Buff Blazing Shield

Draxys

Both blazing shield and igneous shield need some help. The shield nerf in PvP was directed at sorc shields and barrier, and in turn, they nerfed blazing and igneous into oblivion. Typical, taking the easy way out and creating more problems than were fixed.

Fizzlewizzle

Kas wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

6.5k? On BWB earlier I was getting hit by a guy for 8k heavy attacks, which was weird because wb was doing 4k and his executor 6k. So basically, the shield wouldn't even soak up one attack. Garbage. And I barely even play Templar.

assume a blazing shield absorbs a full wrecking blow, takes less time to cast and deals some damage in the meantime. how would THAT be the correct way round?

WB would still put you on your back....

But the main point is the one, i'm going to make below.

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

6.5k? On BWB earlier I was getting hit by a guy for 8k heavy attacks, which was weird because wb was doing 4k and his executor 6k. So basically, the shield wouldn't even soak up one attack. Garbage. And I barely even play Templar.

assume a blazing shield absorbs a full wrecking blow, takes less time to cast and deals some damage in the meantime. how would THAT be the correct way round?

Have you ever tried catching a WB with a damage shield (Blazing in this case). It stops the damage, but the knockback will still be applied.
Have you ever tried an effective Blazing shield build before?
(The 43K hp one i posted above isn't effective as every hit bursts your bubble in IC.)

i don't catch WBlows because it is a bad idea (as the game is right now). What I am saying is that if it WAS a good idea, it would be incredibly broken the other way round.

And yes, I run Bshield right now, I have been #1 AD TB/EU last campaign playing almost exclusively solo (no idea if that's worth anything because nobody made much AP imho). I win 1v3's and 1v4's all the time - with Bshield on my bar. I don't fear any duel, I only have to sue potions with major expedition to beat good stamina users.

My GF will be here over the weekend and I probably won't log in at all (if at all then today after work for an hour). But if you have an equipped EU non-AD char, I'd be happy to duel you or a player of your choice that has time on Monday. ingame: @bbu

Albeit, it's not a "BShield-build" because that would be f*ing stupid. It's a build that makes uses of Bshield as a minor, but very helpful factor.

PS: But whatever, I wouldn't be mad if Bshield was buffed ^^ I just don't think it is as necessary right now. If you want to buff something about a magicka templar, give us a speedbuff or an immobilize. I'm drinking speedpots like crazy just to be able to move around in combat enough, especially when playing against a competent nightblade inside dark path

Having Blazing Shield on your bar as a good player and Blazing shield being a good skill are two different things.
I could wreck face and take names without breaking a sweat while having Healing Ritual on my bar. Wouldn't make the skill useful, it's just something that fills up a slot.

Most people (me included) don't care for someone's rank or whatnot when talking about classes or balance.
I hardly gain any AP myself, as i'm not really a fighter. I'm not really build towards killing, so most of my AP comes from leaching of kills other people make.
I haven't reconstructed my old 1.6 build yet (playing around with Blazing shield and whatnot), but all my deaths during my serious 1.6 PvP sessions (what you might call serious for someone who isn't a real pvp-er) was because i got trampled by zergs. I could easily tank 4-10 people on an Argonian (Templar) with just 14K hp. I wasn't a Tank, it was just that my build and playstyle allowed it.
Does that make me a good or a bad Templar? I can't score any AP on my own, and my rank sucks. But the fact that no solo player (or very small group) could kill me would make me (i think) pretty good.

That stuff aside.
Is a Blazing shield build stupid? No, at least not from the concept.
Would a Stampler, with a pure focus on Stamina and Weapon damage, or a Sweeplar, with a pure focus on Magicka and Spell damage be considered stupid? I don't think so.
Why, because the set-up, as well as the skills used work in unison together to create a working build.
The Blazing shield build works the same. Although in PvE a bit fiddly (you need to learn to play it, like any other build) it works. In PvP however you run into the problem that your shield is so small that it can't even soak up a single hit.

I have seen a lot of Templars in IC, but from all the ones i've seen i was the one with the highest HP.
(Second place was about 15K hp lower than me, which was still about 10K higher than the avarage build i've come across.)
If i run around with a 6.5K shield, then those people wouldn't even have enough shield to catch a common heavy attack.
If you were to ask me then it would be easier for those people to slot Honor the Dead then Blazing Shield, if they wanted to mitigate some damage.

What might balance Blazing in PvP (or at least help a bit), is to switch the focus of the Battle Spirit buff for at least Blazing shield from the shield debuff to the damage debuff.
Currently the shield is reduced, making the damage also lower. If you were to keep the shield as it was outside of PvP, but apply a 50% damage reduction you would still get the same HP = Damage Value you get now, but with better protection for the amount of health you have invested in.

Mr_Nobody

Anyone who uses blazing shield in this patch, even if its with 60k hp, is wasting a slot. Currently, it is one of the most useless spells in the game, together with a couple more templar abilities.

Having that in mind, asking for a buff is even worse and a no-no. Every time zos decides to buff/fix templars, they actually implement numerous ninja nerfs, bug out some abilities with no intention to fix them afterwards and call it even with an explanation of "Not working as designed, but intended" or "Not intended, but you can heal".

Digiman

Am I missing something the shield strength increases with each hit? It's an AoE damage version of healing ward and scales from health?

The only other reason it pops to soon is probably because its because battle spirit reduced it to 50%

In conjunction with healing ritual or Healing ward you can certainly heal quite well.

Alucardo

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Having that in mind, asking for a buff is even worse and a no-no. Every time zos decides to buff/fix templars, they actually implement numerous ninja nerfs, bug out some abilities with no intention to fix them afterwards and call it even with an explanation of "Not working as designed, but intended" or "Not intended, but you can heal".

There is actually some wise words here. Sometimes staying under the radar can be the best buff while you watch other classes around you get nerfed.

leroit

SO true

butoijo

As a stamplar i used BS to helping me proc ravager set coz it hit twice when on and off, got 8k magicka pool LOL.

zornyan

butoijo wrote: »

As a stamplar i used BS to helping me proc ravager set coz it hit twice when on and off, got 8k magicka pool LOL.

Not really much point using ravager gear anymore thougj, you're just giving up dps.

It's also time you could be using to dish out dps, as blazing shield is basically worthless and is a wasted cast.

tist

Instead of nerfing class specific shields they just nerfed all shields. Sorcs shield needed nerfing otherwise it would be OP this patch but now DK and Templar have pitiful shields. They needed to adjust these values to compensate the nerfs.

Fizzlewizzle

tist wrote: »

Instead of nerfing class specific shields they just nerfed all shields. Sorcs shield needed nerfing otherwise it would be OP this patch but now DK and Templar have pitiful shields. They needed to adjust these values to compensate the nerfs.

As strange as it may sound (from a non sorc), i don't really think shields need nerfing, not the sorc one nor any other class shield.

Templar shields can shine in the right hands, if you know how to use them. A tank-style character using shields isn't a problem. A offensive-type character with uber shields is.
Nerfing shields isn't an option, swapping all shields to work like Blazing shield/ Bone shield is.

Sorcs tend to scream they don't have any class heals. They have potentially the strongest "heal" options in the game.
- Clanfear... bit tricky to use, but nevertheless an option.
- Surge, with a half decent crit build (i can get over 55% spell crit on a Templar with 7/7 heavy armor, while still dealing decent damage)
- Degeneration (Mages Guild) + Overload (anyone wants 10K + heals a hit?)
- Restoration staff: Blessing of Restoration.

Sorcs need to stop saying that they can only survive with shield. Every other class can survive without shields even if they have Crappy heals. Templar is the only class with decent Burst heals, all others have mediocre healing.
Being a Glass cannon is a choice, not a mandatory for Sorcs.

Baphomet

Sun shield + morphs has definately been the one shield that needs a buff for a long time. Just an increase in absorbtion, return damage and duration would go a long way.

Tallowby

BalticBlues wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

I completely removed Blazing Shield from my bar.
[...] Blazing Shield has a short duration and pretty cost inefficient.
[...] The shield is pathetic, in terms of strength.

You say it. Deltia as one of the best Templar players worldwide also does not use BS in his recents builds/videos anymore, neither as healer nor as DPS.

http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/05/01/shredder-templar-pvp-build/

eliisra

Tallowby wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

I completely removed Blazing Shield from my bar.
[...] Blazing Shield has a short duration and pretty cost inefficient.
[...] The shield is pathetic, in terms of strength.

You say it. Deltia as one of the best Templar players worldwide also does not use BS in his recents builds/videos anymore, neither as healer nor as DPS.

http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/05/01/shredder-templar-pvp-build/

I'm more astonished over the fact that someone claimed Deltia to be a worldwide PvP monster templar

Also this guide is for level 1-25 PvP, where you get 30k health or more from battle leveling. Blazing Shield in this specific build is not half bad.

For VR16 PvP however, with 30k health(what you need for the shield to be even worth slotting after nerf) you will totally suck in any other department such as dmg, sustain and healing.

That's the main problem with the blanket nerf of shields, ZoS didn't consider or care how it would affects shields scaling of health. My sorc still has this huge 10k Ward in PvP, after equipping VR16 gear with loads of extra magicka and spell power. The nerf made little difference.

This while my templars and DK's shield are down to 3.5-4k and not even worth using, since scaling of health. You just cant make up for the nerf there, since stacking health in PvP is a horrible idea.

Elara_Northwind

Sorcerers do get a bigger shield, but I think that they need it much more than Templars as we can heal ourselves through damage... I would LOVE for templars to have a bigger shield, as I play Templar as my main in PvP and it would make her even better! haha! but I think if templars need anything, it is a way to escape a fight. In PvP, with my sorc and NB I can pretty much always get out of a sticky situation, but with my templar I have to stand there and take it because there is no way I am getting away from a zerg who are charging toward us. I think our lack of escape is a much bigger issue than our shield, which may be low but at least we have one

Elara_Northwind

My templar uses blazing shield ALLOT and she kicks ass in PvP It can completely disregard attacks at times when you have it on all of the time (especially now with damage reduction) and then you just heal as needed. I really like it, but if people want it buffed, I won't argue People have been crying for templar buffs for 6 months of more, I personally, have never really seen the need, I have always believed templars to be great, but any buff to make us even better is welcomed by me haha! I would get high damage on my templar pre 1.6 and people would not believe me so much so that I had to post my FTC results to prove it, because everybody thought that all we were good for was healing! As somebody who has played Templar in both PvE and PvP for 2 years now, l would that in my personal opinion, if we need anything it is an escape, and also our focused charge is broken which is highly annoying because I use it allot, and it bugs out about 50% of the time. Its like playing russion roulette with that thing in PvP