The Sorcerer Nerf

Acwellan

Hi

I want to share my finding following the game update to IC.

Have played for several months and levelled my sorcerer to vr16. Since the patch he is a heck of a lot weaker, in so many ways. I mainly use dual wield swords with mage skill set up to empower the frag. I have a harden shell shield and unbound aegis. This leaving one spot which atm I am using the aoe curse which is also a good set up for a frag if it procs. On the other hand I have a pve set up for aoe ing, using a desto staff.

I know the dual shielding needed to be dealt with but since the update having a shield on is almost meaningless. I have been one-shotted by npcs and players even when I have a full shield and health. The shield barely covers a 1/4 of the health bar and tends to disappear after one hit. Mostly I find it stops me from dying in two hits from normal mobs.

To me it also seems our damage has been nerfed beyond that of other classes. My spell power/damage is just over 3k and if I use a mage ability as a set up for crystal frags (empower) then I will hit a level 16 mob in IC for about 15% of their health. Without empower its 5-10% I sometimes run with a sword and board DK who has a purely defensive build and his light attacks do the same as my un-empowered attacks but I will run out of mana.......

Fighting with a Templar or a NB shows you just how weak you are. They are hitting the mob for 30-50% of their health something that me and other sorcs I play with just cannot do even with our ultimate. Dawn breaker is the best doing about a 1/3 of the mobs (norm level 16 IC mob) but I suspect that is because the mobs are mostly undead or deadra.

I can safely kill one level 16 mob, taking a bit of damage, 2 mobs and there is a chance of death 3 mobs and I will most probably die. Its mostly because I run out of mana. Regen seems to have also been reduced. I kill 2 mobs and that's about it for my mana (36k) Then if there are more mobs its either run away or try and meele/staff.

Our attack damage in pvp, I know, has been reduced. However I think it has gone too far. When I am fighting level vr1-6 class, casting 4-5 crystal frags into them, combining this with curses, empowering the frag, shielding etc I am finding that, whereas I use to be able to kill a low vr rank with 2-3 spells, now 5-6 spells landing results in the enemy losing around 50% of their health and me most of my mana. You can guess the result.

I know a lot of other people who play other classes will say we had it too good for too long but OMG we suck now. We are not a glass cannon anymore more like a leaking glass water pistol.

I do wonder if perhaps I have just not adapted to the changes and am using the wrong skill set, or perhaps need to change my build to a stamina sorc? I was fooling around with d mines and the fire rune which can do well in such enclosed spaces. Is the shield even worth it anymore, is the bound aegis armour?

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

NBBuckBuck

Sorcs got screwed over man. Although NBs can still one shot people with focused aim, but that is "a clever use of game mechanics"

Mumyo

U didnt adapt well i assume, i know plenty of sorcerers that still hit very hard (like WTF just hit me hard).
and if u compare mobs, many classes have their advantages in different things, as a templar i hit pretty hard with camouflaged hunter and jabs because each jab hit can make it procc.

On the other hand many people now run around in heavy armor and stack spellpen as armor.
U truly must have a wrong skillset or build if u have lots of issues.
In any case u still have that 20kish shield....

lolo_01b16_ESO

In pvp v1-13 players got their hp buffed quiet a lot, so they can survive longer. But they will do low damage as long as they don't disable their hp boost, so they shouldn't be able to kill you unless they are much more skilled or outnumber you.

ToRelax

@Mumyo you just came back?

Lava_Croft

NBBuckBuck wrote: »

Sorcs got screwed over man. Although NBs can still one shot people with focused aim, but that is "a clever use of game mechanics"

Because Focused Aim is a Nightblade skill...

Mumyo

ToRelax wrote: »

@Mumyo you just came back?

yes

AshTal

I feel the same but I suspect it's cuz I am casual Argonian and when they look at getting the need bat out they see 25k shields not my crappy 9k but I get hit with the need too

xXNesTXx

Dude, i am in the opposite situation, i am a Sta NB and i feel that sorcs are op than hell....so i starting to think that the game is trash right now.....the huge damage reduction necessary to run this kind of Sword & Magic version of Call of Duty called Imperial City turns the game (PVP part) in a serious shi****t

Waiting to this changes are reverted or a fix....or bye bye Elder Scroll Online

killingspreeb16_ESO

Lava_Croft wrote: »

NBBuckBuck wrote: »

Sorcs got screwed over man. Although NBs can still one shot people with focused aim, but that is "a clever use of game mechanics"

Because Focused Aim is a Nightblade skill...

Archer=NB no exception!

Acts

This patch is going to weed out those sorcs that relied on the OP'ness that the sorcs offered in 1.6.

For those true sorcs out there, they will adapt and still rain supreme.

Gerardopg

I'm a sorcerer and I'm doing so Much better with this patch than the last one, better sd, better recovery, and I feel my sorcerer working better.

Ernest145

Acts wrote: »

This patch is going to weed out those sorcs that relied on the OP'ness that the sorcs offered in 1.6.

For those true sorcs out there, they will adapt and still rain supreme.

^^^^^^^^^^^^
I just finished creating my sorc build and they are far from weak. People saying majicka sorc got destroyed this patch is probably just a bad player.

Ernest145

xXNesTXx wrote: »

Dude, i am in the opposite situation, i am a Sta NB and i feel that sorcs are op than hell....so i starting to think that the game is trash right now.....the huge damage reduction necessary to run this kind of Sword & Magic version of Call of Duty called Imperial City turns the game (PVP part) in a serious shi****t

Waiting to this changes are reverted or a fix....or bye bye Elder Scroll Online

Umm the damage nerf is high but I still manage to get really high damage, so you might need to work on your build. This patch despite a few minor things isn't all too bad.

Waffennacht

Are you all dps sorcs? I have found that low level vets in numbers aee far more difficult to kill (infact spent... what 7 minutes facing down 3 low levels at once)

Im a tank sorc, im looking for some dps spells that can make up the difference. Is shattering prison good in PvP? What is a good cc for sorcs?

Oh btw found a nice site that had the dps of all abilities on a chart, sorcs consistently middle to lower middle (only exception is liquid lightning but that is a PvE ability) the only two comparable dps moves are frags and mage's wrath

Acwellan

Thanks for the replies. I do think I need to adapt my sorcerer so would welcome some details of the skill set being used by those sorcs saying they feel they are doing ok.

I also wanted to clarify that this is just in imperial city.

Have been playing my DK and notice crystal frags do not hurt at all like they used to. So I wonder if that spell was also nerfed. All ties in I guess.

Been seeing a few sorcs with the ball of lighting - stun, mines, teleport, curse, trying to wear people down. Also saw a sword and board sorc.

Will watch the boards for developing builds but again any help/advise gratefully received.

Gerardopg

Im running 5 kagrenacs, 3 willpower, 2 tortugs and molag a Kena shoulders, my spell damage is better than the last patch, and my recovery went up too, I have spell damage enchantments in the jewelry and prismatic enchantments in the big pieces of armor, with infused trait, all the small pieces are divines with magicka enchantments, my mundus stone is magicka recovery and Ibhage like 2.8k sd and 1.7 recovery, unbuffed, I'm buffing my health recovery with potions and spell damage with power surge, so I think I'm better now but with the damage reduction in cyrodill I still hit like a wet noodle, but that's for all the classes

Docmandu

Acwellan wrote: »

When I am fighting level vr1-6 class, casting 4-5 crystal frags into them, combining this with curses, empowering the frag, shielding etc I am finding that, whereas I use to be able to kill a low vr rank with 2-3 spells, now 5-6 spells landing results in the enemy losing around 50% of their health and me most of my mana.

That's because they enabled Battle Levelling for sub VR16 characters. Before those players were cannon fodder, no damage and no health. Now they get 30k health and some resists.. hence why they're not 1 shot fodder anymore.


BTW: if 5-6 spells only take a player down for 15K, then I think you need to reconsider your own gear :-)

Johngo0036

I personally feel like a total noob in this game now,
Having said that i think that VR16 Gear and Jewelry does play a role,

Also the ability to adapt as you now need to sustain your damage,
No More
WHAM, BAM, THANK YOU MA'AM.....

Digiman

Did you not understand Eric Wrobels changes? Magicka for healing stamina for dealing.

Point is cloth is now only meant for healing and if you thought it magicka DPS you missed the alert in the previous page to attest to such.

Lead combat designer hates magicka ranged DPS, get it through your head. If you want to stop then ask ZoS to drop him like heavy sack of salt.

Point I am making is that Eric Wrobel is wreaking this MMO for his goals, he doesn't care about class balance only what just happens he fancies.

He said shield breaker is a niche despite that addons will it macro quick. He doesn't think ahead only what he wants for him, ESO would be better without him here any second.

xXNesTXx

NBBuckBuck wrote: »

Sorcs got screwed over man. Although NBs can still one shot people with focused aim, but that is "a clever use of game mechanics"

If you have some videos of this, please, share it because since the last patch, bow is a most weak weapon for PVP in this game

Being honest, doing some test with all my characters in PVP all this days in can say that sorcerer are the less affected by the damage reduction, even this patch make the difference too much biggest, turning sorcerer class in a *** OP class (PVP is full of new sorcerers trying to level up so fast they can)

Before the patch (With a assumable difference between classes)

1º sorcs
2º NB
3º DK
4º Templar

After the patch (With a insane difference between 1st and "7th")

1º Sorcs
2º Sorcs
3º Sorcs
4º Sorcs
5º Templar
6º DK
7º NB

Makkir

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This guy....


When did ZOS add Troll as a new class?

xXNesTXx

Makkir wrote: »

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This guy....


When did ZOS add Troll as a new class?

sorcerer, true?

Makkir

xXNesTXx wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

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This guy....


When did ZOS add Troll as a new class?

sorcerer, true?

14 yrs old, true?

leepalmer95

xXNesTXx wrote: »

NBBuckBuck wrote: »

Sorcs got screwed over man. Although NBs can still one shot people with focused aim, but that is "a clever use of game mechanics"

If you have some videos of this, please, share it because since the last patch, bow is a most weak weapon for PVP in this game

Being honest, doing some test with all my characters in PVP all this days in can say that sorcerer are the less affected by the damage reduction, even this patch make the difference too much biggest, turning sorcerer class in a *** OP class (PVP is full of new sorcerers trying to level up so fast they can)

Before the patch (With a assumable difference between classes)

1º sorcs
2º NB
3º DK
4º Templar

After the patch (With a insane difference between 1st and "7th")

1º Sorcs
2º Sorcs
3º Sorcs
4º Sorcs
5º Templar
6º DK
7º NB

This patch:

1* Nb's
2* Sorc
3* Dk + Templars

Theres no change from last patch only this patch everything got nerfed apart from nb's and it's stupidly hard to get nb's out of cloak and the low players run around with 35k-40k hp now.

xXNesTXx

Makkir wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

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This guy....


When did ZOS add Troll as a new class?

sorcerer, true?

14 yrs old, true?

Yes, a sorcerer without capacity of argue....

Omgwtfbbq321

If you take battle leaving out of it, Sorcs are definitely not op. At V16 my shield (hardened ward) + health combined is only 22k. I see on average people rolling around with 30k+ health. To top it off, shields don't have resistance. so for 8k of that "health" I take 100%of the damage.

I also wear light armor, so even less survivability. Sure I can hit reasonably hard. But I guarantee, if you are reasonably good, you will likely kill my 18k squishy HP+Shield combo before I pick away at your 30k+ resisted health.

..and if I am recasting ward... I am not hitting you so just wasting magika really.

Omgwtfbbq321

leveling*

jelliedsoup

NBBuckBuck wrote: »

Sorcs got screwed over man. Although NBs can still one shot people with focused aim, but that is "a clever use of game mechanics"

Lol this is the funniest post I've read in a while.

I will snipe from stealth for 6k. And a frag ranges in damage from 6 ~10k.

You were screwed all right.

Tankqull

Acwellan wrote: »

Hi

I want to share my finding following the game update to IC.

Have played for several months and levelled my sorcerer to vr16. Since the patch he is a heck of a lot weaker, in so many ways. I mainly use dual wield swords with mage skill set up to empower the frag. I have a harden shell shield and unbound aegis. This leaving one spot which atm I am using the aoe curse which is also a good set up for a frag if it procs. On the other hand I have a pve set up for aoe ing, using a desto staff.

I know the dual shielding needed to be dealt with but since the update having a shield on is almost meaningless. I have been one-shotted by npcs and players even when I have a full shield and health. The shield barely covers a 1/4 of the health bar and tends to disappear after one hit. Mostly I find it stops me from dying in two hits from normal mobs.

To me it also seems our damage has been nerfed beyond that of other classes. My spell power/damage is just over 3k and if I use a mage ability as a set up for crystal frags (empower) then I will hit a level 16 mob in IC for about 15% of their health. Without empower its 5-10% I sometimes run with a sword and board DK who has a purely defensive build and his light attacks do the same as my un-empowered attacks but I will run out of mana.......

Fighting with a Templar or a NB shows you just how weak you are. They are hitting the mob for 30-50% of their health something that me and other sorcs I play with just cannot do even with our ultimate. Dawn breaker is the best doing about a 1/3 of the mobs (norm level 16 IC mob) but I suspect that is because the mobs are mostly undead or deadra.

I can safely kill one level 16 mob, taking a bit of damage, 2 mobs and there is a chance of death 3 mobs and I will most probably die. Its mostly because I run out of mana. Regen seems to have also been reduced. I kill 2 mobs and that's about it for my mana (36k) Then if there are more mobs its either run away or try and meele/staff.

well i´m not having any sustain issues even though i´m only having 27k mana (using blue red drinks though) ... maybe you should spend a few more setbonis into magica reg...

Acwellan wrote: »

Our attack damage in pvp, I know, has been reduced. However I think it has gone too far. When I am fighting level vr1-6 class, casting 4-5 crystal frags into them, combining this with curses, empowering the frag, shielding etc I am finding that, whereas I use to be able to kill a low vr rank with 2-3 spells, now 5-6 spells landing results in the enemy losing around 50% of their health and me most of my mana. You can guess the result.

I know a lot of other people who play other classes will say we had it too good for too long but OMG we suck now. We are not a glass cannon anymore more like a leaking glass water pistol.

I do wonder if perhaps I have just not adapted to the changes and am using the wrong skill set, or perhaps need to change my build to a stamina sorc? I was fooling around with d mines and the fire rune which can do well in such enclosed spaces. Is the shield even worth it anymore, is the bound aegis armour?

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

you have realised the changes in battlelvling? instead of their former 14k life all non v14+ chars do have 35-40k hp now(not dealing any dmg but thats a nother issue :P)... so the increased killing time has nothing to do with decresed dmg in this regard.

xarguideb17_ESO

As a stam nb in pvp i've only found sorcs unbeatable. Especially one Daennerys in EU server. Sick shields and damage. Probably tons of cp help. Gotta get that shield beaker set.