The dodge roll nerf needs to be adjusted

Strider_Roshin

Right now people are spamming immobilize abilities like it's going out of style. Honestly I think the cool down should be reduced to 3 seconds. On top of that the cool down shouldn't activate if you dodge roll while immobilized.

Mr_Nobody

I think it is in a perfectly balanced state. Perma dodge rolling was bigger issue than block, BE spamming and Nirn. You can still effectively roll 2-3 times without losing too much. But you wont be able to dodge roll in between attacks like every stamina user used to which was uncounterable by magicka users, except shieldstacking sorcs.

Strider_Roshin

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

I think it is in a perfectly balanced state. Perma dodge rolling was bigger issue than block, BE spamming and Nirn. You can still effectively roll 2-3 times without losing too much. But you wont be able to dodge roll in between attacks like every stamina user used to which was uncounterable by magicka users, except shieldstacking sorcs.

It's not in a balanced state when people are permanently immobilizing you, and you're punished for breaking out of it.

Mr_Nobody

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

I think it is in a perfectly balanced state. Perma dodge rolling was bigger issue than block, BE spamming and Nirn. You can still effectively roll 2-3 times without losing too much. But you wont be able to dodge roll in between attacks like every stamina user used to which was uncounterable by magicka users, except shieldstacking sorcs.

It's not in a balanced state when people are permanently immobilizing you, and you're punished for breaking out of it.

A good use of the OP Purge, Cleanse if you are a templar, Shuffle or Maneuver makes you avoid it. In occasions where you run into multiple people spamming bombard, oh well, face it that you cant escape it since bombard serves its purpose.

HungryHobo

Retreating Maneuver when you need to get out of there. It definitely is worth it now that rolls cost more.

Joy_Division

You are not "forced" to dodge roll out of immobilize. There are available tools in the game for both stamina and magicka users to free themselves without dodge-rolling. You are choosing not to slot them because you want to stack weapon damage and devote your bars to maximize your damage output.

Wycks

if your justifying the fact certain builds can cc you over and over without an immunity timer your just wrong.

GreenSoup2HoT

Stamina builds need to tank + kite. Im doing very well on my stamblade. Just out heal them. I block big hits and im fine.

Rally is still a must have and has not been adjusted. All stamina builds have to run it.

Master_Kas

Lol. Magicka users can spam their shields forever, while stambuild can use their main defense a few times before OOS.

Perhaps not heavy migation builds, or stamina builds who are deeply specced into magicka regen, but oh well.

leepalmer95

Master_Kas wrote: »

Lol. Magicka users can spam their shields forever, while stambuild can use their main defense a few times before OOS.

Perhaps not heavy migation builds, or stamina builds who are deeply specced into magicka regen, but oh well.

Sigh not another one.

Master_Kas

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Lol. Magicka users can spam their shields forever, while stambuild can use their main defense a few times before OOS.

Perhaps not heavy migation builds, or stamina builds who are deeply specced into magicka regen, but oh well.

Sigh not another one.

Not another what?

Don't take me for one of the fools who hasn't seen both sides. Because I play multiple V16 chars.

SLy_Kyti

The problem at present with current dodge roll mechanics is:

The roll has been slowed.
The distance rolled has been shortened.

As you see its not just higher cost, the developers made it useless as a escape from injury.

iseko

They wanted to get ride of perma dodge roll. Only a select few were able to do that and only because of insane regen amounts. Most peiple with 1.5-2k stam regen could not perma roll. Still.. A flat nerf was apparently needed...

That being said: shuffle, purge, cleanse come to mind to counter this.

Derra

Master_Kas wrote: »

Lol. Magicka users can spam their shields forever, while stambuild can use their main defense a few times before OOS.

Perhaps not heavy migation builds, or stamina builds who are deeply specced into magicka regen, but oh well.

lol - stamina users just get a set to bypass magica defense. Get shieldbreaker or get gud mate

Docmandu

iseko wrote: »

They wanted to get ride of perma dodge roll. Only a select few were able to do that and only because of insane regen amounts. Most peiple with 1.5-2k stam regen could not perma roll. Still.. A flat nerf was apparently needed...

A nice double check is:

replace same statement by magicka / bolt escape.. then check if you still agree with your own statement

Winterpsy

Dislike being CC-ed? CC back.

Besides once broke free you get immunity. There's also the heavy armor active that grants immunity. Rally removes snares, retreating manouver too.

Sharee

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

the cool down shouldn't activate if you dodge roll while immobilized.

That's actually not a bad idea. Permanent dodge rolling at all times is still impossible, but so is permanent rooting.

Ganj

I think dodge roll is balanced but the problem is snares at this patch? I mean i do play stam nb also im okay with dodge roll nerf but since snares are kinda *** up at the moment first a few dodge roll totally looks useless. or just shuffle. i dont know i guess i hate snares at this patch

Ezareth

SLy_Kyti wrote: »

The problem at present with current dodge roll mechanics is:

The roll has been slowed.
The distance rolled has been shortened.

As you see its not just higher cost, the developers made it useless as a escape from injury.

This was a bug and was fixed.

Every class has access to manuevers, shuffle or Forward Momentum if they find snares to be a problem.

I use Forward Momentum myself and I run through EP zergbags and live all day long in the Sewers.