The Outrage Mage - Acts Sorc PVP build

Yonkit

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Just a learned precaution, many people in the past have flipped out if I try to offer suggestions or advice so I try to appear as non-critical as possible. It's hard for an absolutist like me to moderate my tone properly in text.

I've found that the best players can be successful in about any old gear which is why you've been successful. Min/maxing your gear and distribution further will just make you more OP. I'm really starting to look forward to my own return to my sorc, so perhaps we'll have a little rampage through the sewers someday soon ( ;

It is time for some Sorcs R Us!

Acts wrote: »

Nu, Stay on ur NB, So when I run into you, I can Keel you xD .
Also lookin forward to it.

You have to get past the Healbot to kill the Fearbot

@Cinnamon_Spider Been there, done that, given I had a healing ward being spammed on me the entire fight but still, totally killed you both 1v2 (Also don't say lag, I'll slap you if you say lag!)

Panda, someone else spamming healing ward on you made it a 2v2 and now that my router has been fixed there is no way that would happen again

@Cinnamon_Spider lies, give me back my bugged dawnbreaker and patch where my whip didn't do 3k damage, and I'd get you gud with a dawnbreaker proxy bomb right off da bat, then whip whip whip whip Ez through his roll spam ^_^

Ellwin

nice video. i feel your low on stam. cc's are messy this patch and too many stam users to dodge. i have 20k stam while still having a magicka pool of 37k. if you can work with 11k stam thats great. for my style of play that would be impossible. just a thought

Ellwin

Acts

@ladyshadow 20k Stam for a mag sorc?
I am usually running around 9k but it's those willpower rings with Stam chants
Tho to have 37k mag and 20k Stam, you have to have low spell damage or regen

Cinnamon_Spider

ladyshadow wrote: »

nice video. i feel your low on stam. cc's are messy this patch and too many stam users to dodge. i have 20k stam while still having a magicka pool of 37k. if you can work with 11k stam thats great. for my style of play that would be impossible. just a thought

Ellwin

You don't need anywhere near that much stam on a magic sorc. You just need decent stam regen.

ToRelax

Imo, a decent stam pool was very useful in 1.6, to stay in fight and finish off opponents easier by dodge casting (I had 16k).
But now with the dodging nerf, you don't even want consecutive rolls if possible, so no reason to invest into max stam.

Ellwin

Acts wrote: »

@ladyshadow 20k Stam for a mag sorc?
I am usually running around 9k but it's those willpower rings with Stam chants
Tho to have 37k mag and 20k Stam, you have to have low spell damage or regen

you may think that but its just cause your not utilizing passives
fully buffed 3k spell damage 3.5k with continuous attack
1600-1700 regen with a ton of reduced cost

problem is too many people spamming cc skills on me. like ambush and dawnbreaker for example. drains alot of stam to break several times. i dont feel 9k is near enough to sustain against more then a 1 person fight.

also for the other comment..there is nothing you can do to gain proper stam regen on a sorc unless your playing bosmer or running a drink build. you will end up sacrificing things you need otherwise

Ezareth

ladyshadow wrote: »

Acts wrote: »

@ladyshadow 20k Stam for a mag sorc?
I am usually running around 9k but it's those willpower rings with Stam chants
Tho to have 37k mag and 20k Stam, you have to have low spell damage or regen

you may think that but its just cause your not utilizing passives
fully buffed 3k spell damage 3.5k with continuous attack
1600-1700 regen with a ton of reduced cost

problem is too many people spamming cc skills on me. like ambush and dawnbreaker for example. drains alot of stam to break several times. i dont feel 9k is near enough to sustain against more then a 1 person fight.

also for the other comment..there is nothing you can do to gain proper stam regen on a sorc unless your playing bosmer or running a drink build. you will end up sacrificing things you need otherwise

As a sorc you have a single drain on your stamina resources. Break-free at worse once per 8 seconds. You should never block or dodge roll, only replenish shields.

Stamina pool is irrelevant as long as you have enough stam regen to break-free every 8 seconds (including tri-pot use)

Ellwin

Ezareth wrote: »

As a sorc you have a single drain on your stamina resources. Break-free at worse once per 8 seconds. You should never block or dodge roll, only replenish shields.

Stamina pool is irrelevant as long as you have enough stam regen to break-free every 8 seconds (including tri-pot use)
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thats foolish talk and thats what gets ppl killed. if your not worrying about blocking meteors, frags, and charges your gonna die. i not saying its nessesary to block everything but a seasoned player knows heavy damage thats also a cc, should be blocked

Digiman

All stats no action! A really poor video to support such a build.

Acts

@ladyshadow you do not need to block almost anything.
Only time I go to block is for a WB that I cant move out of in time or to animation cancel.

@Digiman I know I know I have some decent clips to make a vid already but waiting for those shock and awe clips but zergs

Ezareth

ladyshadow wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

As a sorc you have a single drain on your stamina resources. Break-free at worse once per 8 seconds. You should never block or dodge roll, only replenish shields.

Stamina pool is irrelevant as long as you have enough stam regen to break-free every 8 seconds (including tri-pot use)

thats foolish talk and thats what gets ppl killed. if your not worrying about blocking meteors, frags, and charges your gonna die. i not saying its nessesary to block everything but a seasoned player knows heavy damage thats also a cc, should be blocked

@Ladyshadow It hurts you to block most things. Instead of blocking, refresh your shields right before the blow hits. If you're not CC immune then you're vulnerable. You can't really begin your damage rotation unless you can ensure you're CC immune. Take the shot, trust in your shields, break free and get CC immunity. If you have shields up blocking doesn't reduce damage at all. Your shields cant be crit. No 1 blow can break through a properly set up sorcs shields. It's all a numbers game.

Cinnamon_Spider

It's even worse if you're blocking with a stave. Just recast ward and streak them. Save your stamina for when it's needed.

ToRelax

I know a lot of Sorcs think like that, but if you don't use block and roll dodge you're not pushing to the limit of what is possible in outnumbered fights - or you're gonna die of course. Not saying you should use it a lot. But being able to use 2 stat pools for defense simultaneously is extremely benefitial in the most dangerous situations.

Makkir

ladyshadow wrote: »

Acts wrote: »

@ladyshadow 20k Stam for a mag sorc?
I am usually running around 9k but it's those willpower rings with Stam chants
Tho to have 37k mag and 20k Stam, you have to have low spell damage or regen

you may think that but its just cause your not utilizing passives
fully buffed 3k spell damage 3.5k with continuous attack
1600-1700 regen with a ton of reduced cost

problem is too many people spamming cc skills on me. like ambush and dawnbreaker for example. drains alot of stam to break several times. i dont feel 9k is near enough to sustain against more then a 1 person fight.

also for the other comment..there is nothing you can do to gain proper stam regen on a sorc unless your playing bosmer or running a drink build. you will end up sacrificing things you need otherwise

Stam pool is stupid now for a Majicka sorc. You're gimping some of your other stats.

Ellwin

Makkir wrote: »

Stam pool is stupid now for a Majicka sorc. You're gimping some of your other stats.[/quote]

sounds like your still playing in 1.6. in 1.6 i put everything into magicka and spell damage. now sustain and spell damage is key. if i put everything into magicka my pool sits somewhere at 45k. my frags hit for 10-13k buffed and proc'd. with 40k mag and 18k stam(which i have now) buffed frags with proc hit for 8-11k. the difference isn't substantial. in 1.6 that allowed me to 1 shot ppl, now its not needed

also the stam is key in big group fights. when i need to refresh shields i always block while i swap bars and refresh. otherwise the delay can get you stunned or killed. im not saying high stam is needed, all im saying is its necessary for my style of play

Makkir

ladyshadow wrote: »

sounds like your still playing in 1.6. in 1.6 i put everything into magicka and spell damage. now sustain and spell damage is key. if i put everything into magicka my pool sits somewhere at 45k. my frags hit for 10-13k buffed and proc'd. with 40k mag and 18k stam(which i have now) buffed frags with proc hit for 8-11k. the difference isn't substantial. in 1.6 that allowed me to 1 shot ppl, now its not needed

also the stam is key in big group fights. when i need to refresh shields i always block while i swap bars and refresh. otherwise the delay can get you stunned or killed. im not saying high stam is needed, all im saying is its necessary for my style of play

No, in 1.6 we had stam reduction enchants and actually dodged/block casted. In 1.7 100% of our stamina is used to break free every 8 seconds. You need to do this to become CC immune and open up your fire power.

Something isn't right with your stats, and I think you're just blowing smoke. Some of the best sorcs have chimed in on this thread and had said the same thing.

Ellwin

Makkir wrote: »

Something isn't right with your stats, and I think you're just blowing smoke. Some of the best sorcs have chimed in on this thread and had said the same thing.
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idk why im on blast but here are my stats.

this is with only self buffs and 5% increased spell power from scrolls. i tweaked stam on my gear to gain more recovery. sorry to act of rage if im ruining your thread, was not my intent.

Xeven

I must say those stats are pretty good. o.o

How many CP do you have? You must have a **** load because I don't see any other way to have all three attributes so high.

Edit:
In fact I'm calling it now. You have an absurd number of CP.

Makkir

Or he's running Inner light, bound aegis, crit surge, and other filler abilities to maximize on the sorc passives

I don't even see how those stats are possible. That regen is way too high for him to have that much spell damage and majicka.

Look at his spell and physical resistance...I guarantee bound aegis is active. This is coming from someone who has spent like 3-4 mill so far re-gearing my sorc, I know those stats are not possible unless you're filling your bars with a bunch of garbage and making yourself a useless meat shield in PvP.

You can't put on a forum dog and pony show

Xeven

Something is definitely going on there. I'd like to hear his/her explanation.

They're not fooling anyone.

Makkir

49% crit isn't possible without thief mundus or inner light. my guess he is running drinks with majicka mundus stone, dual wield and stacking his ability bar with buff toggles...aka hitting people with light/heavy attacks = worthless

Acts

@ladyshadow I don't mind you takin attention from my original post, I have already modded my build that is better then the one I posted.

On a second note, you should really post ur build because I call BS on those numbers, maybe high CP but I can't wrap my head around those numbers .

Yonkit

Acts wrote: »

@ladyshadow I don't mind you takin attention from my original post, I have already modded my build that is better then the one I posted.

On a second note, you should really post ur build because I call BS on those numbers, maybe high CP but I can't wrap my head around those numbers .

It's tri-stat food with a lot of CP, you can't get nearly 16k stam on an altmer with 64 into magicka and tri stat food unless you use prismatic or stamina enchants in which case your magicka pool would be drained a good 4-5k, and she's sitting at 40k, the magicka recovery is easy, 3 recovery glyphs and 100 into arcanist, the weapon damage is what struck me as *** absurd... Dual wield maybe? idk... Dual wield is redundant this patch as no good player will die to a sorc using dual wield anymore, the spell damage coming from molag kena proc perhaps? cause that regen + that spell and weapon damage, something's very very fishy lol.

Not calling you out Ellwiin, just looking at those stats with no explanation seems very odd. Zoomed all the way in on adobe though, it isn't photo-shopped

Still, 2.6k weapon damage on a magicka build, it's got to Molag Kena proc, no other way, in which case your ACTUAL spell damage is like 3.1k buffed. which is still high, but normal for a sorc, imo anyway. The recovery I can understand, the stats I can understand, but the spell and weapon damage ONTOP of all the other stats is what stinks of rotted salmon to me

Ellwin

you guys are too funny. so many ideas flying.

to clarify a few things:

- 370 CP, not outlandish
- running tri stat food
- all enchants are magicka/spell damage/with 1 recovery
- running inner light, no boud aegis
- in the screenshot i have crit surge active
- only using 1 molag kena piece
- the high spell power i will not explain, its 2900 or 3600 depending if im grouped or solo
(act of rage should know how to achieve it considering his friend erudition taught me)

i do not want to post a build video because this build is my own and at present i have only shared it with Meth. we have very similar builds and most of his stats are higher then mine(he has 2k+ CP)

i swear the stats are real and so is the build, no cheats. when you take advantage of ALL your standard and class passives its insane how fast your % gain stacks. i have spent many hours theorycrafting with the best sorcs in the game and we've found ways to maximize potential. i really dont want others leaching off our hard work. the few that are left will probably tell you the same thing

Makkir

No one wants to leech, we were just calling out the questionable stats.


Lol, are you taking a screenshot when Continuous Attack procs after taking lumbermill or something?

Xeven

Lol warhorn screenshot with every buff you can think of. You're deliberately trying to be misleading.

We don't want your build, bro. This game is not that deep and if you think you've found something that no other person with half a brain will find, you're mistaken. You are not a unique snowflake.

Cinnamon_Spider

It's amazing what people will do to try to defend a bad build.

Acts

@Shadowlady I can understand the whole not wanting to release ur build but what you have posted is/seems insane. maybe u have found something that no one else found but I still believe you are hidding the fact u are getting buffs from unormal sources like war horn, continuous attack or maybe even from the new zerg promoting sets of 1.7.

Yonkit

Acts wrote: »

@Shadowlady I can understand the whole not wanting to release ur build but what you have posted is/seems insane. maybe u have found something that no one else found but I still believe you are hidding the fact u are getting buffs from unormal sources like war horn, continuous attack or maybe even from the new zerg promoting sets of 1.7.

Or the new set that requires her to have a group to buff it, Spell Power Cure, Meretricious Service, Powerful Assault. Or all of the above. In which case her actual spell damage solo is vastly lower than that. Ermm where is it...

Ellwin

Xeven wrote: »

Lol warhorn screenshot with every buff you can think of. You're deliberately trying to be misleading.

We don't want your build, bro. This game is not that deep and if you think you've found something that no other person with half a brain will find, you're mistaken. You are not a unique snowflake.

Xeven wrote: »

Lol warhorn screenshot with every buff you can think of. You're deliberately trying to be misleading.

We don't want your build, bro. This game is not that deep and if you think you've found something that no other person with half a brain will find, you're mistaken. You are not a unique snowflake.

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

It's amazing what people will do to try to defend a bad build.

Acts wrote: »

@Shadowlady I can understand the whole not wanting to release ur build but what you have posted is/seems insane. maybe u have found something that no one else found but I still believe you are hidding the fact u are getting buffs from unormal sources like war horn, continuous attack or maybe even from the new zerg promoting sets of 1.7.

i can slap together a thread to explain considering now i have no choice

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/221607/ellwiins-1-7-sorc-solo-group-build?new=1