have tons of npcs. So don't even think of balancing it because of how IC is layed out.

Funny how nightblades are by far the easiet class for me to Kill both on My mana nb, stam nb and magicka sorc. People write alot of trash without even testing playing nightblade. Because if you did you would know how people love to spam aoes, curses etc when a players know there is a nightblade present trying to cloak away.

Not even Talking about Those using radiant magelight / detectpots making all their allies nearby see you aswell.

On top of that with this update alot of nbs have started slotting piercing mark. That's all it takes for one to see you. Good luck purging it (twice as it doesn't get removed by one purge) as a stamina nb.

My stamnb can roll 7 times before OOS IF I spam it . Bosmer 7 med , blue regen drinks. This is out if combat.

Want to take a guess how many shields My sorcerer can spam before running OOM using food? With drinks it would be even more stupid.

Edit: hard to take them out of stealth ? You are joking right? You make me sick.

Edit2: highest damage? You probably haven't run into Any of Those dks with high migration who don't need to roll alot and who can burst you down in one wrecking blow-> leap-> execute? You are so hard on a nerf nightblade parade. L2P

You have 2 nb's so ofc your defending.

Also stop with the stupidly exaggerated facts, no dk can kill some with a wb/leap/execute, it will not put you in that range, the heavy dk's also don't do a lot of dmg.

Also considering IC is the only way to get v15/16 equip i can compare IC as the actual pvp zone, only people who don't have IC pvp out of it.

Have you actually read the thread or just read cloak/nb must defend the Op ness.

Have you tried not using you 1.6 infinite dodge build? try combining cloak + dodge.

Funny as all nb's say nb's are the easiest to kill...

I never played permaroll build. I always Combine it with a cloak.

You see I have two nbs but not my other chars? I play all classes. Tough I main a NB yes. Have Done since I got this game.

Don't try teach me how to use cloak or roll as I'm pretty sure I have more experience with the class than you do.

I'm defending what is wrong. Highest damage? Nope all stamina build can pull out similar damage except from stealth. But then again nightblade is the stealth/assassin/burst based

I Read the entré thread and all your comments.

I play sorcerer most (after My nb) and I have proof/videos of it .

You have Any proof of playing nightblade and being so Op as you claim? I guess not. Just a forum nerf nerf whiner.


And about the person who wrote about soulacs build. 98% of the nightblades in this game don't have the gear nor knowledge/skill that he has. Most nb's play really bad imo, specially the rerolled ones who wanted to be op.

Until you show me some proof that you play nb your worlds are meaningless.

But Carry on, cry all you want. Even if/when cloak gets nerfed you'll start whining about next thing that is you think is op.

Master_Kas

@leepalmer95

Also a stamina dk well built can threeshot you specially if you are running drinks with said combo.

I have 2 dks aswell . One stamina, one magicka. So again, why you only points out I have 2 nightblades but Skipped My other chars?

MrGigglypants

The Tears and lack of players who actually roll a nb. Yet no one even notices the magicka Templar meta that is looming.

MrGigglypants

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Templars healing and running away with just pull the mobs he runs into, a templar will not escape.
Everything eventually drops aggro, templars will escape just fine.

A nb will cloak as he's being chased and bypass the mobs leading the people chasing to aggro them.

AND?

No seriously. AND? It's a Nightblade. He's sneaky. He's an opportunistic, illusion-wielding scout/assassin/thief... etc. The whole damn point of the Nightblade is just that. Cloak and stealth.
Complaining that Nightblades can cloak away from fights is kind of like... wait for it - complaining that Templars can heal.

As I've already said, there's about a dozen of these threads less than a week old. You have all your answers for countering them there.

I'm complaining about the fact it's extremely hard to take them out of stealth and the fact they can claok past mobs.

Stam nb's at the moment.

Highest survivability because of dodge roll, inf cloak, vigor + rally.
Highest dmg.
Can sneak past all mobs
Can easily escape any situation they want too.

There were on par with sorc in 1.6 and now there leagues ahead.

there is not a bit of accuracy to you're statement. Sorcs are essentially the same so long as they aren't fighting a shield breaker set. running vigor and rally isn't optimal and if they run either they get 4x cloaks and either have to drink a potion for 3 more or be gone. spear shards+ detect potions/ or any other aoe for that matter still nullifies cloak. The QQ is real. and most sustain in the game? have you seen magicka Templars lately? 2 bol full health in pvp? vigor is 8k over 5 seconds.

leepalmer95

MrGigglypants wrote: »

The Tears and lack of players who actually roll a nb. Yet no one even notices the magicka Templar meta that is looming.

Master_Kas wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

They also have so much dmg compare to other classes.

Templars have so much Healing compared to other classes.

Yet templars can't cloak past mobs and escape?, also with 1.7 stam nb's have lots of healing rally+vigor is gg.

Well you can't really say they can escape through mobs buhu nerf cloak. There is after all a PvP zone outside IC which doesn't have tons of npcs. So don't even think of balancing it because of how IC is layed out.

Funny how nightblades are by far the easiet class for me to Kill both on My mana nb, stam nb and magicka sorc. People write alot of trash without even testing playing nightblade. Because if you did you would know how people love to spam aoes, curses etc when a players know there is a nightblade present trying to cloak away.

Not even Talking about Those using radiant magelight / detectpots making all their allies nearby see you aswell.

On top of that with this update alot of nbs have started slotting piercing mark. That's all it takes for one to see you. Good luck purging it (twice as it doesn't get removed by one purge) as a stamina nb.

My stamnb can roll 7 times before OOS IF I spam it . Bosmer 7 med , blue regen drinks. This is out if combat.

Want to take a guess how many shields My sorcerer can spam before running OOM using food? With drinks it would be even more stupid.

Edit: hard to take them out of stealth ? You are joking right? You make me sick.

Edit2: highest damage? You probably haven't run into Any of Those dks with high migration who don't need to roll alot and who can burst you down in one wrecking blow-> leap-> execute? You are so hard on a nerf nightblade parade. L2P

You have 2 nb's so ofc your defending.

Also stop with the stupidly exaggerated facts, no dk can kill some with a wb/leap/execute, it will not put you in that range, the heavy dk's also don't do a lot of dmg.

Also considering IC is the only way to get v15/16 equip i can compare IC as the actual pvp zone, only people who don't have IC pvp out of it.

Have you actually read the thread or just read cloak/nb must defend the Op ness.

Have you tried not using you 1.6 infinite dodge build? try combining cloak + dodge.

Funny as all nb's say nb's are the easiest to kill...

I never played permaroll build. I always Combine it with a cloak.

You see I have two nbs but not my other chars? I play all classes. Tough I main a NB yes. Have Done since I got this game.

Don't try teach me how to use cloak or roll as I'm pretty sure I have more experience with the class than you do.

I'm defending what is wrong. Highest damage? Nope all stamina build can pull out similar damage except from stealth. But then again nightblade is the stealth/assassin/burst based

I Read the entré thread and all your comments.

I play sorcerer most (after My nb) and I have proof/videos of it .

You have Any proof of playing nightblade and being so Op as you claim? I guess not. Just a forum nerf nerf whiner.


And about the person who wrote about soulacs build. 98% of the nightblades in this game don't have the gear nor knowledge/skill that he has. Most nb's play really bad imo, specially the rerolled ones who wanted to be op.

Until you show me some proof that you play nb your worlds are meaningless.

But Carry on, cry all you want. Even if/when cloak gets nerfed you'll start whining about next thing that is you think is op.

It's generally not worth replying to people like you, you say everyone cry's nerf, yet why do they do it? For fun?

People cried about sorc last patch

People complaining about nb's this patch.

This dlc is made for nb's.

I'm not even going to bother explaining to you why most aoe's are useless vs nb's. Your mindset is obvious already.

leepalmer95

MrGigglypants wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Templars healing and running away with just pull the mobs he runs into, a templar will not escape.
Everything eventually drops aggro, templars will escape just fine.

A nb will cloak as he's being chased and bypass the mobs leading the people chasing to aggro them.

AND?

No seriously. AND? It's a Nightblade. He's sneaky. He's an opportunistic, illusion-wielding scout/assassin/thief... etc. The whole damn point of the Nightblade is just that. Cloak and stealth.
Complaining that Nightblades can cloak away from fights is kind of like... wait for it - complaining that Templars can heal.

As I've already said, there's about a dozen of these threads less than a week old. You have all your answers for countering them there.

I'm complaining about the fact it's extremely hard to take them out of stealth and the fact they can claok past mobs.

Stam nb's at the moment.

Highest survivability because of dodge roll, inf cloak, vigor + rally.
Highest dmg.
Can sneak past all mobs
Can easily escape any situation they want too.

There were on par with sorc in 1.6 and now there leagues ahead.

there is not a bit of accuracy to you're statement. Sorcs are essentially the same so long as they aren't fighting a shield breaker set. running vigor and rally isn't optimal and if they run either they get 4x cloaks and either have to drink a potion for 3 more or be gone. spear shards+ detect potions/ or any other aoe for that matter still nullifies cloak. The QQ is real. and most sustain in the game? have you seen magicka Templars lately? 2 bol full health in pvp? vigor is 8k over 5 seconds.

You get a 15% stam and mag passive... i'm not going to bother.

Go look up that other build a few people have mentioned.

Lava_Croft

People complaining about AoE skills not being able to catch Nightblades might want to have a chat with the Nightblades that constantly try to cloak away while Sap Essence says no.

leepalmer95

Lava_Croft wrote: »

People complaining about AoE skills not being able to catch Nightblades might want to have a chat with the Nightblades that constantly try to cloak away while Sap Essence says no.

Again nb's countering nb's...

Lava_Croft

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

People complaining about AoE skills not being able to catch Nightblades might want to have a chat with the Nightblades that constantly try to cloak away while Sap Essence says no.

Again nb's countering nb's...

Because only Nightblades have gap closers and AoE skills.

leepalmer95

Lava_Croft wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

People complaining about AoE skills not being able to catch Nightblades might want to have a chat with the Nightblades that constantly try to cloak away while Sap Essence says no.

Again nb's countering nb's...

Because only Nightblades have gap closers and AoE skills.

gap closer don't hit if they cloak... there are certain aoe's that work ok, but the majority don't because most nb's are now vamps.

I decided to just spam razor caltraps.

Speely

MrGigglypants wrote: »

The Tears and lack of players who actually roll a nb. Yet no one even notices the magicka Templar meta that is looming.

SHH!

RadioheadSh0t

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

rank is a lot easier to get than rank 7, if people hardly pvp they can easily get rank 5.

You stop making excuses?

'Use that really hard to unlock ability and you'll be fine'

Then use one of the other 8 counters for cloak.

You mean the potion with a 45 second cooldown which the nb can just wait 12 seconds before coming back.

Have you tried killing them after you use the detect potion, instead of standing there and letting them run away?

Have you seen how fast some nb's are in cloak?

Running out of valid point, resorting to sarcasm.

Have you tried playing a class that not op.

To be fast you need to run one of the sets that negate movement penalty in stealth - they are available to all classes and builds. Or you can roll vamp, which anyone can do too.

As for 8 counters to cloak... (and I assume I can't count the fact it still does not actually work right?)

- Flare and morphs.
- Caltrops
- Veil of blades
- Talons (at least pretty sure about that)
- Banner
- Steelnado
- Det Potions
- Detection range armour sets
- Impulse
- Nova
- That light thingy from the mage guild.

That's 11 and I could go on...

Fear
Sap
Lightning Flood
Lightning form
Streak
Encase
Inhale

My biggest complaint about the streak nerf was not about escaping, but streaking NBs from stealth and cloak.

Truewavesound

Personally, I find Nightblades (stam OR Mahicka) the easiest class to get down (possible helped by lots of clueless rerollers playing them atm). They're definitely powerful but there are ways to deal with them.

Soulac

Reeko wrote: »

Aunatar wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Aunatar wrote: »

Has someone seen Soulac's build? He posted it on the forum.
It's very simple and easy to achieve, even with different gear (tried in PTS, many combinations give pretty much the same stats) high weapon dmg and high resource regeneration (both magicka and stamina).
Cloak, without any reduction, costs about 3500 magicka and lasts 3.5 seconds. You can easily get to 1200 magicka regen with drinks.

Let's pretend you have a pool of 9000 magicka, 0 CP in magician, 0 light armor pieces, 0 cost reduction glyphs and you never break your cloak:
--Without potions; X=time to run OOM in seconds
(3500/3,5)X = 9000+(1200/2)X | X= 22,5s | 22,5s/3.5s= (6,4) 6 Cloaks without going out of stealth
--Now after a V15 tri-stat potion when you are OOM, but still invisible (7391 magicka+major intellect); Y=time added from a potion
(3500/3,5)Y =7391+(1200*1,2/2)Y | Y=26,4s |
Total time spent being invisible= X+Y = (22,5+26,4)s = 48,9 seconds of TOTAL INVISIBILITY [which means almost 14 cloaks (13,9)]

Now, just to compare.. Try to streak or roll dodge for 48,9 seconds with your MAIN (not secondary) resource pool

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STOP MISINFORMATION

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Except Cloak is only 2.9 seconds...

And you have to then switch to magicka regen focus instead of stamina which then wrecks your build anyway

Just to quote Soulac's build:
"3.4k Wpndmg
26.6k Stamina
19.4k Health
1.8k MagReg (~1.9k on 2h with cloak on it and >2.2k once they fix the formula)
2.880 StamReg (~3.2 - 3.3k once they fix the formula)"
Does it look like something that wrecks your build?

How in the hell? I'm a magicka build with Atronach stone, divines, and drink i only get to 1.8k regen. How the hell does he achieve those stats?

Willows Path.

How to deal with Stamina nb's? Heal debuff.
DKs could also use burning embers, breaking cloak once with a 100% chance.
Don't ask why or how, it just does.

OurOwn

Radiant Magelite doesn't give major prophecy (spell critical). It has a sight of 10m which is worthless against them as outside of that 10m it's worthless. Seems like it doesn't even work sometimes..

Reeko

Soulac wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Aunatar wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Aunatar wrote: »

Has someone seen Soulac's build? He posted it on the forum.
It's very simple and easy to achieve, even with different gear (tried in PTS, many combinations give pretty much the same stats) high weapon dmg and high resource regeneration (both magicka and stamina).
Cloak, without any reduction, costs about 3500 magicka and lasts 3.5 seconds. You can easily get to 1200 magicka regen with drinks.

Let's pretend you have a pool of 9000 magicka, 0 CP in magician, 0 light armor pieces, 0 cost reduction glyphs and you never break your cloak:
--Without potions; X=time to run OOM in seconds
(3500/3,5)X = 9000+(1200/2)X | X= 22,5s | 22,5s/3.5s= (6,4) 6 Cloaks without going out of stealth
--Now after a V15 tri-stat potion when you are OOM, but still invisible (7391 magicka+major intellect); Y=time added from a potion
(3500/3,5)Y =7391+(1200*1,2/2)Y | Y=26,4s |
Total time spent being invisible= X+Y = (22,5+26,4)s = 48,9 seconds of TOTAL INVISIBILITY [which means almost 14 cloaks (13,9)]

Now, just to compare.. Try to streak or roll dodge for 48,9 seconds with your MAIN (not secondary) resource pool

---

STOP MISINFORMATION

---

Except Cloak is only 2.9 seconds...

And you have to then switch to magicka regen focus instead of stamina which then wrecks your build anyway

Just to quote Soulac's build:
"3.4k Wpndmg
26.6k Stamina
19.4k Health
1.8k MagReg (~1.9k on 2h with cloak on it and >2.2k once they fix the formula)
2.880 StamReg (~3.2 - 3.3k once they fix the formula)"
Does it look like something that wrecks your build?

How in the hell? I'm a magicka build with Atronach stone, divines, and drink i only get to 1.8k regen. How the hell does he achieve those stats?

Willows Path.

How to deal with Stamina nb's? Heal debuff.
DKs could also use burning embers, breaking cloak once with a 100% chance.
Don't ask why or how, it just does.

I had forgotten about that set. Will have to look into that for pvp. Thanks for the clarification!

blur

*double post

blur

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Theres so many of them everywhere, inf cloak combine with ambush/suprise attack spam is horrible to deal with.

I rarely see Stamblades and they don't have infinite cloak.
Ambush/Surprise attack spam? Have you ever tried using block?

So much false information in this thread and others like it.

killingspreeb16_ESO

A sorc QQ about NB strange!pick a counter and slot on your bar gg cloak countered!(it's hard to streak on the nb or apply daedeic curse?or one of many other counter)and sorc dmg is insane 9.7k shard followed by 5-6 k daedric curse is more than 50% of my health and you say NB have to much dmg?sorc have mobity cc high defense and insane dmg and you cry about other class? Im sorry this is not 1.6 with your sorc god mode (and they still the top class)but after reading youre post on every sorc thread im sure youre one of those sorc that rerolled in 1.6