What trait will you use once nirnhoned becomes useless?

Strider_Roshin

I'm personally going to do 2 pieces reinforced and 5 pieces with divine, and use the new and improved serpent stone.

BigTone

Nirnhoned will not be rendered useless, it just won't be so damn OP

Strider_Roshin

BigTone wrote: »

Nirnhoned will not be rendered useless, it just won't be so damn OP

Nope, it'll be useless. They're giving it the same effect reinforced gives; except reinforced gives both physical and spell resistance; therefore putting something that will only give spell resistance on will be gimping yourself. They should have nerf'd it, I agree. However, the way they did is pretty much got rid of any desire I had for it.

BigTone

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

Nirnhoned will not be rendered useless, it just won't be so damn OP

Nope, it'll be useless. They're giving it the same effect reinforced gives; except reinforced gives both physical and spell resistance; therefore putting something that will only give spell resistance on will be gimping yourself. They should have nerf'd it, I agree. However, the way they did is pretty much got rid of any desire I had for it.

I'm pretty sure the percentage of spell resistance it will give will be higher than reinforced. If you want to focus on spell resistance it could be useful.

Ley

Probably a mix of mundus reinforced and nirn, same pretty much as I currently have.

eliisra

Depends whether they fix spell/armor penetration in PvP.

If not, than I go with Infused + Divine, since you're going to take 100% dmg anyway.

Half the population right now stacks nirnhoned weapon + apprentice + light armor passive and CP, so you need at least 30k spell resistance to even notice a difference against magicka nukers. Stamina players just as bad, using mace + sharpened bug + CP, reports with up to 70k armor penetration with DW.

Considering that ***, there's really no point in using anything that only boosts a moderate amount of spell/armor res. You'll be naked anyway.

But if they do fix penetration values, I'll probably mix nirnhoned/reinforced on heavy for max value, while having divine/infused on light.

Jeckll

eliisra wrote: »

Stamina players just as bad, using mace + sharpened bug + CP, reports with up to 70k armor penetration with DW.

70%, not 70k. A bit less OP, you see ^^

I probably go with Reinforced on major and Divines on minor pieces but I'm not 100% sure, yet.

Daveheart

7/7 Exploration. OP

chevalierknight

eliisra wrote: »

Depends whether they fix spell/armor penetration in PvP.

If not, than I go with Infused + Divine, since you're going to take 100% dmg anyway.

Half the population right now stacks nirnhoned weapon + apprentice + light armor passive and CP, so you need at least 30k spell resistance to even notice a difference against magicka nukers. Stamina players just as bad, using mace + sharpened bug + CP, reports with up to 70k armor penetration with DW.

Considering that ***, there's really no point in using anything that only boosts a moderate amount of spell/armor res. You'll be naked anyway.

But if they do fix penetration values, I'll probably mix nirnhoned/reinforced on heavy for max value, while having divine/infused on light.

Yeh same my magic nightblades 5 1 1 so ill put reinforced head and sholdiers the infuse my heavy cheast for max health rest divine spell resiest mudess should be over cap with passives

Erock25

chevalierknight wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Depends whether they fix spell/armor penetration in PvP.

If not, than I go with Infused + Divine, since you're going to take 100% dmg anyway.

Half the population right now stacks nirnhoned weapon + apprentice + light armor passive and CP, so you need at least 30k spell resistance to even notice a difference against magicka nukers. Stamina players just as bad, using mace + sharpened bug + CP, reports with up to 70k armor penetration with DW.

Considering that ***, there's really no point in using anything that only boosts a moderate amount of spell/armor res. You'll be naked anyway.

But if they do fix penetration values, I'll probably mix nirnhoned/reinforced on heavy for max value, while having divine/infused on light.

Yeh same my magic nightblades 5 1 1 so ill put reinforced head and sholdiers the infuse my heavy cheast for max health rest divine spell resiest mudess should be over cap with passives

Wouldn't Infused on helm be better since chest has more armor and so reinforced will give you more bang for your buck compared to infused which is same regardless of armor weight?

UPrime

Erock25 wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Depends whether they fix spell/armor penetration in PvP.

If not, than I go with Infused + Divine, since you're going to take 100% dmg anyway.

Half the population right now stacks nirnhoned weapon + apprentice + light armor passive and CP, so you need at least 30k spell resistance to even notice a difference against magicka nukers. Stamina players just as bad, using mace + sharpened bug + CP, reports with up to 70k armor penetration with DW.

Considering that ***, there's really no point in using anything that only boosts a moderate amount of spell/armor res. You'll be naked anyway.

But if they do fix penetration values, I'll probably mix nirnhoned/reinforced on heavy for max value, while having divine/infused on light.

Yeh same my magic nightblades 5 1 1 so ill put reinforced head and sholdiers the infuse my heavy cheast for max health rest divine spell resiest mudess should be over cap with passives

Wouldn't Infused on helm be better since chest has more armor and so reinforced will give you more bang for your buck compared to infused which is same regardless of armor weight?

Head/Chest/Leg gives same full armor and enchant stats. The rest of the slots give half.

Jeckll

UPrime wrote: »

Head/Chest/Leg gives same full armor and enchant stats. The rest of the slots give half.

No. Same Enchants yes, but Armor is different.

Joy_Division

Nirnhoned. Because it will still be good rather than stupidly OP.

chevalierknight

Erock25 wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Depends whether they fix spell/armor penetration in PvP.

If not, than I go with Infused + Divine, since you're going to take 100% dmg anyway.

Half the population right now stacks nirnhoned weapon + apprentice + light armor passive and CP, so you need at least 30k spell resistance to even notice a difference against magicka nukers. Stamina players just as bad, using mace + sharpened bug + CP, reports with up to 70k armor penetration with DW.

Considering that ***, there's really no point in using anything that only boosts a moderate amount of spell/armor res. You'll be naked anyway.

But if they do fix penetration values, I'll probably mix nirnhoned/reinforced on heavy for max value, while having divine/infused on light.

Yeh same my magic nightblades 5 1 1 so ill put reinforced head and sholdiers the infuse my heavy cheast for max health rest divine spell resiest mudess should be over cap with passives

Wouldn't Infused on helm be better since chest has more armor and so reinforced will give you more bang for your buck compared to infused which is same regardless of armor weight?

Im using engine guardian

Joy_Division wrote: »

Nirnhoned. Because it will still be good rather than stupidly OP.

Deltia and syther say reimforced is better only use it on weapons

RinaldoGandolphi

chevalierknight wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Depends whether they fix spell/armor penetration in PvP.

If not, than I go with Infused + Divine, since you're going to take 100% dmg anyway.

Half the population right now stacks nirnhoned weapon + apprentice + light armor passive and CP, so you need at least 30k spell resistance to even notice a difference against magicka nukers. Stamina players just as bad, using mace + sharpened bug + CP, reports with up to 70k armor penetration with DW.

Considering that ***, there's really no point in using anything that only boosts a moderate amount of spell/armor res. You'll be naked anyway.

But if they do fix penetration values, I'll probably mix nirnhoned/reinforced on heavy for max value, while having divine/infused on light.

Yeh same my magic nightblades 5 1 1 so ill put reinforced head and sholdiers the infuse my heavy cheast for max health rest divine spell resiest mudess should be over cap with passives

Wouldn't Infused on helm be better since chest has more armor and so reinforced will give you more bang for your buck compared to infused which is same regardless of armor weight?

Im using engine guardian

Joy_Division wrote: »

Nirnhoned. Because it will still be good rather than stupidly OP.

Deltia and syther say reimforced is better only use it on weapons

They would be wrong...Reinforced only makes sense on Heavy Armor, using it on Light Or Medium is gimping yourself.

Light Armor users using Damage Shields would be far better served using Infused on large pieces and divines on small, perhaps even using mostly Divines like Pixysticks used to to get the most out of his Mundas stone (Apprentice) He could get..since you using damage shields folks will rarely get to your HP anyways so it make sense, as a Light Armor user you wll most likely die anyways if someone bursts your shields.

Medium Armor users will find the Divines Trait far more valuable now that the Serpent Stone is being changed to Stamina Regen, with the nerf to dodge roll, that stone will be even more important, and they will need to squeeze as much out of it as possible to mitigate damage, 1 dodge roll will mitigate far more damage then 5 Reinforced Medium Armor, and the extra you can squeeze out of it from Divines may be the difference in making that 4th dodge roll to get behind that rock of over that hill to survive. Not to mention Well Fitted...Stamina Med Armor users can run like the Wind, Nightblades with Speed buffs can really move fast and for a long time with lots of well fitted traits...running around like Flash does have benefits...see Fengrush.

Heavy Armor users are the ones who will see the big bang out of Reinforced...

if your going 2 Heavy 5 Light or something, then yes i could see putting Reinforced on your two heavy pieces, it makes sense. I just don't see the point of putting Reinforced on Light or even Med Armor when there will be far better options for survivability, such as being able to sprint much longer, get more bang out of your Mundas Stone, or increasing your resources. just my two cents.

chevalierknight

Didnt read as noone said it was better vs light or heavy plus who are you because yeh i think ill take there word for it over a nobody.

And you get spell resist from reinforced so yeh agine who are you?

ToRelax

That fanboism

Emma_Overload

Daveheart wrote: »

7/7 Exploration. OP

You may be joking, but some of the most OP sets in the game have crap traits like Exploration or Training.

Vanzen

What about impenetrable ? I had given up on it then put back a few pieces I had lying around and noticed a real increase in mitigating.

trimsic_ESO

Probably impenetrable, with the corresponding Champion's passive maxed out, in order not to be one shot - sorry two shot at the next patch.

RinaldoGandolphi

chevalierknight wrote: »

Didnt read as noone said it was better vs light or heavy plus who are you because yeh i think ill take there word for it over a nobody.

And you get spell resist from reinforced so yeh agine who are you?

There is your problem.

Yes i know you get spell resistance from Reinforced.

Who am I? Someone who doesn't have a YouTube account, and actually knows how to spell..

Joy_Division

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Didnt read as noone said it was better vs light or heavy plus who are you because yeh i think ill take there word for it over a nobody.

And you get spell resist from reinforced so yeh agine who are you?

There is your problem.

Yes i know you get spell resistance from Reinforced.

Who am I? Someone who doesn't have a YouTube account, and actually knows how to spell..

You obviously need to get a YouTube account

k2blader

Probably most of the same stuff I use now since using nirn now is lame, for lack of a better word.

Just don't cry about getting hit as hard as you should've been these past few months.

Vynist

I have use DW maces with sharpened and I don't notice an increase in damage.

Ezareth

chevalierknight wrote: »

Didnt read as noone said it was better vs light or heavy plus who are you because yeh i think ill take there word for it over a nobody.

And you get spell resist from reinforced so yeh agine who are you?

He's actually right.

If Sypher and Deltia (Who was wrong on his last video comparing Impen and Reinforced) said that they were wrong.

Math is not hard.

And before you ask I'm the freaking Banana of the Dominion! (And I DO have a Youtube channel too!)

Personally, I think many people are going to need to truly understand their character and their build as there are situations where all of the useful traits are going to be most powerful.

Light Armor will favor Infused and Divines the most with Impenetrable being a possibility since Hitpoints are going to be worth far more now.

Medium Armor I would say depends on your playstyle the most. If you're planning on playing a stamina build other than an absolute glass cannon I'd say Well-fitted is the best. Well-fitted in the everyone has reduced mobility except Stamina users 1.7 patch is going to be that much better. Reinforced or Nirnhoned depending on your goals and what kills you most are equally viable.

Heavy armor and shields will almost always benefit most from Reinforced and Nirnhoned.

The real issue with Nirnhoned armor traits as I understand how they'll work in 1.7 is it will be hard to justify the extra 10-15K in price (depending on how far it drops) for the benefit.