Swallow Soul/Funnel Health Post 1.7

TheBull

I pretty concerned about this ability post 1.7. For me it's just getting to a place where it is useful. Decent damage with a decent heal over time. 1 year ago it was one of the reason why I made a Nightblade. It's a pretty Iconic skill to me, and unique to ESO. It's heal is based on the damage done.

Once 1.7 hit SS/FH will be hit twice really hard. Like I said above it's just to the point where it performs decently, at times it under performs still though. Taking a 30% nerf to damage and a 35% nerf to the return heal over time will push this skill back into uselessness. Please consider buffing 1 if not both the components of this skills come 1.7.

@ZOS_RichLambert
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Artesar

Is there a source available?

pjwb16_ESO

Artesar wrote: »

Is there a source available?

Last ESO live -.-
basically all damage is nerfed as is all heal

Kerioko

They mentioned skill changes for NB at the 58 min - 1 hour mark. The only changes I heard mentioned was the changes to cloak to make it a more reliable escape.....granted I see it getting the same treatment as bolt escape and dodge once the QQ'ers hit the forums.

The only other ability mentioned is grim focus going from 7 light attacks to 4, meaning it may actually become a viable dps option similar to a sorcs frag procs.

Can you point out the exact time during live that the changes you are announcing was mentioned.

I know in 1.6 they did a lot of beefing up the siphoning line to make it so NB's could be viable healers, however funnel health was not brought up to the damage as other skills. While I could understand a slight increase in cost to be on par with something like concealed weapon or crushing shock, nerfing its damage and healing capability would basically be a big "FU" to all NB healers and tanks!

Artesar

They want to prolong fights hence the damage nerf. But i see some characters be hurt more than others. NB for instance need to kill fast. So if they really bugfix cloak just to nerf it in line with bolt escape etc. in the following then what is left that makes a NB viable?

The Uninvited

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Artesar wrote: »

Is there a source available?

Last ESO live -.-
basically all damage is nerfed as is all heal

Nope. Only for the Cyrodill buff:

- Battle Spirit (Cyrodiil Buff) will reduce damage, healing and damage shields by 50%.

Kerioko

Question: Are you referring to how funnel health will preform in PVP when they flat decrease all damage and healing by 50%? Because I can still find no reference to changes with the actual skill!

pjwb16_ESO

The Uninvited wrote: »

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

Artesar wrote: »

Is there a source available?

Last ESO live -.-
basically all damage is nerfed as is all heal

Nope. Only for the Cyrodill buff:

- Battle Spirit (Cyrodiil Buff) will reduce damage, healing and damage shields by 50%.

i was assuming he is talking about pvp, otherwise his post would be meaningless

Tankqull

TheBull wrote: »

I pretty concerned about this ability post 1.7. For me it's just getting to a place where it is useful. Decent damage with a decent heal over time. 1 year ago it was one of the reason why I made a Nightblade. It's a pretty Iconic skill to me, and unique to ESO. It's heal is based on the damage done.

Once 1.7 hit SS/FH will be hit twice really hard. Like I said above it's just to the point where it performs decently, at times it under performs still though. Taking a 30% nerf to damage and a 35% nerf to the return heal over time will push this skill back into uselessness. Please consider buffing 1 if not both the components of this skills come 1.7.

@ZOS_RichLambert
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

well as every ability is affected by it wont lose efficiancy compared to other abilities. as long as ZOS doesent make extreme failures in applying the debuffs.
e.g. calculate the potential dmg on an attack - get the heal value information, apply both debuffs seperatly -> every thing is
fine.
instead of screwing those skills and comparable abilities over by reducing the delve values of the skills when entering cyrodiil, calculate heal values based upon those modified dmg values and then aply the 50% reduction to the heal part of those skills effectivly reducing them by 75% instead of the announced 50%...

TheBull

Kerioko wrote: »

Question: Are you referring to how funnel health will preform in PVP when they flat decrease all damage and healing by 50%? Because I can still find no reference to changes with the actual skill!

Yes in Cyrodiil

notimetocare

Tankqull wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

I pretty concerned about this ability post 1.7. For me it's just getting to a place where it is useful. Decent damage with a decent heal over time. 1 year ago it was one of the reason why I made a Nightblade. It's a pretty Iconic skill to me, and unique to ESO. It's heal is based on the damage done.

Once 1.7 hit SS/FH will be hit twice really hard. Like I said above it's just to the point where it performs decently, at times it under performs still though. Taking a 30% nerf to damage and a 35% nerf to the return heal over time will push this skill back into uselessness. Please consider buffing 1 if not both the components of this skills come 1.7.

@ZOS_RichLambert
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

well as every ability is affected by it wont lose efficiancy compared to other abilities. as long as ZOS doesent make extreme failures in applying the debuffs.
e.g. calculate the potential dmg on an attack - get the heal value information, apply both debuffs seperatly -> every thing is
fine.
instead of screwing those skills and comparable abilities over by reducing the delve values of the skills when entering cyrodiil, calculate heal values based upon those modified dmg values and then aply the 50% reduction to the heal part of those skills effectivly reducing them by 75% instead of the announced 50%...

Has it been tested if Siphon dbl dip in the current debuffing? Im not mathy enough o bother myself.

TheBull

Tankqull wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

I pretty concerned about this ability post 1.7. For me it's just getting to a place where it is useful. Decent damage with a decent heal over time. 1 year ago it was one of the reason why I made a Nightblade. It's a pretty Iconic skill to me, and unique to ESO. It's heal is based on the damage done.

Once 1.7 hit SS/FH will be hit twice really hard. Like I said above it's just to the point where it performs decently, at times it under performs still though. Taking a 30% nerf to damage and a 35% nerf to the return heal over time will push this skill back into uselessness. Please consider buffing 1 if not both the components of this skills come 1.7.

@ZOS_RichLambert
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

well as every ability is affected by it wont lose efficiancy compared to other abilities. as long as ZOS doesent make extreme failures in applying the debuffs.
e.g. calculate the potential dmg on an attack - get the heal value information, apply both debuffs seperatly -> every thing is
fine.
instead of screwing those skills and comparable abilities over by reducing the delve values of the skills when entering cyrodiil, calculate heal values based upon those modified dmg values and then aply the 50% reduction to the heal part of those skills effectivly reducing them by 75% instead of the announced 50%...

I don't understand. All I see is due to battlespirit the heal will do 30% less damage, which will cause the return HoT to be less. Then that lessened return HoT will be hit again for another 35% less healing. Am I describing your second example here?

Snit

All damage and heals will be severely nerfed. If you're going to ask for an exception limited to one class, Nightblade is probably the class least in need of the help

Tankqull

TheBull wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

I pretty concerned about this ability post 1.7. For me it's just getting to a place where it is useful. Decent damage with a decent heal over time. 1 year ago it was one of the reason why I made a Nightblade. It's a pretty Iconic skill to me, and unique to ESO. It's heal is based on the damage done.

Once 1.7 hit SS/FH will be hit twice really hard. Like I said above it's just to the point where it performs decently, at times it under performs still though. Taking a 30% nerf to damage and a 35% nerf to the return heal over time will push this skill back into uselessness. Please consider buffing 1 if not both the components of this skills come 1.7.

@ZOS_RichLambert
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

well as every ability is affected by it wont lose efficiancy compared to other abilities. as long as ZOS doesent make extreme failures in applying the debuffs.
e.g. calculate the potential dmg on an attack - get the heal value information, apply both debuffs seperatly -> every thing is
fine.
instead of screwing those skills and comparable abilities over by reducing the delve values of the skills when entering cyrodiil, calculate heal values based upon those modified dmg values and then aply the 50% reduction to the heal part of those skills effectivly reducing them by 75% instead of the announced 50%...

I don't understand. All I see is due to battlespirit the heal will do 30% less damage, which will cause the return HoT to be less. Then that lessened return HoT will be hit again for another 35% less healing. Am I describing your second example here?

exactly

PBpsy

Since Malefic Wreath will get a slight damage scaling buff everything will balance out . Magicka Nbs ,the only type of build that actually has enough magicak to do 2-3 cloaks or needs to do 2-3 of them to actually make it work. will still be the OP king gods of the universe, as they always were both in PVP and PVE.

We all know when we could do 30% more dps than the magicka DKs.
We all remember when we could take 10 good player with ease.
Oh that happened.

TheBull

PBpsy wrote: »

Since Malefic Wreath will get a slight damage scaling buff everything will balance out . Magicka Nbs ,the only type of build that actually has enough magicak to do 2-3 cloaks or needs to do 2-3 of them to actually make it work. will still be the OP king gods of the universe, as they always were both in PVP and PVE.

We all know when we could do 30% more dps than the magicka DKs.
We all remember when we could take 10 good player with ease.
Oh that happened.

You're kidding right? That's easily that might be the most unused skill in the game and for good reason. Your target has to be doing absolutely nothing for it to work. Otherwise you are sitting there waving your hand over and over.

PBpsy

TheBull wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Since Malefic Wreath will get a slight damage scaling buff everything will balance out . Magicka Nbs ,the only type of build that actually has enough magicak to do 2-3 cloaks or needs to do 2-3 of them to actually make it work. will still be the OP king gods of the universe, as they always were both in PVP and PVE.

We all know when we could do 30% more dps than the magicka DKs.
We all remember when we could take 10 good player with ease.
Oh that happened.

You're kidding right? That's easily that might be the most unused skill in the game and for good reason. Your target has to be doing absolutely nothing for it to work. Otherwise you are sitting there waving your hand over and over.

No. Agony will be ...fixed by ... increasing Malefic Wreath's the damage scaling a bit . It was announced in the last ESO live. Rejoice.

TheBull

PBpsy wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Since Malefic Wreath will get a slight damage scaling buff everything will balance out . Magicka Nbs ,the only type of build that actually has enough magicak to do 2-3 cloaks or needs to do 2-3 of them to actually make it work. will still be the OP king gods of the universe, as they always were both in PVP and PVE.

We all know when we could do 30% more dps than the magicka DKs.
We all remember when we could take 10 good player with ease.
Oh that happened.

You're kidding right? That's easily that might be the most unused skill in the game and for good reason. Your target has to be doing absolutely nothing for it to work. Otherwise you are sitting there waving your hand over and over.

No. Agony will be ...fixed by ... increasing Malefic Wreath's the damage scaling a bit . It was announced in the last ESO live. Rejoice.

I see what you did there. Sig in the bottom right. You got me

helediron

Yes, let's rejoice about Agony. When magicka NBs are about 30% behind others in DPS, we get slight increase in damage to give a minor rash to enemy, unless someone sneezes to that direction.

There is no need to make an exception to Funnel because of battle spirit. But Funnel and other magicka skills need buffing regardless of battle spirit. Stamina NB is fine - don't mix these two. Magicka NB needs buffing.

I am playing multiple classes at VR14 and craft or buy top gear for them. Each toon should have close to best builds including some exploits of the month. My main crafter has been magicka NB because of versatility and i can't much respec when crafting takes major part of skillpoints. And infinite cloak is so useful for farming. Sad truth is that it is the worst DPS currently. Even my templar is better as DD. Yesterday i gave up and switched to stamina. I hate it because magicka NB is interesting and versatile build. It just lacks the oomph.

PBpsy

helediron wrote: »

Yes, let's rejoice about Agony. When magicka NBs are about 30% behind others in DPS, we get slight increase in damage to give a minor rash to enemy, unless someone sneezes to that direction.

There is no need to make an exception to Funnel because of battle spirit. But Funnel and other magicka skills need buffing regardless of battle spirit. Stamina NB is fine - don't mix these two. Magicka NB needs buffing.

I am playing multiple classes at VR14 and craft or buy top gear for them. Each toon should have close to best builds including some exploits of the month. My main crafter has been magicka NB because of versatility and i can't much respec when crafting takes major part of skillpoints. And infinite cloak is so useful for farming. Sad truth is that it is the worst DPS currently. Even my templar is better as DD. Yesterday i gave up and switched to stamina. I hate it because magicka NB is interesting and versatile build. It just lacks the oomph.

Having played a main magicka NB since day one I unfortunately have to agree. More or less the worst magicka dps class at the moment. Although I think can get slightly more dps than on a temp using a tedious dot rotation my temp will have infinitely more utility than the useless overheal HOT that is supposed to be the magicka NB utility.
They had the option to do something interesting with Agony and open up the magicka NB builds by giving extra options to compensate for the 1.6 nerfs they instead chose to scale up the useless skill damage. Quite amazing.



There is a good news for magicka NB though. Using assassins will on 4 hits could give a good boost to the dps. if it would also recast the buff on fire it would be even better..

Rylana

TheBull wrote: »

I pretty concerned about this ability post 1.7. For me it's just getting to a place where it is useful. Decent damage with a decent heal over time. 1 year ago it was one of the reason why I made a Nightblade. It's a pretty Iconic skill to me, and unique to ESO. It's heal is based on the damage done.

Once 1.7 hit SS/FH will be hit twice really hard. Like I said above it's just to the point where it performs decently, at times it under performs still though. Taking a 30% nerf to damage and a 35% nerf to the return heal over time will push this skill back into uselessness. Please consider buffing 1 if not both the components of this skills come 1.7.

@ZOS_RichLambert
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Raise the cost back up to something not ridiculous like 400 (like it is now) and sure i guess?

I mean that ability is ridiculously broken right now in terms of cost/damage and cost/heal

JDar

This is such a cheap, lazy way to fix the TTK issue. *facepalm*

Artesar

They tried the same in Dark Age of Camelot years ago. Had to revoke the change because archers couldnt kill things any more. History repeats itself ...

There ARE classes who are more reliant on killing fast than others.

pjwb16_ESO

Artesar wrote: »

They tried the same in Dark Age of Camelot years ago. Had to revoke the change because archers couldnt kill things any more. History repeats itself ...

There ARE classes who are more reliant on killing fast than others.

i would like it if archers couldnt kill anythin any more they should come and fight me and dont snipe me from stealth