Tab-targeting must be removed from pvp.

Pobeda

Hi all. I new in forum, but not in game. Sorry for my English, but I want bring to on tab-targeting problem in pvp. I like non-targeting idea of combat, it more interesting and more fun to play when you need aim to your target. And tacically non-target allow more tactical resolves in game. But now in pvp you just can press tab and use your abilities whithout aiming (as example I can use jesusbeam no target if it in my back and I look different side), or you can use gap close abilities on target even if it far from you view (as example - you stand in 1 side of house and your enemy in opposite site of this building and this shortest distance that you can`t cross less 20 meters, but to run to him - you must cross 2 corner and real travel distace about 35-40 meters - and you just use gap-closer ability and get to enemy that you can`t phisically view. In big battles - where many peoples run - tab-targeting allow you conentrate on 1 target and you can`t miss him or attack player that stay direct between you and him. Most breakgaming for my concern it tab-targeting and attacking mist form. I remind - this form can`t be attacked by single attack (only melee or aoe). This skill break ability to damage, heal, purge - only moving and damage reduction. But when you tab-targeting Mist form user you can just direct damage him from any distance, any skills or spells. You can drop slow on him, root on him or stun them. But this skill must prevent controll. Most breakgaming example of this skill - when DK charge on you and drop talon. Root in mist form = 4 second of stun, couse you can`t damage, can`t move, can`t healing, can`t do purge. Only dodge can break this. And for magicka builds (where mostly used mist form) it very very expensive and seriosly drop you surviviality. And tabtargeting make such skills useless.
This is only most known examples of gamebreaking usings tab-targeting in pvp.

hereiamhereibe2

Buy a console, theres no targeting system on there.

chevalierknight

hereiamhereibe2 wrote: »

Buy a console, theres no targeting system on there.

Or he could use it him self seems these forums are full of people who cant change with the metas

Sausage

I agree, they could make new skills/morphs based on that, its too good for everyone to use as much they want. Like NB's skill called Mark Target.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Tab targeting is one of the few ways that allow you to maybe kill someone who is running in big heal / purge spamming group. If you remove it, you would probably encourage people even more to stack on crown and spam skills instead of fighting actively.

Pobeda

Big heal/purge spamming groups easy killed by 4-6 orginized people whith magica detonation (both morph can`t be purged) and summary one time damage equal more then 30-50k damage (most healers have 20-25k total + 10k shield). So you oneshoot healers and second attack kill other group. I see so much time when train be killed easy and fast. But your example shown how tab-targeting exploitable. It not about skill in pvp. Did you never see NB macrosers whith 30-40k damage in 1 second by using 5-7 skills by using cancel animation?

Roselle

More fun to play when you can't target?

I certainly don't think that. I want to aim with superb dexterity! I even requested the option to provide marketing symbols, like 1-10, smiley face, frowny face, etc.

Garion

The targeting system needs to be improved, not removed...

Olen_Mikko

I agree, targeting should be removed and it should be "manual." It looks stupid when arrows especially has curves and they act like they're heat-seeking missiles.

Kebo

To be honest, Tab-Target system SUCKS a lot. It doesn't even target right... Sometimes I tab target someone and the skills hit somebody else.. its broken and needs to be fixed not removed.

AbraXuSeXile

Get rid of tab targetting and this game becomes full blown aoe train as far as the eye can see. Tab targetting and assisted targetting should be improved and added then aoe may not be the meta.

Roselle

Kebo wrote: »

To be honest, Tab-Target system SUCKS a lot. It doesn't even target right... Sometimes I tab target someone and the skills hit somebody else.. its broken and needs to be fixed not removed.

If someone stands in front of your tab target, it can hit that person instead.

Why do you think the Goblin is always in the front?

Goblin!!!

Vizier

I actually agree. Tab Target should be removed. When you can tab someone and see where they are despite not having a line of sight there is something broken about it. I've seen where tab even stays on stealthed and cloaked players. Get rid of tab targeting. It's just not cool and too easy an exploit IMO. (not actually an "exploit" since it's in the game and probably according to ZoS, "working as intended, but it's a feature that should probably just go away.)

AssaultLemming

Tab targeting is totally essential for single target builds when fighting against a zerg. Removing it would be awful.

koetty

On console there's no targeting And i'm glad about it.

Trollwut

Garion wrote: »

The targeting system needs to be improved, not removed...

This.

As a melee fighter, I can tab-target an enemy and still attack the one "directly on/besides him".
At least for melees it doesn't make any sense in PvE.

ToRelax

How about no.

In fact, that you can target mistform is precisely the main reason why I think removed lock target would be a bad idea.
It's nowhere stated in the tooltip that this ability would prevent anyone from targetting you. It already drastically reduces the damage and you also should be able to time your cc skills correctly to hit players who come out of mistform. And even against that, there is already counterplay with block cancelling.
But ZOS should make us able to hit players in mistform without having to lock them before they use it already.

And what the others said about stacking up is also true, even in a spread out small scale fight enemies would seek safety in numbers even more, making it a lot harder to fight outnumbered, making numbers even more important at the expense of skill.

Kupoking

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Tab targeting is one of the few ways that allow you to maybe kill someone who is running in big heal / purge spamming group. If you remove it, you would probably encourage people even more to stack on crown and spam skills instead of fighting actively.

YEP.

even though sometimes I get to attack people I dont have in target randomly around the tab targetted dude.

Tankqull

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Get rid of tab targetting and this game becomes full blown aoe train as far as the eye can see. Tab targetting and assisted targetting should be improved and added then aoe may not be the meta.

yep would love to see some actual assist options.
but with the current TTK it would end in a fragfest...

Joy_Division

Tab targetting is necessary because you should have a mechanism to hit a desired target.

That being said, the tab lock should go away when LOS is broke.

SturgeHammer

I can't ever get the tab targeting to work correctly. I would like the lock to go away if they leave LoS. Also, maybe have an option to auto target someone you hit with a light/heavy attack, since that seems to be the only time it is really relevant to me, most single target spells seem to hit what I want with out it.

VincentBlanquin

remove it. or let it broken if not))

Gorthax

i am bout done with this game.....people will cry about ANYTHING! next they will want to remove manual character movement and skill activation, citing that it is too difficult to do all of that in pvp, and ZoS should just implement a auto fun feature that makes the best choices for them....

LegacyDM

What is the heck is the op talking about? Tab targeting in this game is a soft lock. In no way does it currently provide the player with any targeting advantage other than provide the player a visual identifier on his target. Spells and skills do not automatically hit target with tab targeting. You still have to manually move your combat reticule directly on the center of the target for spells or skills to hit. In fact, I can tab target all day long and still miss, if my reticule is in the tab target box but not on the center mass of the opponent.

Pobeda

Gorthax wrote: »

i am bout done with this game.....people will cry about ANYTHING! next they will want to remove manual character movement and skill activation, citing that it is too difficult to do all of that in pvp, and ZoS should just implement a auto fun feature that makes the best choices for them....

What you doing on forum then? Problems must be named, disscussed and solved. Or when ZOS not solve it - we recieve trash as now on pvp - half of all players are nightblades. And most use cancel animation macross exploit. When TTK in game become less a second most time pvp servers empty, even in prime time, even in end of week. Tab-targeting is problem. Concept of pvp game, mechanic of gameplay, exploitable problem.
As example I don`t get problem whith instashield people. Never. But they nerf it greatly in income patch. So for you concern only couse I don`t have problem whith instashiledrs they must drop it as it now and not working about this? It very stupid mental orientation you have. I up problem couse all use mist form tabtargeting exploit, all use see enemy outside LoS and so on. It break fun of play and tacticaly greatly reduce possibilities on pvp. You can`n save yourself, using enviromental, only couse they see you anywere you try hide. You can`t escape, couse nb tp on you from anydirection, even when not LoS and geometrocally much higher or lower then you (I see this many times).

Reverb

When I forget to lock in a target, sometimes I end up throwing things at a DK with his flaps up. That makes me feel dumb, because I know better. Tab targeting help protect me from my own idiocy. I'm a fan.

Pobeda

Reverb wrote: »

When I forget to lock in a target, sometimes I end up throwing things at a DK with his flaps up. That makes me feel dumb, because I know better. Tab targeting help protect me from my own idiocy. I'm a fan.

Another example how tab-targeting exploitable. You can stack behind your reflectiong DK and any way be damaged, couse idiotic tab-targeting don`t count position on battlefield. You can`t run inside enemys zerg - just couse every tab-targeting you and damage bypass frinedlyfire lock skill activation. Just try run in zerg whouthout tabtargeting - and you be very surpirsed how it can save your life from direct skills.

k2blader

Roselle wrote: »

More fun to play when you can't target?

I certainly don't think that. I want to aim with superb dexterity! I even requested the option to provide marketing symbols, like 1-10, smiley face, frowny face, etc.

Vizier

I will rephrase my previous thoughts. I had said it should be removed. It should stay only if tab targeting is made to fail when LOS is broken either by terrain, stealth, cloak or invis pots. If ZoS can handle that it should stay. If they can't it should go.