50% reduced damage in Cyrodiil!

Kloud

Thoguhts?

CMG138

Double edged sword.

Kobaal

No one will die. Healers will out heal everything.

ThatHappyCat

Heals are also reduced you know, as are damage shields.

CMG138

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Heals are also reduced you know, as are damage shields.

Is there something I don't know about for damage shields being reduced? I mean seriously, I might have missed a post somewhere.

cozmon3c_ESO

i was going to say perma block casters will be OP but with the change to where they dont get stam regen while holding block down, it may be balanced with this change to cyrodiil damage.

driosketch

CMG138 wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Heals are also reduced you know, as are damage shields.

Is there something I don't know about for damage shields being reduced? I mean seriously, I might have missed a post somewhere.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/190098/bolt-escape-dodge-blocking-shields-nerf/p1

Makkir

nevermind

iseko

NB's are gonna own cyrodiil.

Sorcs lost their blinky.

Templars... Shiiiiiit. Heavy armor is useless. Dmg is already insanely low atm. With 50% reduction they wont be able to kill a wolf. Blocking is not going to be an option... Jup sad day for (magicka) templars. Stamina will be the way to go.

DK's... Better then templar worse then NB.

NB is gonna be the roll dodging/cloacking highest burst can noone touch me class out there.

Domander

iseko wrote: »

NB's are gonna own cyrodiil.

Sorcs lost their blinky.

Templars... Shiiiiiit. Heavy armor is useless. Dmg is already insanely low atm. With 50% reduction they wont be able to kill a wolf. Blocking is not going to be an option... Jup sad day for (magicka) templars. Stamina will be the way to go.

DK's... Better then templar worse then NB.

NB is gonna be the roll dodging/cloacking highest burst can noone touch me class out there.

Templar damage is insanely low???

iseko

Domander wrote: »

iseko wrote: »

NB's are gonna own cyrodiil.

Sorcs lost their blinky.

Templars... Shiiiiiit. Heavy armor is useless. Dmg is already insanely low atm. With 50% reduction they wont be able to kill a wolf. Blocking is not going to be an option... Jup sad day for (magicka) templars. Stamina will be the way to go.

DK's... Better then templar worse then NB.

NB is gonna be the roll dodging/cloacking highest burst can noone touch me class out there.

Templar damage is insanely low???

Yes. In pvp it is.

Cinbri

Not a big deal for templars as their burst damage all the time was the worst, but it will be problem for those glass 2-shotting builds.

Domander

iseko wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

iseko wrote: »

NB's are gonna own cyrodiil.

Sorcs lost their blinky.

Templars... Shiiiiiit. Heavy armor is useless. Dmg is already insanely low atm. With 50% reduction they wont be able to kill a wolf. Blocking is not going to be an option... Jup sad day for (magicka) templars. Stamina will be the way to go.

DK's... Better then templar worse then NB.

NB is gonna be the roll dodging/cloacking highest burst can noone touch me class out there.

Templar damage is insanely low???

Yes. In pvp it is.

No, it's not, not if you are built for damage.

tist

What's new with sorc blink?

Rune_Relic

NB best ???
Burst damage reduced.
Enemy health increased.
Roll dodge on 33% cost increase per use.
Many armour sets capitalise on roll dodge to increase damage etc.
Medium armour stamina is roll dodge focused. Heavy armour is block focused
Cloak is revealed on AoE damage nullifying sneak bonus damage.

Soris

Rune_Relic wrote: »

NB best ???
Burst damage reduced.
Enemy health increased.
Roll dodge on 33% cost increase per use.
Many armour sets capitalise on roll dodge to increase damage etc.
Medium armour stamina is roll dodge focused. Heavy armour is block focused
Cloak is revealed on AoE damage nullifying sneak bonus damage.

Medium armor was not roll dodge focused. It is there since the update 6. Before that, dodge roll was more like some strategic, situational movement instead of infinite spam. So it will be just like 1.5 in 1.7. Hopefully hybrid builds will also back with this change.

"Enemy health increased."

And where do you get this info?

Master_Kas

I think most are wrong.

Rolldodge cost increase, blocking no stam regen.

Shields got nerfed by 50% but that will hurt the templar/dk shields most since they scale of health.

There is not a change that makes each shield you stack cost more after each use nor that it stops your mana regen.
Shieldstacking will be the nr1 defensive manouver in the game and sorcs will have it best in that department.

Mark my words :>

iseko

Rune_Relic wrote: »

NB best ???
Burst damage reduced.
Enemy health increased.
Roll dodge on 33% cost increase per use.
Many armour sets capitalise on roll dodge to increase damage etc.
Medium armour stamina is roll dodge focused. Heavy armour is block focused
Cloak is revealed on AoE damage nullifying sneak bonus damage.

@Rune_Relic BE got nerfed, Block got nerfed, Roll dodge got nerfed, Nirned got nerfed (hell that one needed nerfing!), Cloak got BUFFED.

So a magicka NB has got an even better escape now (cloak). Their damage will be lower (50% reduction for everyone) but since nirned won't be as effective their burst will increase respective to stamina builds. And they have 2 skills which can basically reset a fight (fear/cloak).

Yea... magicka NB's are going to do well.

timidobserver

Gankers will just have to be more creative.

Rune_Relic

iseko wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

NB best ???
Burst damage reduced.
Enemy health increased.
Roll dodge on 33% cost increase per use.
Many armour sets capitalise on roll dodge to increase damage etc.
Medium armour stamina is roll dodge focused. Heavy armour is block focused
Cloak is revealed on AoE damage nullifying sneak bonus damage.

@Rune_Relic BE got nerfed, Block got nerfed, Roll dodge got nerfed, Nirned got nerfed (hell that one needed nerfing!), Cloak got BUFFED.

So a magicka NB has got an even better escape now (cloak). Their damage will be lower (50% reduction for everyone) but since nirned won't be as effective their burst will increase respective to stamina builds. And they have 2 skills which can basically reset a fight (fear/cloak).

Yea... magicka NB's are going to do well.

Point I was trying to make is stamina NB is severely crippled if you add Stacking costs to cloak. So NB is not in a good place from a stamina perspective.
Magicka NB maybe not so much.

Pre 1.5 stamina NB has a serious problem with resource management.
I really don't want to end up in the same position again due to magicka build versions.

If there is a way for better balance without crippling stamina builds then by all means I am all ears if it levels the playing field

R0M2K

You forget the Nirhoned nerf in that calculations.


Its Howarts time.... AGAIN.

Strider_Roshin

I hope you can opt out of battle leveling.

TheElementalPlatypus

if they -50%'d everything and killed block? nothing changes really? idk but statistically it KIND OF looks that way (could be overlooking a lot)

Soris

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

if they -50%'d everything and killed block? nothing changes really? idk but statistically it KIND OF looks that way (could be overlooking a lot)

You are right.
50% nerf to everything = Same as now, eveything will just downslace. But you will just have more time to react and less instagibs since health pools remain same. TTK will increase
Kiling block = Will make it worse beyond imagination. Stupid. Unnecessary. Overnerfing. TTK will decrease.
The impact will be kinda same.

Detector

Welcome to the long boring combat.

(c) Next Update

Rylana

you people are failing to realize it is not an additional 50 percent reduction in damage

they are bringing damage reduction to 50 percent

check your battle spirit buff as it is currently, its not as big of a damage drop as you might think

Septimus_Magna

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

if they -50%'d everything and killed block? nothing changes really? idk but statistically it KIND OF looks that way (could be overlooking a lot)

Not exactly, TTK for gankers will increase (which was needed) because the target isnt blocking. In normal fights the TTTK tanks will drastically decrease because their stamina regen stops while blocking. So I would say this is in fact a buff for players who dont use block a lot and a nerf for blockcasters. I dont think its bad that they increase the survivabitly of dps builds and decrease the survivabilty of tanky builds.

Kupoking

It will mostly be the same except you wont 1 shot people

Merlin13KAGL

The reductions effectively do two things:

1. TTK goes up, fewer no-time-to-react fights.
2. Points in Health once again become worth more.
   • Shields will be less effective as a mitigation increase vs raw Health. Now, a 20k Health + 10k shield is effectively the same as 30k health. At 5k DPS, it's a 6 second fight.
   • After, character one is effectively 25k health, character two still at 30k. 5k DPS turns into 2.5k DPS. 10 second fight for character #1, character number 2 gets an additional 2 seconds.

Numbers low, but kept simple for demonstration purposes. It will give people a better chance to react and respond, and probably lead towards shifting some points back into Health again.

iliatha

longer fights = more adds, gues it will become a 100% harder to solo pvp -> no need to play any longer if im right.

eliisra

kai_dahmenb16_ESO wrote: »

longer fights = more adds, gues it will become a 100% harder to solo pvp -> no need to play any longer if im right.

From a gankers perspective, that's probably true. You might have to team up with another guy, if you want to keep gibbing players before they have a chance to react. Or adapt and make builds that can finish them of after the sneak burst momentum is over.

But I expect the opposite to happen when it comes to non-gankers. More of them will roam solo, when the fear of getting rekt in 1 sec, goes away.

Especially the case for Skyrim casuals, pugs and the type of players we refer to as "randoms", that usually sits inside a keep or on a resource, waiting for "escorts" so they can get to nearest fight or enemy keep. One of the reasons they do that, is fear of getting insta-killed when all alone in the wilderness, than having to horse- or sneak simulator all over again.

It's just common sense. Cyrodiil becomes less dangerous and more cuddly, if gankers cant insta-kill and the TTK goes up. Less dangerous means more guys growing balls and venturing out on their own to find some 1v1 or skirmish on the way.