New to PvP. Rate my NB build. Advice & Criticism Welcome

MancandyMcDong

V4 Bosmer NB (Bow/Daggers/Med Armor/Werewolf)

21 Stam, 21 Mag, 10 Health

Bar 1: Poison Injection, Acid Spray, Lethal Arrow, Shadow Disguise, Soul Swallow, Soul Tether (Only until Dawnbreaker is unlocked)

Bar 2: Surprise Attack, Steel Tornado, Ambush, Shadow Disguise, Soul Swallow, Soul Tether

- All Bow Passives (Precise & Poison Glyph)
- All Duel Wield Passives (Precise & Magic DMG/Regen Glyphs)
- All Med Armor Passives (Mundus Stone & Stam/Magicka Glyphs)
- All Racial Passives

- All Shadow Passives
- All Assassination Passives; Except Executioner & Second Hemorrhage (Not unlocked yet)
- Half of Siphoning Passives; Skipped Catalyst & Transfer

- Rest is in maxed crafting for Legendary Gear and Provisioning.

I generally like the way my NB plays and don't feel underpowered necessarily, but can tell that others have better DPS builds. Thoughts and comments?

MancandyMcDong

I forgot to add 5 pieces of Night's Silence, 3 Ashen Grip (With Bow equipped)

5 pieces Night's Silence, 4 Ashen Grip (Daggers Equipped)

- At V5 I will change this to 5 NS, 3 Vampire's Kiss (Bow)
- And 5 Vampire's Kiss, 4 NS (Daggers)

Reeko

You do not need shadow disguise and swallow soul on both bars. You shoukd also have Dark cloak on there instead imo. It looks like you want to go stamina so why all the points into magicka? You should go all in for stamina to maximize your damage.

Also you failed to specify if this is for pvp or pve.

MancandyMcDong

Idk why shadow disguise wouldn't be perfect for both bars, it's invaluable in PvP from what I can tell and grants a free crit hit. Can't forget the 4 sec passive for using a shadow ability.

This is my 2.0 build.

I changed my ULT to give more crit through Assassination Passives, and added Camo Hunter to the mix. Dropped Soul Tether and Soul Swallow. Also replaced Surprise Attack with Killer's Blade. Feels extra squishy but I will get used to it.

V4 Bosmer NB (Bow/Daggers/Med Armor/Werewolf)

52 Stam, 0 Mag, 0 Health

Bar 1: Poison Injection, Acid Spray, Lethal Arrow, Shadow Disguise, Camouflage Hunter, Death Stroke (No morph yet)

Bar 2: Killer's Blade, Steel Tornado, Ambush, Shadow Disguise, Camouflage Hunter, Death Stroke (No morph yet)

- All Bow Passives (Precise & Poison Glyph)
- All Duel Wield Passives (Precise & Magic DMG/Magicka Regen Glyphs)
- All Med Armor Passives (Mundus Stone & Stam/Magicka Glyphs)
- All Racial Passives

- All Shadow Passives
- All Assassination Passives; Except Second Hemorrhage (Not unlocked yet)
- One Siphoning Passive; Catalyst (Just because)

- Rest is in maxed crafting for Legendary Gear and Provisioning.

Reeko

The thing with shadowy disguise in pvp is, you cannot crit blockers or damage shields. Some people run crit reduction armor traits and if your crit % is high enough you don't really need the extra crit. Dark Cloak gives you the very much needed DoT removal. As a NB, especially stamina, we don't have much in terms of survivability. Dark Cloak is one of the few class skills we have to help us survive.

Also (and this one is debatable) but i don't see the need for Killers Blade. And have you tried running with Relentless Focus?

Lexxypwns

Drop the points out of magika, don't run anything on both bars

replace 1 soul tether with incapacitating strike

replace the extra shadowy disguise and both swallow souls with 3 of the following 5, vigor, double take, efficient purge, relentless focus, evil/camo hunter

otherwise the build looks decent, remember that with only 10 skill bars its important to maximize them

as a Stam NB you need to make use of some magika class skills, but you'll want magika regen not max magika since none of those skills are damage based and as such won't scale in effectiveness

I personally prefer dark cloak for stam nb since it removes dots, but if you can run efficient purge you'll be better off with shadowy disguise, despite the things you can't crit, ensuring a crit to time your burst is a HUGE advantage regardless of what anyone says

The main problem with your build is lack of a good heal, swallow soul is gonna do almost no damage as a stam build and as a result the heals are neglible, that's what you'll need vigor for

Olen_Mikko

Don't be jack-of-all-trades, be master of one. Change stats to either stamina or magicka. Maybe some to health.

Why double shadow cloak and camouflage hunter? You are wasting slots.

And i'd prefer dark cloak, to remove DoTs. You still get more damage from stealth with NB passives, no need for shadowy disguise morph imo.

Switch killers blade to veiled strike for more damage and use it from stealth, to stun.

I'd replace shadowy disguise from bar 1 to mark target, for ganking purposes.

JDar

There's nothing wrong with Shadowy Disguise, it's not a bad choice although I recommend running Cleanse as well.

I experimented with double-barring cloak for a while (I have a flex spot in my build) and it was kind of nice, felt very smooth. That's not a wrong choice either IMHO.

You really need Mass Hysteria on your bar somewhere. I can't imagine playing without it. I'd drop one of your bow abilities to get it in there, and rotate your bow skills situationally. Acid Spray for group battles, Lethal Arrow for ganking.

kadar

Reeko wrote: »

The thing with shadowy disguise in pvp is, you cannot crit blockers or damage shields. Some people run crit reduction armor traits and if your crit % is high enough you don't really need the extra crit. Dark Cloak gives you the very much needed DoT removal. As a NB, especially stamina, we don't have much in terms of survivability. Dark Cloak is one of the few class skills we have to help us survive.

Also (and this one is debatable) but i don't see the need for Killers Blade. And have you tried running with Relentless Focus?

I'd agree with Reeko. Cloak is a defensive spell and I believe is most effective when used this way. Removing 4 Dot effects is key for a build that doesn't have a lot of other defense options. We're dang squishy us NightBlades. The guaranteed crit from Disquise is nice but you probably already have a really high chance to crit already so the benefit is questionable.

And as for having Cloak on both bars...as you start to improve your build and skillset you WILL need to use that extra slot you are taking up for another skill. I can swap to my bow bar and use cloak just as fast as I could if it was on my 2H bar.

Last, every single ability you are using is scaling off Stam. I've reallocate some/all of your points in Magicka to Stamina. Do a little experiment. Put another point in stam and watch the damage tooltip go up.

Lord_Hev

5pc Shield-Breaker. Then the rest can be green loot you find off looted mobs for immersion.


Dark cloak, Grim focus, Double-take, Mass Hysteria.


You don't need a fifth ability, you don't need an ultimate, you don't even need to weap swap.



Group up with your friends, and just light attack people with that green weighted bow you looted from a chest. If you encounter stam builds that don't use damage shields, Dark Cloak to get away from their Line of Sight, or you can provide utility to your group by using Mass Hysteria. Double-take will allow you to run away and bank your stones while your group meat-shields sacrifice themselves if zerged.



You are now pro, thank me later.

Reeko

Lord_Hev wrote: »

5pc Shield-Breaker. Then the rest can be green loot you find off looted mobs for immersion.


Dark cloak, Grim focus, Double-take, Mass Hysteria.


You don't need a fifth ability, you don't need an ultimate, you don't even need to weap swap.



Group up with your friends, and just light attack people with that green weighted bow you looted from a chest. If you encounter stam builds that don't use damage shields, Dark Cloak to get away from their Line of Sight, or you can provide utility to your group by using Mass Hysteria. Double-take will allow you to run away and bank your stones while your group meat-shields sacrifice themselves if zerged.



You are now pro, thank me later.

Worst advice ever.

Truewavesound

Reeko wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

5pc Shield-Breaker. Then the rest can be green loot you find off looted mobs for immersion.


Dark cloak, Grim focus, Double-take, Mass Hysteria.


You don't need a fifth ability, you don't need an ultimate, you don't even need to weap swap.



Group up with your friends, and just light attack people with that green weighted bow you looted from a chest. If you encounter stam builds that don't use damage shields, Dark Cloak to get away from their Line of Sight, or you can provide utility to your group by using Mass Hysteria. Double-take will allow you to run away and bank your stones while your group meat-shields sacrifice themselves if zerged.



You are now pro, thank me later.

Worst advice ever.

Erm, yeah. That's gobshlte.

If you're interested in running a slightly different MNB build try this: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/216074/dark-harvester-magicka-nightblade-build-for-ic-pve-pvp-group-and-solo-play-in-1-7-2-1#latest

craiglz

Sorry to jump in on the thread. I have posted on another thread however it seems the wrong place. So im reposting here.

I am making my V16 stam nightblade for pvp and let me know what you think. I dont really pvp so just looking for tips and what i could do better with. Cheers

Race
Nord (should of done research before starting eso however didnt).

Attribute points
54 stamina
10 health

Boon - The warrior

Champion points - 299

Armour (all medium)
5 piece hundings rage and 3 piece ashen grip. (Chasing that damage)

Most armour is legendary and has max stam enchants just working on the last 2-3pieces.

Necklace and rings are v16 agility (more damage). All are healthy and have stam recovery enchants.

Weapons being 2H and bow.

Bar 1 2H

Ult - dawnbreaker
Ambush
Killers blade
Surprise attack
rally
shadowy disguise

Bar 2 bow

Ult - soul tether
retreating manouver
vigor
Poison arrow
piercing mark
Poison injection

I have got all the medium armour and nightblade passives.

Current plan
Will be putting on wpn damage enchants on my weapons. Then just hoping to fine tune once i get some feedback. I just wanted some tips or advice on all aspects first. Never done pvp much at all and i want to focus on it now. Bit of a MMO noob aswell.

Thanks for your time.

SneaK

craiglz wrote: »

Sorry to jump in on the thread. I have posted on another thread however it seems the wrong place. So im reposting here.

I am making my V16 stam nightblade for pvp and let me know what you think. I dont really pvp so just looking for tips and what i could do better with. Cheers

Race
Nord (should of done research before starting eso however didnt).

Attribute points
54 stamina
10 health

Boon - The warrior

Champion points - 299

Armour (all medium)
5 piece hundings rage and 3 piece ashen grip. (Chasing that damage)

Most armour is legendary and has max stam enchants just working on the last 2-3pieces.

Necklace and rings are v16 agility (more damage). All are healthy and have stam recovery enchants.

Weapons being 2H and bow.

Bar 1 2H

Ult - dawnbreaker
Ambush
Killers blade
Surprise attack
rally
shadowy disguise

Bar 2 bow

Ult - soul tether
retreating manouver
vigor
Poison arrow
piercing mark
Poison injection

I have got all the medium armour and nightblade passives.

Current plan
Will be putting on wpn damage enchants on my weapons. Then just hoping to fine tune once i get some feedback. I just wanted some tips or advice on all aspects first. Never done pvp much at all and i want to focus on it now. Bit of a MMO noob aswell.

Thanks for your time.

I would try to find a way to get comfortable with having cloak on your back bar if you're running a 2H. You'll find that having Mass Hysteria on your front bar is often the key to finishing fights.

Don't over look the Marksman Set either, it's nasty.

craiglz

Thanks for the tip ill definately give it a try. I have had some embarassing losses. So will be looking at my ability bar closely.

craiglz

Would anyone have any tips for survivability/combat patterns? Not sure if its just my tactics as im still learning however i seem to struggle and lose to most other v16 players.

Lokey0024

@craiglz. Yea bro i gotcha.

Gold out the weapons first thing, adds alot of damage

Bow bar looks good, swap manuvers out for shuffle. The snare removal from both is strong, but the added dodge chance is good for survivability and costs less. Just dodge roll for major expedition with bow equip. Dark cloak on back bar instead of poison arrow. the damage is nice from poison arrow, but a heavy attack weave with poison injection hits almost as hard. Dodge rolling then dark cloak with bow makes you move quicker, and frees up a slot on the front bar for mass hysteria, a really good ability.

2hd bar

Incapacitating strikes ultimate is the best in the game. Low cost, major defile, +20% damage to target for the next few attacks. Swap dawnbreaker to the back bar or just replace altogether, soul tether is good for multiple people attacking you, dawnbreaker is good for stat modding attack power/ smashing vamps and werewolves.

If you want tactics on combat check out youtube. Sypher pk is the NB guru so check his gameplay out.

Brutusmax1mus

You need vigor. Id recommend 2h bow too. Put Mass hysteria on too. You'll have a hard time if you can't cc on command. My nb would never lose to your build bc of your lack of healing and fear.

craiglz

@Lokey0024

Yeah ive got everything gold except hands and feet (trying to get the wax). Ive got 3 more levels then i can craft v16 glyph of physical harm (i have 2 kuta so i can do both wpns).

Thanks for the advice i will definately give it a go. And ive watched sypher quite abit and trying different abilities, he has helped me a quite a bit. Was just seeing what works for others. Ill swap out ultimate dawnbreaker for incapacitating strike. I only had it had for when it was equipped i got a wpn bonus.

@Brutusmax1mus

Yeah ive got invigorating vigor on my back bar now and that has been a massive difference. I will be getting that mass hysteria in aswell.

Thanks both for your advice. Just a question with mass hysteria. Would you use it when the enemys health is low to stop them healing and finish them or do you find it better at the start of a battle to help control it that bit more? Just what yous personally prefer?

Cheers

SneaK

craiglz wrote: »

Yeah ive got everything gold except hands and feet (trying to get the wax). Ive got 3 more levels then i can craft v16 glyph of physical harm (i have 2 kuta so i can do both wpns).

Save those Kutas for something other than weapon enchants. Use Rekutas for weapon enchants, procs on weapon glyphs aren't worth the gold glyphs, promise.

Ishammael

craiglz wrote: »

Would anyone have any tips for survivability/combat patterns? Not sure if its just my tactics as im still learning however i seem to struggle and lose to most other v16 players.

Stam NB is all about burst, and so you need to approach combat that way.

Your burst combo is (more or less) the following:
HA/Ambush --> SA --> Fear --> Incap

If you fail to kill, retreat and heal, then repeat.

That should be more than enough to kill most people. The trick is attaining the combat awareness to execute this every time. When you're being pressured that is hard. Variations on your burst combo will take practice. Sypher really is pretty good with his NB, watch his vids.

vortexman11

@Craiglz

I've never played a stamina nightblade in my life, but my advice would be to not worry at all about putting those 10 points in health and just stack all your attributes in stamina. You have racial passives that will increase your health as well as class passives based on which skills you have slotted, but as a nord you'll find it much harder compared to other races to get stamina which will effect both your damage and sustain.
Then get a race change to redguard as soon as its available.

EsoRecon

4/10
Needs lots of work

craiglz

Thanks everyone for your tips. I appreciate it and ill definately take them all on board. Have already changed my skills and maxed my stam in attribute points. Thanks.

@EsoRecon

I get the low score hence asking for help do you have any tips to help?

vamp_emily

MancandyMcDong wrote: »

21 Stam, 21 Mag, 10 Health

I would personally would go with 52 stam 0 Mag 0 Health.

And have plenty of drinks and potions with you at all times.

mtwiggz

craiglz wrote: »

Sorry to jump in on the thread. I have posted on another thread however it seems the wrong place. So im reposting here.

I am making my V16 stam nightblade for pvp and let me know what you think. I dont really pvp so just looking for tips and what i could do better with. Cheers

Race
Nord (should of done research before starting eso however didnt).

Attribute points
54 stamina
10 health

Boon - The warrior

Champion points - 299

Armour (all medium)
5 piece hundings rage and 3 piece ashen grip. (Chasing that damage)

Most armour is legendary and has max stam enchants just working on the last 2-3pieces.

Necklace and rings are v16 agility (more damage). All are healthy and have stam recovery enchants.

Weapons being 2H and bow.

Bar 1 2H

Ult - dawnbreaker
Ambush
Killers blade
Surprise attack
rally
shadowy disguise

Bar 2 bow

Ult - soul tether
retreating manouver
vigor
Poison arrow
piercing mark
Poison injection

I have got all the medium armour and nightblade passives.

Current plan
Will be putting on wpn damage enchants on my weapons. Then just hoping to fine tune once i get some feedback. I just wanted some tips or advice on all aspects first. Never done pvp much at all and i want to focus on it now. Bit of a MMO noob aswell.

Thanks for your time.

2H -> Ambush / Executioner / Mass Hysteria / Surprise Attack / Rally / Dawnbreaker

Bow -> Shadowy Disguise / Relentless Focus / Shuffle / Poison Injection, Barrage or free slot / Vigor / Meteor or Bats

5x Hunding, 3x Mork/Nights or 2x Bloodspawn or 1x Bloodspawn 1x Kena, 3x Agility, vMA weapons if you have them. Would recommend at least 3-5 impen traits. Not sure which traits would be better in DB DLC as I haven't tested them all yet.

There's a few other decent sets out there too, mostly dropped or rewarded. The first setup there would be all craft able and easy to obtain. With very minimal loss on DPS or sustain.

Your opener is very important to get the timing on. NB have very poor healing passives so make sure you get some CP into Blessed and Quick Recovery. Cloak heals can very well save your life and give a nice burst heal with the crit.

Oh, don't spend your life roll dodging around like a handicapped monkey either. See far too many stam builds doing this. Next thing you know you're out of stam and dead, if you're not a Tripot guzzling masocist.

craiglz

Thanks for the help. Just to show everyone where im at now.

64 points in stamina.

All my gear (5 piece hundings and 3 ashen grip) is legendary and all armour has max stam enchants. (No enchants on wpns yet though)

Jewelery is 3 piece agility with stam regen and health.

2H - main bar

Ult - incapacitating strike
Surprise attack
rally
Ambush
Executioner (prefer more than killers blade)
mass hysteria

Bow - back bar
ult - ultimate dawnbreaker
Shadowy disguise
Resolving vigor
shuffle
Lethal injection
mark target

Thanks for your help and my character plays heaps better now. Wrong abilities it seems above all else. Also have much more stamina now.

Any more tips im all ears. Thanks.

Chapmaaaan

you still need to swap shadowy disguise for dark cloak. the 8% less damage is so much better than a crit chance. everybody who is clued up runs impenetrable or puts points into resistant. if you don't have 2k crit resistance you are silly. the majority of time the only skill you will use after cloak is poison injection so shadowy disguise is pretty pointless.

you could also swap mark for relentless focus or caltrops, depending on what you're doing/who you're fighting.

you should grind for meteor as well. it's a lot better than soul tether for burst. which is what us stamina nightblades are all about. we aren't aoe classes.

you definitely need to morph incap strike to soul harvest as well. until next patch it's needed to get your ulti up quickly

craiglz

@Chapmaaaan

Thanks for the advice. I have done your suggestions and working towards meteor and 2k crit. Im currently at 1600.