Is Templar so bad?

ThinkAgain

Hello, i just started Elder Scrolls Online, and i created a templar, its 15 right now. But whenever i see a topic about pvp, everyone saying templars are worst class. I am a heavy pvp player, i am playing eso just for alliance war. So if the templar gonna hurt me after i reach max level, i want to open a new class before to late....

TechnicalGeezer

Hello ThinkAgain,

I have tried the Templar class and it is equally as useful on PvP than it is on PvE.
It is very good at damage and even better at healing. My friend is a Templar and can do enormous amounts of damage.

The only problem with the Templar class whether or not you're going for full DPS or healing you are going to be killed quite easy if you're going solo due to the light armor so make sure that you have healing spells or damage resistance spells on your second weapon so that you have an equal chance with people wearing medium and heavy armor.

ThinkAgain

Thanks Geezer,

I am trying to build pure a DPS templar, so i choose stamina for it. I always liked to heavy armors, so no problem with it. But before eso, i played wow as hunter for 10 years, so i know how to handle an archer. So iam think about making an archer nightblade, if its better then templar ofcourse

Leandor

Another one of my "just my personal opinion" posts.

I think that all classes have their place in Cyrodiil and every class can be similarly effective. It depends on your personal style. I have dabbled in magicka nightblade for a long time, but only after changing that to stamina blade, I have gotten reasonably good. My personal style is more suited to the stamina blade.

So, if you feel comfortable with the templar, that is the class for you. Try it in the non-vet campaign right away.

Also, it is never a bad idea to make a twink right away. If you feel more comfortable with another class, then that one is probably better suited to your style. Just don't delete the other one

BurtFreeman

ThinkAgain wrote: »

Hello, i just started Elder Scrolls Online, and i created a templar, its 15 right now. But whenever i see a topic about pvp, everyone saying templars are worst class. I am a heavy pvp player, i am playing eso just for alliance war. So if the templar gonna hurt me after i reach max level, i want to open a new class before to late....

well, templar is the best healer of the game, so if your going into this job, you'll enjoy pvp.
templar is my second choice, sorc is the first: both are very strong all around.

TechnicalGeezer

ThinkAgain wrote: »

Thanks Geezer,

I am trying to build pure a DPS templar, so i choose stamina for it. I always liked to heavy armors, so no problem with it. But before eso, i played wow as hunter for 10 years, so i know how to handle an archer. So iam think about making an archer nightblade, if its better then templar ofcourse

Leandor is 100% correct.

I personally have no experience with bows and nightblades however, NPC's with bows seem to hurt... a lot. I believe that once it's fully upgraded it may do a lot of damage but don't quote me on that.

P.S I was also a hunter on WoW

Xqluded

Don't listen to the hate. I stand by my comment that Templar is by far the best and most dangerous class, dps or healer. Played right a Templar can take multiple player enemies at once most I've personally taken is 1v4 and still had plenty or magicka and Stamina to fight anyone that decided to jump in after.

Its all about the build and the player skill. Not the class. I refuse to jump on the "this class is better" bandwagon it's all rage and bs

ConvictedRambo

Xqluded wrote: »

Don't listen to the hate. I stand by my comment that Templar is by far the best and most dangerous class, dps or healer. Played right a Templar can take multiple player enemies at once most I've personally taken is 1v4 and still had plenty or magicka and Stamina to fight anyone that decided to jump in after.

Its all about the build and the player skill. Not the class. I refuse to jump on the "this class is better" bandwagon it's all rage and bs

All the classes can be utilized effectively. Bethesda put a lot of time into balancing it out and that's why we only have four classes crammed together.

Templar are monsters waiting to be unleashed. Multi-class dominance.

Soris

ThinkAgain wrote: »

Hello, i just started Elder Scrolls Online, and i created a templar, its 15 right now. But whenever i see a topic about pvp, everyone saying templars are worst class. I am a heavy pvp player, i am playing eso just for alliance war. So if the templar gonna hurt me after i reach max level, i want to open a new class before to late....

Templar currently shines in small scale groups as do dragon knights. Sorcs and NBs are better for solo roam because of their ability to pick their fights and disengage at will.

Though, a good player can slaughter many average skilled players with whatever class in 1vX, this has nothing to do with class balance. But if we take 2 equally skilled, equally geared players(one templar and one nightblade) NB will always have upper hand because of his class strengths and synergies between class skills and weapon skills.

Templar have heals and shields yes, but currently damage > heal, offence > defence.
Sure a templar can play high dmg builds but he will never reach the level of burst of some classes have. Because templar class has naturally more bonuses to defensive playstyle.

Xqluded

Soris wrote: »

ThinkAgain wrote: »

Hello, i just started Elder Scrolls Online, and i created a templar, its 15 right now. But whenever i see a topic about pvp, everyone saying templars are worst class. I am a heavy pvp player, i am playing eso just for alliance war. So if the templar gonna hurt me after i reach max level, i want to open a new class before to late....

Templar currently shines in small scale groups as do dragon knights. Sorcs and NBs are better for solo roam because of their ability to pick their fights and disengage at will.

Though, a good player can slaughter many average skilled players with whatever class in 1vX, this has nothing to do with class balance. But if we take 2 equally skilled, equally geared players(one templar and one nightblade) NB will always have upper hand because of his class strengths and synergies between class skills and weapon skills.

Templar have heals and shields yes, but currently damage > heal, offence > defence.
Sure a templar can play high dmg builds but he will never reach the level of burst of some classes have. Because templar class has naturally more bonuses to defensive playstyle.

I agree with everything. Except NB having the upper hand. Some of you may have seen my posting a few under this asking almost this same question but more so wanted people's viewings to get a picture in why people say x class is best.....but I asked why is everyone saying Nightblade and sorc is OP when my Templars which is strewn as the worst of the 4 slaughters them.....not lower levels but equally skilled vet 14's.,..of the thousands of NBs I've soloed I'd say maybe 100 have killed me....due to a mistake on my end....weapon swap error or getting a bit nervous due to being jumped.

But I rarely lose a 1v1 2 or 3. It's all skill not class....not saying I'm super skilled....but on console were all still learning...most of us vets on console are close in skill. I just truly believe it's a he said she said or this class is OP because I was killed by it more than others type...

Kas

it's not "bad" at all. it has a few significant problems, though:

1) Stamina Templars are no rare sight, yet they do pretty much everything a stamina nightblade does but not as good. Imho, this is the most obvious example. There are stamina templars that do really well, there are enough people that play the class. Still, the same player could do more as a nightblade.

2) Just like DK's, Templars are really starved for a skill to pick theri fights. i.e. escape and chase. This reason makes several TPs go for stamina and end up as light-version of stam NBs.

3) Granted, purifying ritual + BoL is awesome (self purge, huge heal input, can heal others pretty well, spamming actually makes sense in 4-man groups unlike sapmming healing ward where you always only target the lowest player). However, what really determines if someone lives or not is his stamina pool. Often, a single heal or healing ward is enough and the target will live if it's still mobile. If out of stamina, CC'ed etc, it'sd almost impossible to heal through the damage done by more than one enemy.

4) Playing magicka, the restoration staff skills are still incredbly powerful. Illustrious is still the best heal for zergs (this might not be the most interesting fact) and healing ward (especially in combination with mistform) is crazy strong. However, other classes can use this just as well.

All in all, templars can do really well. A good player can still easily solo kill 4 others at the same time (stam or mag) and especially in some group situations, BoL and repentance alone are enough reason to really, really, want a templar. Further, jesus beam is awesome against perma dodgers (the good ones usually have ways to deal with it but can still be annoyed. the bad ones that just dodge on open field will die quickly).

However, when looking at the solo side only, even if templars can be storng, they are just not as good as others.

eliisra

ThinkAgain wrote: »

Hello, i just started Elder Scrolls Online, and i created a templar, its 15 right now. But whenever i see a topic about pvp, everyone saying templars are worst class. I am a heavy pvp player, i am playing eso just for alliance war. So if the templar gonna hurt me after i reach max level, i want to open a new class before to late....

If you want to be strong individually or solo right now(most hardcore PvP'ers do), you should consider a different class. Templar is currently best as a pillar of a group, doing support, heavy healing and some off-dps.

Also why all hardcore or competitive PvP'ers ditched their templar and re-rolled sorc or nb. Same reason why 99% of all PvP videos aren't made by templars. I mean even dat single guy making templar videos is now playing NB.

However, templars where in a way better spot in this past. Use to be one of the best classes fore duelling and very capable solo. It's mostly this burst/escape meta in 1.6 that screwed them over. No one knows how templar will stand v.s. other classes after next major update.

Eejit1331

Soris wrote: »

ThinkAgain wrote: »

Hello, i just started Elder Scrolls Online, and i created a templar, its 15 right now. But whenever i see a topic about pvp, everyone saying templars are worst class. I am a heavy pvp player, i am playing eso just for alliance war. So if the templar gonna hurt me after i reach max level, i want to open a new class before to late....

Templar currently shines in small scale groups as do dragon knights. Sorcs and NBs are better for solo roam because of their ability to pick their fights and disengage at will.

Though, a good player can slaughter many average skilled players with whatever class in 1vX, this has nothing to do with class balance. But if we take 2 equally skilled, equally geared players(one templar and one nightblade) NB will always have upper hand because of his class strengths and synergies between class skills and weapon skills.

Templar have heals and shields yes, but currently damage > heal, offence > defence.
Sure a templar can play high dmg builds but he will never reach the level of burst of some classes have. Because templar class has naturally more bonuses to defensive playstyle.

This is right on with one exception. OP wants to be stamina and all of the temps heals are based off of spell and magicka. Biting jabs hits very, very hard. I really like my stamina templar and I feel he shine the best when I'm in a group that has a hhealer. So the question is, are you looking for groyp, solo or a little of both?

Hawco10

Hello mate, Like you I'm newish and a templar. PVE I roll with the tried and trusted 5 light and 2 heavy, primary bar is shield and sword, secondary is staff and magika stuff, staff has a spell resistance and the secondary bar is made up of magic resistance/damage stuff.
Armor I wear in pvp depends on the situation, looks like a brawl then it's all medium with magika bonusues, if not a brawl then its back to the 5 light. hard to keep range in the field as some dudes can insta jumpo right towards you, so thats why I have the mediums etc.
I'm shorty about to go full healer on the secondary, never seems to be enough healers going about.

CatchMeTrolling

Don't listen to them lol the top 3 players in thornblade ep just happens to be Templars and I happen to be one of them. Not to mention you can take on multiple people...

Mr_Nobody

ThinkAgain wrote: »

Hello, i just started Elder Scrolls Online, and i created a templar, its 15 right now. But whenever i see a topic about pvp, everyone saying templars are worst class. I am a heavy pvp player, i am playing eso just for alliance war. So if the templar gonna hurt me after i reach max level, i want to open a new class before to late....

If you play it all the way through PvP till max level, you will master the Templar. Same as I and quite a few other templars have. Class is a beast, not sure about 1.7 but we will see. You can do everything except stealth and bolt away ~ Good luck

Cinbri

So many people thinking that spamming Breath button making class comparable...

cazlonb16_ESO

Templar is not unplayable in any aspect of the game and generally speaking the balancing issues in ESO are smaller than they used to be in the first and second generation MMOs.

A host of usability issues put Templars at somewhat of a disadvantage in competitive content though.

These may or may not be adressed in future updates, so far ZOS have been rather slow and unwilling to acknowledge they even exist ( or slithered between "it's a bug" and "f'in deal with it already" ).

In PvP you can do alright even with an Argonian ( widely seen as the worst race by some margin ) Templar. Just be aware that it's far from optimal and will require more effort on your part.

yodased

Templars are amazing, you just have to be thinking 2-3 steps ahead of your opponent to really win.

IMO:

Templar -> High Damage,Medium DOT, High Heals, High Survive. Low Mobility, Low Burst
NB -> Medium Damage, Medium Heals, Medium DOT,Low Survive, High Mobility, High Burst
Sorc -> High Damage, Low Heals, Low DOT, Medium Survive, High Mobility, High Burst
DK -> High Damage, High DOT. High Self Heals, High Survive, Low Mobility, Medium Burst

Thats obviously only based on class not on weapon choice. Templars by and far can dominate if played correctly, you just have to know how your cast times are, what skills to use in what situation and have the ability to predict your opponents actions

Mr_Nobody

yodased wrote: »

Templars are amazing, you just have to be thinking 2-3 steps ahead of your opponent to really win.

IMO:

Templar -> High Damage,Medium DOT, High Heals, High Survive. Low Mobility, Low Burst
NB -> Medium Damage, Medium Heals, Medium DOT,Low Survive, High Mobility, High Burst
Sorc -> High Damage, Low Heals, Low DOT, Medium Survive, High Mobility, High Burst
DK -> High Damage, High DOT. High Self Heals, High Survive, Low Mobility, Medium Burst

Thats obviously only based on class not on weapon choice. Templars by and far can dominate if played correctly, you just have to know how your cast times are, what skills to use in what situation and have the ability to predict your opponents actions

I would disagree about Templars having no burst. In fact, built for that templar has possibly the highest single target (due to projectile travel times) and aoe burst damage in the game with the exception of a correctly built nightblade *bowtarding* from stealth.

Fizzlewizzle

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Templars are amazing, you just have to be thinking 2-3 steps ahead of your opponent to really win.

IMO:

Templar -> High Damage,Medium DOT, High Heals, High Survive. Low Mobility, Low Burst
NB -> Medium Damage, Medium Heals, Medium DOT,Low Survive, High Mobility, High Burst
Sorc -> High Damage, Low Heals, Low DOT, Medium Survive, High Mobility, High Burst
DK -> High Damage, High DOT. High Self Heals, High Survive, Low Mobility, Medium Burst

Thats obviously only based on class not on weapon choice. Templars by and far can dominate if played correctly, you just have to know how your cast times are, what skills to use in what situation and have the ability to predict your opponents actions

I would disagree about Templars having no burst. In fact, built for that templar has possibly the highest single target (due to projectile travel times) and aoe burst damage in the game with the exception of a correctly built nightblade *bowtarding* from stealth.

Just for ... research... What rotation has a very high burst damage?
(Its not a single skill, that's for sure. Else you wouldn't be talking about travel speed.)

Mr_Nobody

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Templars are amazing, you just have to be thinking 2-3 steps ahead of your opponent to really win.

IMO:

Templar -> High Damage,Medium DOT, High Heals, High Survive. Low Mobility, Low Burst
NB -> Medium Damage, Medium Heals, Medium DOT,Low Survive, High Mobility, High Burst
Sorc -> High Damage, Low Heals, Low DOT, Medium Survive, High Mobility, High Burst
DK -> High Damage, High DOT. High Self Heals, High Survive, Low Mobility, Medium Burst

Thats obviously only based on class not on weapon choice. Templars by and far can dominate if played correctly, you just have to know how your cast times are, what skills to use in what situation and have the ability to predict your opponents actions

I would disagree about Templars having no burst. In fact, built for that templar has possibly the highest single target (due to projectile travel times) and aoe burst damage in the game with the exception of a correctly built nightblade *bowtarding* from stealth.

Just for ... research... What rotation has a very high burst damage?
(Its not a single skill, that's for sure. Else you wouldn't be talking about travel speed.)

As simple as it gets ~ Dark Flare, Entropy, Dark Flare and Beam. First DF and Beam hit at the same time with the 2nd Flare coming on top in ~1second. Not even sorcs can get close to that. But again, you have to be built for that. Ive ran such build, for me it was fun for a day or two as it was 1shotting people left and right fest, but got boring pretty quick since its not my style. So instead, im 1shotting multiple people in melee range. ~ Hoorah Templars!

THEDKEXPERIENCE

The hardest person to kill in PVP is an all health, heavy armor Templar aka the Night Blade's worst nightmare. I've killed so many NBs in 1 on 1 situations it's hysterical. All you gotta do it stretch the fight out past 10 seconds by spamming BoL. If you have rapid maneuvers they can't get away either. It's glorious.

Heavy Armor Templar on Heavy Armor Templar 1 on 1 battles commonly stretch past 5 minutes.

On a side note my triple fireball and its +1500 crit bonus gives me a ton of kills I really don't deserve. Highly recommended.

Isarii

Kas wrote: »

1) Stamina Templars are no rare sight, yet they do pretty much everything a stamina nightblade does but not as good. Imho, this is the most obvious example. There are stamina templars that do really well, there are enough people that play the class. Still, the same player could do more as a nightblade.

This is probably my main issue with the class in PvP right now. There is literally no reason to play a Stamina Templar in PvP, because so much of our class utility is tied to our healing or otherwise scales directly with magicka, making it virtually useless in a Stamina build.

That said, I'm extremely interested in the pro-hybridization itemization changes coming in the next update. If we get sets that can make DPS/Heal Templars viable, that's going to be a total game-changer for the Templar in PvP. The extra damage reduction coming to PvP in the same patch will help us as well, as it'll be just a little bit easier to keep ourselves up (I know healing will be getting hit as well - as it should be - but slower TTK will give us a larger window to activate those skills, even if the healing:damage ratio remains proportionately the same).

GNRNCSBLSS

Reallyyyyyyyyy not sure what most of you are talking about, do you even know what you're saying?

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/jabsmania-templar-stamina-dd-build-for-update-1-6/

^^^ Highest sustained DPS build (PvE) in the game right now, dk fire mages pull more dps, but only for fights lasting shorter than 40seconds, anything else, stamina templar wins, absolutely no arguments. And for AoE purposes, the stamina templar far outperforms the dk firemage, in any situation.

As for PvP you have:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz9FytHU7VQ
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLwRGY041Lw
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i01A8ePC09g
or
plenty others.

In the end however, it's your skill, nothing else.

Cinbri

GNRNCSBLSS wrote: »

Reallyyyyyyyyy not sure what most of you are talking about, do you even know what you're saying?

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/jabsmania-templar-stamina-dd-build-for-update-1-6/

^^^ Highest sustained DPS build (PvE) in the game right now, dk fire mages pull more dps, but only for fights lasting shorter than 40seconds, anything else, stamina templar wins, absolutely no arguments. And for AoE purposes, the stamina templar far outperforms the dk firemage, in any situation.

As for PvP you have:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz9FytHU7VQ
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLwRGY041Lw
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i01A8ePC09g
or
plenty others.

In the end however, it's your skill, nothing else.

Sad reality is that most of high skilled players has twinks for every class and all agree that templar is the weakest of 4 classes. noone rolled from sorc, nb or dk to play templar, instead many templars rolled other classes(lets hope 1.7 will change it). Skill won't help you when balance is broken. Btw @GNRNCSBLSS you posted 3 video as example, however players from 2 of them already rolled nb as their main...

danno8

Cinbri wrote: »

GNRNCSBLSS wrote: »

Reallyyyyyyyyy not sure what most of you are talking about, do you even know what you're saying?

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/jabsmania-templar-stamina-dd-build-for-update-1-6/

^^^ Highest sustained DPS build (PvE) in the game right now, dk fire mages pull more dps, but only for fights lasting shorter than 40seconds, anything else, stamina templar wins, absolutely no arguments. And for AoE purposes, the stamina templar far outperforms the dk firemage, in any situation.

As for PvP you have:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz9FytHU7VQ
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLwRGY041Lw
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i01A8ePC09g
or
plenty others.

In the end however, it's your skill, nothing else.

Sad reality is that most of high skilled players has twinks for every class and all agree that templar is the weakest of 4 classes. noone rolled from sorc, nb or dk to play templar, instead many templars rolled other classes(lets hope 1.7 will change it). Skill won't help you when balance is broken. Btw @GNRNCSBLSS you posted 3 video as example, however players from 2 of them already rolled nb as their main...

And one of them was from pre 1.6 ....

And they are all vampires naturally...

Asha_Veor

Lol, Templars are not the weakest class in pvp, Sorc's are and have been since launch.

Other then being a shield stacking glass cannon blink blink, sorc's really have few successful options in pvp or out of it.


Templars on the other hand, can do anything. Best healers in game, Second best tanks and they tie for second best DPS. It truly depends on your build, your skills, your gear, your CP.

Cinbri

Asha_Veor wrote: »

Lol, Templars are not the weakest class in pvp, Sorc's are and have been since launch.

melloni_aleb16_ESO

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Templars are amazing, you just have to be thinking 2-3 steps ahead of your opponent to really win.

IMO:

Templar -> Medium Damage ( stamina ),.....
NB -> Very High Damage , ...

now....is correct !

Ludof

Templar is the best class you can choose for PVE (Best healer and one of the best Stamina DD).
Just don't play Templar in PvP if you like to duel or solo:you'll regret.

(I have 3 Templar,1 DK,1 NB and 1 Sorcs)