Radiant destruction is skill-less

EnOeZ

I don't know ZOS if you are aware, but as a spoiled PVP melee guy (one of the rare true), once you are in first line, all templars use one unique spell from 100% to 0 life : radiant destruction.

I don't know how you define SKILL ZOS, but if the most effective way to deal with someone outnumbered is just spamming ONE UNIQUE BUTTON, it is the most *** gameplay mechanic I have ever seen.

I have countless screenshot, and every time I know without failure that I will have one beam per templar in the area.

Please tune this skill, make it much more expensive, shorter range, and able to dish out more damage the last 15% like other executes.
It is just balanced in 1v1 were you can interrupt it. Once the Templar is behind a human shield or two or four guys, then he is "courageously" in god mod, euh sorry in "Jesus Beam" mode...

I would also love if you play ZOS your own game, as Melee Heavy Armor Stamina (not zerger).
Remember "Play the way you want" ?

BackFreckle

There are many skills in this game that are skill-less by that logic. Killing someone with 2 snipes is the same as killing someone with 2-3 Jesus beams. So don't single out Templars.

And to your "play your own way" comment, if I specd my entire build around making radiant destruction my best damaging move isn't that playing my own way?

Yes it's an execute but if they we're to take out the execute part to make ppl stop crying about then it wouldn't change cuz id still be able to hit you with a beam of 15k each

Emma_Overload

I'll never understand these kinds of posts.

1) We only have FIVE slots on each skill bar to work with. After all the obligatory toggles and buffs, I consider myself lucky if there's a slot left for a damage spell I can "spam" all day.

2) What difference does it make whether the guy who killed you used 10 abilities or just one? You're still dead.

3) "Skilled" players know that you have to use the right tools for the job. If the best tool for the job of schooling scrubs happens to be Radiant Destruction, then so be it.

Mojmir

i sweep the leg

olsborg

Its nerfed somewhat for next patch, less dmg if target is out of execute range. I would however like to see this with a 17meter range limit.

EnOeZ

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

I'll never understand these kinds of posts.

1) We only have FIVE slots on each skill bar to work with. After all the obligatory toggles and buffs, I consider myself lucky if there's a slot left for a damage spell I can "spam" all day.

2) What difference does it make whether the guy who killed you used 10 abilities or just one? You're still dead.

3) "Skilled" players know that you have to use the right tools for the job. If the best tool for the job of schooling scrubs happens to be Radiant Destruction, then so be it.

I agree that 5 abilities per bar is not enough, considering their mediocre design.
Spellcrafting is another marketing lie, gone with some developer who has left I believe.

Xael

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

I'll never understand these kinds of posts.

1) We only have FIVE slots on each skill bar to work with. After all the obligatory toggles and buffs, I consider myself lucky if there's a slot left for a damage spell I can "spam" all day.

2) What difference does it make whether the guy who killed you used 10 abilities or just one? You're still dead.

3) "Skilled" players know that you have to use the right tools for the job. If the best tool for the job of schooling scrubs happens to be Radiant Destruction, then so be it.

LOL people always need something to whine about. It's always something, never the player though, they remove themselves from the equation always and find something ridiculous to *** and moan about. It boggles the mind... it's not like they could slot efficient purge... games too hard.

Grampa_Smurf

If you health is low it will kill you quick but if your dumb enough to stand there and let the Templar Beam you from 100% to dead then I have to say you have a slight problem. If I can, then others can take 3-4 beamers at 100% health it does not do a huge damage burst at 100% health, it is a channelled spell over 3 sec, the huge damage does not come into effect till you are all but dead.

I wouldn't stand there and just let a another class just snipe me till dead either.

Joy_Division

I bet the OP has no problem spamming an uninterruptible 15k stunning wrecking blow and then following it up with an executioner to two-shot an opponent.

Because that what real skillful warriors do...

EnOeZ

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

If you health is low it will kill you quick but if your dumb enough to stand there and let the Templar Beam you from 100% to dead then I have to say you have a slight problem. If I can, then others can take 3-4 beamers at 100% health it does not do a huge damage burst at 100% health, it is a channelled spell over 3 sec, the huge damage does not come into effect till you are all but dead.

I wouldn't stand there and just let a another class just snipe me till dead either.

My problem is stupid people not knowing how to read.
I know how radiant works, I say, if you are melee you have plenty of CCs on you : slows, stuns and roots, you just cannot get close enough to interrupt ALL of them, nor far enough when being circled why 60 IQ @Grampasmurf ?

BECAUSE YOU ARE MELEE, you moron.

Of course I am talking to top PVPers who love hardmode challenges and fighting 1vX, obviously not to you.
Go back to range, zerging and PVE.

As DK since you will not be able to keep health high enough in 1VX, the only option is "Deep Breath" but the range is too short compared to Jesus Beam, you cannot interrupt all, and as stamina, heal and DPS is much too low. Perhaps a stamina version could help with its range equal to God beam.

TheBull

Mojmir wrote: »

i sweep the leg

pfft I'm the best around.

DaveMoeDee

Xael wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

I'll never understand these kinds of posts.

1) We only have FIVE slots on each skill bar to work with. After all the obligatory toggles and buffs, I consider myself lucky if there's a slot left for a damage spell I can "spam" all day.

2) What difference does it make whether the guy who killed you used 10 abilities or just one? You're still dead.

3) "Skilled" players know that you have to use the right tools for the job. If the best tool for the job of schooling scrubs happens to be Radiant Destruction, then so be it.

LOL people always need something to whine about. It's always something, never the player though, they remove themselves from the equation always and find something ridiculous to *** and moan about. It boggles the mind... it's not like they could slot efficient purge... games too hard.

ESO is my first MMO experience and I didn't realize how much complaining would be involved.

Xael

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

I'll never understand these kinds of posts.

1) We only have FIVE slots on each skill bar to work with. After all the obligatory toggles and buffs, I consider myself lucky if there's a slot left for a damage spell I can "spam" all day.

2) What difference does it make whether the guy who killed you used 10 abilities or just one? You're still dead.

3) "Skilled" players know that you have to use the right tools for the job. If the best tool for the job of schooling scrubs happens to be Radiant Destruction, then so be it.

LOL people always need something to whine about. It's always something, never the player though, they remove themselves from the equation always and find something ridiculous to *** and moan about. It boggles the mind... it's not like they could slot efficient purge... games too hard.

ESO is my first MMO experience and I didn't realize how much complaining would be involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD94dVu8lqQ

timidobserver

I am okay with removing all skill-less things from the game, but there won't be a lot left.

Rhaegar75

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

If you health is low it will kill you quick but if your dumb enough to stand there and let the Templar Beam you from 100% to dead then I have to say you have a slight problem. If I can, then others can take 3-4 beamers at 100% health it does not do a huge damage burst at 100% health, it is a channelled spell over 3 sec, the huge damage does not come into effect till you are all but dead.

I wouldn't stand there and just let a another class just snipe me till dead either.

this!!!


The few times I manage to JB someone to death is because they stand there taking it instead of doing something about it: Templars are so clunky anyway...get out of the beam and kill the Tem away!!!

Karamis_Vimardon

#PraiseCheesus

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

The player here defending the healing/DPS/Tank class with a much better Execute then the Assassin clad is golden smart a** comments aside an execute that is damn good for putting you in execute range is BS and he did say that 1v1 it's not a problem standing behind 25m of meat shield and spamming an execute that can crit many times in one cast and needs to be purged or Dark cloaked off is so OP.

When you see players spamming Assassin's Blade, executioner and mage wrath restate you point but as of right now all other Executes are useless outside of Execute range all but the one you can't roll with a 25m range and multiple crit that people still open with if they have a friend to burst you just a bit.

Side note @Joy_Division 15k wrecking blow means you stood their as he said fore!!!! And don't block and cc them you can't block and cast channeled attacks. Also heavy armor is a thing yes you lose some spell pin but really the trade off is worth it I have a two heavy 3.5 fully buffed Battlr Mage

Grampa_Smurf

EnOeZ wrote: »

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

If you health is low it will kill you quick but if your dumb enough to stand there and let the Templar Beam you from 100% to dead then I have to say you have a slight problem. If I can, then others can take 3-4 beamers at 100% health it does not do a huge damage burst at 100% health, it is a channelled spell over 3 sec, the huge damage does not come into effect till you are all but dead.

I wouldn't stand there and just let a another class just snipe me till dead either.

My problem is stupid people not knowing how to read.
I know how radiant works, I say, if you are melee you have plenty of CCs on you : slows, stuns and roots, you just cannot get close enough to interrupt ALL of them, nor far enough when being circled why 60 IQ @Grampasmurf ?

BECAUSE YOU ARE MELEE, you moron.

Of course I am talking to top PVPers who love hardmode challenges and fighting 1vX, obviously not to you.
Go back to range, zerging and PVE.

As DK since you will not be able to keep health high enough in 1VX, the only option is "Deep Breath" but the range is too short compared to Jesus Beam, you cannot interrupt all, and as stamina, heal and DPS is much too low. Perhaps a stamina version could help with its range equal to God beam.

So you're upset because you got stunned slowed and rooted and a kind hearted Templar came across you felt sorry and finished you off, but you didn't like his mercy and thought come on here and abuse Templars for using there main finisher.

Would you like a hug next time?

Lutallo

RD has a range, it also has a long channel time. You can interrupt it or outrun it.

Chances are, if you're silly enough to run into a wall of people and you're on low health, whether the templar is there or not, you're going to get finished by someone.

Edit: I just realised how relevant this is to my signature.

Cinbri

Do you realise that it is unblockable now? And block in 1.6 is the main thing to negate such channels. I remember when Soul Assault was unblockable and thus dealt insane damage. After it became blockable, effectiveness is heavily decresed and now it is rare used skill. In 1.7 damage was nerfed, LOS finally fixed, so after crit and unblock fixes, it will be much more less effective than in 1.6. Asking for nerf of currently bugged skill...
If you don't wanna see how people killing you by bugged ability - don't play pts.

Francescolg

Cinbri wrote: »

is the main thing to negate such channels.

The "main thing" against channelled skills / casted skills(/spells) is to INTERRUPT the target, btw, afterwards you get a nice +dmg bonus.

So, a magicka templar using this ability and others, is best countered by interrupt skills as = crushing shock and poison arrow. This is why many stamina users use bow, interrupt from distance.
Templars are easy targets, if you understand that most of their "important" skills are casted or channeled, more than any other class.
So -> you see a healer temp spamming his strong heal (1.x cast time!) -> you interrupt
you see a templar spamming his ae-spear skill (biting jabs, etc.) -> you interrupt
-> you see a templar using his distance "templar gimp crystal fragments with looong flight-time animation" -> you interrupt

Beside, any stamina build with 1k+ stamina regen has enough stamina left to roll-dodge, etc..

I see so many ways to counter Radiant Destruction, until you reach 25% health..

EnOeZ

Lutallo wrote: »

RD has a range, it also has a long channel time. You can interrupt it or outrun it.

Chances are, if you're silly enough to run into a wall of people and you're on low health, whether the templar is there or not, you're going to get finished by someone.

Edit: I just realised how relevant this is to my signature.

No I don't, it's only on resource depletion that a good player die FYI... well except when easy mode beamers are close.

You have no idea of the level of skill it requires to be competitive in DK full melee Heavy Armor Stamina (Gimped DPS and mobility, resource-starved mode) when you play aggressively out of Zergs and still being able to win 1vXs, when you are root, stun and full focused.

I wish fights were skill based, but I think game sellers have to satisfy low-skill players too, like you.

EnOeZ

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

EnOeZ wrote: »

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

If you health is low it will kill you quick but if your dumb enough to stand there and let the Templar Beam you from 100% to dead then I have to say you have a slight problem. If I can, then others can take 3-4 beamers at 100% health it does not do a huge damage burst at 100% health, it is a channelled spell over 3 sec, the huge damage does not come into effect till you are all but dead.

I wouldn't stand there and just let a another class just snipe me till dead either.

My problem is stupid people not knowing how to read.
I know how radiant works, I say, if you are melee you have plenty of CCs on you : slows, stuns and roots, you just cannot get close enough to interrupt ALL of them, nor far enough when being circled why 60 IQ @Grampasmurf ?

BECAUSE YOU ARE MELEE, you moron.

Of course I am talking to top PVPers who love hardmode challenges and fighting 1vX, obviously not to you.
Go back to range, zerging and PVE.

As DK since you will not be able to keep health high enough in 1VX, the only option is "Deep Breath" but the range is too short compared to Jesus Beam, you cannot interrupt all, and as stamina, heal and DPS is much too low. Perhaps a stamina version could help with its range equal to God beam.

So you're upset because you got stunned slowed and rooted and a kind hearted Templar came across you felt sorry and finished you off, but you didn't like his mercy and thought come on here and abuse Templars for using there main finisher.

Would you like a hug next time?

I am upset that one easy mode ability overcomes any amount of skill you can deploy with the use of one beam from a safe distance from 100% life to 0.

To make my point clear, for a successfull uppercut in the middle of the fight, you have to overcome all slows, roots and disables, stick to the target 1 full sec while under heavy fire, keep him in front of you (managing your resources like crazy, anticipating displacements, have full combat awareness, etc...) even if that target if roll dodging, teleporting somehow or using major expedition buff to finally land your blow 1s later OR....

As a templar you just push the ALLMIGHTY Jesus beam button !
No running, no hard targeting, no worry on your life, etc...

I always 1vX in my games, well because I can, like some few others.
1vX is not the issue here.

EnOeZ

Francescolg wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

is the main thing to negate such channels.

The "main thing" against channelled skills / casted skills(/spells) is to INTERRUPT the target, btw, afterwards you get a nice +dmg bonus.

So, a magicka templar using this ability and others, is best countered by interrupt skills as = crushing shock and poison arrow. This is why many stamina users use bow, interrupt from distance.
Templars are easy targets, if you understand that most of their "important" skills are casted or channeled, more than any other class.
So -> you see a healer temp spamming his strong heal (1.x cast time!) -> you interrupt
you see a templar spamming his ae-spear skill (biting jabs, etc.) -> you interrupt
-> you see a templar using his distance "templar gimp crystal fragments with looong flight-time animation" -> you interrupt

Beside, any stamina build with 1k+ stamina regen has enough stamina left to roll-dodge, etc..

I see so many ways to counter Radiant Destruction, until you reach 25% health..

Range bow interrupt is good, but I am full melee and want to play in the front line and we - melee DKs- lack the tools to.
Sadly your solution is not available to me.

No pb dueling templars though once again.

Reb

EnOeZ wrote: »

I am upset that one easy mode ability overcomes any amount of skill you can deploy with the use of one beam from a safe distance from 100% life to 0.

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what a complete pile of ...1 templar 1 beam will need to hit you at the very least twice possibly 3 times with a long channeled skill to kill you from full health

Joy_Division

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Side note @Joy_Division 15k wrecking blow means you stood their as he said fore!!!! And don't block and cc them you can't block and cast channeled attacks. Also heavy armor is a thing yes you lose some spell pin but really the trade off is worth it I have a two heavy 3.5 fully buffed Battlr Mage

If I just stood there as the wrecking blow spmmaer said "fore!!!" then the OP just stood there as the templar said "Praise Jesus!!!!"

EnOeZ

Reb wrote: »

EnOeZ wrote: »

I am upset that one easy mode ability overcomes any amount of skill you can deploy with the use of one beam from a safe distance from 100% life to 0.

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what a complete pile of ...1 templar 1 beam will need to hit you at the very least twice possibly 3 times with a long channeled skill to kill you from full health

Group PVP is the issue, not duels.

myrrrorb14_ESO

So if I understand this correctly. You are trying to 1vX a group. And you got killed because the group worked together and cc you then jesusu beamed you ti death...

Well I applaud your enthusiasm. Its not easy ti take on groups and win. Even pug groups. I would take it as a comiment that it took all if them working together to take you out. I really cant blame the templar for using his execute effectively, especially in group play. The dps on the jesus beam is okay at full health, but really doesnt shine until you get into the execute range where it starts to scale.

djosh79cub18_ESO

OP should roll a magicka Templar and see how truly gimpy they are compared to other classes. Plus, RD is being nerfed outside of execute range. RD is pretty much the only class ability the magicka Templar has for competitive damage. Dark Flare and Vampire's Bane can be dodged if you are sleeping.

Get out of RD range, line of site, charge the Templar and interrupt, use CC, block, dragon blood spam, etc.

RD leaves the Templar open to interrupt for 3+ seconds.

Have you never been hit with a Sorc's inevitable detonation, curse, instant crystal shard, mages fury combo? All of those are instant cast except the detonation.

Templars spam RD on you as a DK because it is the ONLY ranged spell they have to counter your flappy bat wings. Dark Flare, Vampire's Bane, Destructive reach, Crushing Shock........all projectiles.

Or is this just "There's a skill that my flappy wings cannot reflect? NERFZ!"

You want Soul Assault nerfed to?

eliisra

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

I'll never understand these kinds of posts.

1) We only have FIVE slots on each skill bar to work with. After all the obligatory toggles and buffs, I consider myself lucky if there's a slot left for a damage spell I can "spam" all day.

I know. I mean wtf we have 10 slots, that's down to 8 or 6 depending on toggles. In PvP you need to dedicate most of those slots on buffs and survivability, due to insanely short TTK.

So how are you going to NOT spam the few dps skills you have space for?

Everyone should go go make terrible builds with 5 different single target abilities doing the exact same thing, so unhappy guys can get a more aesthetically pleasing death recaps lol?

Only thing I would consider skill less spam, is players mashing one AoE ability over and over, even on single targets. If you're so incredibly lazy or bad in PvP, that you cant even target a player and use a single target skill, you might need help.

Reverb

It's a strong, cost effective, ranged, channeled skill. Of course any smart magicka build is going to use the crap out of it. On my Temp I only use it as a finisher most of the time. Overuse just draws attention.

An exception is against DKs. Since it's the only ranged attack I have that can't be reflected, I do use it at any point in the health bar, not just as an execute. Unless it's a DK I know is smart, and beaming him will just lead to me getting crit rushed to death. Then I just slink into the shadows and heal my group.