Templars and next patch

bosmern_ESO

Wanted to know if ZoS is possibly addressing a lot of problems that templars face in the coming patch. I know they said there will be major balancing, but magic Templars need a lot more then balancing (Even without nirn our damage is lacking)

So if it would be at all possible if ZoS could pop in and say if they are working on Templars in the next patch that would be very appreciated!

Tankqull

what are you dreaming of at night?

Ernest145

Hopefully we get good changes and a radiant destruction nerf because I hate how templars are just known as jesus beam spammers.

olsborg

Tbh, im not against templars having an execute, im all for it actually, but the way radiant destruction works, with ignoring dodge, block and the range...is just stupid. Give them an execute that doesnt....do what it currently does.

Zsymon

Ernest145 wrote: »

Hopefully we get good changes and a radiant destruction nerf because I hate how templars are just known as jesus beam spammers.

A nerf is really the last thing Templars need, the only reason they spam jesus beam is because it's their only decent skill, every other class skill they got is useless in PvP. Radiant Destruction was already nerfed four times so far, I think that is more than plenty.

Derra

olsborg wrote: »

Tbh, im not against templars having an execute, im all for it actually, but the way radiant destruction works, with ignoring dodge, block and the range...is just stupid. Give them an execute that doesnt....do what it currently does.

Yeah. Pretty much 100% what he said.

Also buff the sorc execute.

Robbmrp

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Wanted to know if ZoS is possibly addressing a lot of problems that templars face in the coming patch. I know they said there will be major balancing, but magic Templars need a lot more then balancing (Even without nirn our damage is lacking)

So if it would be at all possible if ZoS could pop in and say if they are working on Templars in the next patch that would be very appreciated!

Personally I think Templars are in a pretty good place. I'm having a lot of fun in PVP right now and was having a hard time at first but I've got a pretty good gear balance now and like my attacks as they are. I use the Jesus beam but not as much as other spells. It's useful for long distant damage in addition to an execute.

Instead of them working on balancing, I would rather have the working to correct the lagging in the game. Things are in a pretty good place right now for everything except for PVE being too easy. The # 1 Priority for them should be the game lag for PC players. When PS4 or Xbox One people whine about game lag they get a hot fix. PC players have had to deal with lag for well over a year now, it's time that it gets resolved.....

Soris

Tankqull wrote: »

what are you dreaming of at night?

Fix ALL THE BUGS.
Buff Blazing Shield.
Buff Radiant Aura.
Remove Beam and give Blinding Flashes back or something similar.
Give old Mending passive.
Remove knockback from Jabs, make it instant and change the animation.
Buff Reflective Light damage.

Thanks That's enough for now.

I'm dreaming these changes each night

bosmern_ESO

Ernest145 wrote: »

Hopefully we get good changes and a radiant destruction nerf because I hate how templars are just known as jesus beam spammers.

Radiant Destruction is the Templar version of Flame lash, concealed weapon, Crystal fragments.

chongguang

If Templar got a buff, then at least, sorcerers should get as well.
Right now , sorcerer is the weakest or most unwelcomed class compare to other 3.
See trials and VDSA , the one will found few and few teams bring them to the battle.

bosmern_ESO

chongguang wrote: »

If Templar got a buff, then at least, sorcerers should get as well.
Right now , sorcerer is the weakest or most unwelcomed class compare to other 3.
See trials and VDSA , the one will found few and few teams bring them to the battle.

Seeing sorcs can get the highest dps That's not completely true.

Soris

chongguang wrote: »

If Templar got a buff, then at least, sorcerers should get as well.
Right now , sorcerer is the weakest or most unwelcomed class compare to other 3.
See trials and VDSA , the one will found few and few teams bring them to the battle.

Any buff to current magic sorc builds would hurt pvp though especially after nirn fix(if fix is coming). They may not shine in pve, I'm not the expert but must be careful before doing anything.

chongguang

Soris wrote: »

chongguang wrote: »

If Templar got a buff, then at least, sorcerers should get as well.
Right now , sorcerer is the weakest or most unwelcomed class compare to other 3.
See trials and VDSA , the one will found few and few teams bring them to the battle.

Any buff to current magic sorc builds would hurt pvp though especially after nirn fix(if fix is coming). They may not shine in pve, I'm not the expert but must be careful before doing anything.

I agree with this , though sorcerer needs buff for pve aspect, IT MUST BE DONE VERY CAREFULLY for the reason you mentioned.

Zsymon

chongguang wrote: »

If Templar got a buff, then at least, sorcerers should get as well.
Right now , sorcerer is the weakest or most unwelcomed class compare to other 3.
See trials and VDSA , the one will found few and few teams bring them to the battle.

Yet Sorcs are the most powerful class by far in PvP. After the Nirn fix they will become twice as powerful as they already are, beyond overpowered, therefor any changes to PvE should not make them even more powerful in PvP. The only option I can see is increasing their stationary AoE capabilities (Lightning Splash), so they do more damage against trash monsters. But any increase in DPS against single targets will completely warp PvP.

tengri

OP, what are you doing? You must be new in town!

Templars are perfectly fine. Really. Hey, Z, if you read this: really. Don't touch anything! Please!
We all still remember vividly what happens if you try to fix us...

Baconlad

Yeah there isn't anything wrong with templar...we rock at every role we do. Magic melee, magic range, healing, heal tanking, tanking, stamina tanking, melee stamina, range stamina...id rather be a templar in any role than another class. Temps rule

Rev Rielle

Now since offense across the board for all has been giving such a boost over the last months, I'd just be happy if they removed the healing de-buff in Cyrodiil. It's not Templar specific but it certainly affects us.

Alcast

chongguang wrote: »

If Templar got a buff, then at least, sorcerers should get as well.
Right now , sorcerer is the weakest or most unwelcomed class compare to other 3.
See trials and VDSA , the one will found few and few teams bring them to the battle.

Nightblade is on a much worse position than sorc in PvE.

Sorc is actually pretty decent.

Ernest145

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

Hopefully we get good changes and a radiant destruction nerf because I hate how templars are just known as jesus beam spammers.

Radiant Destruction is the Templar version of Flame lash, concealed weapon, Crystal fragments.

Puncturing sweeps is the templars version of flame lash, CW and frags.
My main and favorite class is templar I really hope radiant destruction gets a nerf the fact that it executes through dodge roll and you can't even LOS it because how broken it is, is already bad enough. In pvp all you see is templars spamming RD because everything else we have cannot compete with night blades and sorcs. I would hope they make it work like how impale works an instant cast not a channel but make it a bit stronger and really buff the hell out of our other skills.

Alcast

Ernest145 wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

Hopefully we get good changes and a radiant destruction nerf because I hate how templars are just known as jesus beam spammers.

Radiant Destruction is the Templar version of Flame lash, concealed weapon, Crystal fragments.

Puncturing sweeps is the templars version of flame lash, CW and frags.
My main and favorite class is templar I really hope radiant destruction gets a nerf the fact that it executes through dodge roll and you can't even LOS it because how broken it is, is already bad enough. In pvp all you see is templars spamming RD because everything else we have cannot compete with night blades and sorcs. I would hope they make it work like how impale works an instant cast not a channel but make it a bit stronger and really buff the hell out of our other skills.

THough Puncturing Sweeps/Biting Jabs is pretty broken, as soon as there is slightly lag it is almost impossible to hit people, and all you need to do is step 2m left and you cant "reallocate" your jab in time....

Jesus beam its the range that is the problem...28m cmon ZOS, really...

Ernest145

yeah true and it sucks because even like sword and board majicka templars can't block cast a good single target dps skills unlike dks and nbs. yeah the range is pretty stupid and i hate how it literally move through walls when you try to los it.

maxjapank

I like Radiant as is. Honestly, it barely does anything unless you are in execute range. And if your health is that low, you'd probably die to any other execute. I do think Blinding Flashes was a good skill, but I'd much prefer they replace Eclipse instead.

Tankqull

Alcast wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

Hopefully we get good changes and a radiant destruction nerf because I hate how templars are just known as jesus beam spammers.

Radiant Destruction is the Templar version of Flame lash, concealed weapon, Crystal fragments.

Puncturing sweeps is the templars version of flame lash, CW and frags.
My main and favorite class is templar I really hope radiant destruction gets a nerf the fact that it executes through dodge roll and you can't even LOS it because how broken it is, is already bad enough. In pvp all you see is templars spamming RD because everything else we have cannot compete with night blades and sorcs. I would hope they make it work like how impale works an instant cast not a channel but make it a bit stronger and really buff the hell out of our other skills.

THough Puncturing Sweeps/Biting Jabs is pretty broken, as soon as there is slightly lag it is almost impossible to hit people, and all you need to do is step 2m left and you cant "reallocate" your jab in time....

Jesus beam its the range that is the problem...28m cmon ZOS, really...

range is not the problem in itself, the problem is that it doesent bother range, LOS and defensive options but cloak after its initiation - the 28m are ok if it would be rupted if you get out of these 28m wich it doesent [while soul assault does].
and that the first 2-3 ticks are not animated.

Ernest145

If they at least made it so it doesn't start hurting you until the animation hits you then I will be happy and the fact that the range is so long.

Zsymon

You can block RD, you can interrupt it with Venom Arrow and Crushing Shock, you can Purge it.. it barely does any damage outside of execute range, and it doesn't do any more damage than other executes.. I really do not see the problem. It is slightly better than Mage's Fury sure because it can be pre-cast, but it costs three times as much magicka too.

I don't use RD, but I see no reason to nerf it, there are plenty of counters. On the whole Templars need a ton of upgrades, not nerfs.

ToRelax

The only issue I have with Radiant Destruction is that it's undodgeable.
Purging is kinda useless as it just start right again, interrupting is rarely possible when you're outnumbered (and don't tell me I would loose my fight anyway when I am low and outnumbered, looks more like this skill is designed to make that as hard as possible).

I am not sure what happened to Rushed Ceremony now. If it has that casttime ZOS wanted to add that's crap and should get a faster animation and it's casttime removed.

Sunfire and Solar Flare both need their travel speed increased and some other feature.
The NB's Crippling Grasp is like Vampire's Bane with a root + speedbuff.
Crystal Fragments Remind of Dark Flare with a knockdown instead of healing debuff, but with the proc chance.

Sun Shield should be fine if we hadn't such low health pools.
Since we shouldn't have such tiny healthpools, I wouldn't change Sun Shield.

Eclipse should get it's bugs fixed before changing it, it might not be so bad, even though it seems inconvenient couting it as a hard cc. It often just absorbs projectiles, it appears later for the target (who can not even cc break before it does), it locks players out from ability use, etc. How can you judge wether it's balanced like that.

A root somewhere would be very useful for a Templar.

The original radius of the activation for the Supernova synergy should be restored to what it was pre 1.6 (just like any other ability that got this kind of change).

Soris

ToRelax wrote: »

I am not sure what happened to Rushed Ceremony now. If it has that casttime ZOS wanted to add that's crap and should get a faster animation and it's casttime removed.

There is no cast time currently, it never has. Just the animation is super slow. Though you can animation cancel it for instant heal but normally the animation time is like 1.5 sec of eternity. Maybe less, I didn't measure the exact time but it indeed feels like eternity in a fight^^

Agree with the rest of your post and thanks

Baphomet

Radiant oppression can be blocked, the ranged thing is just a visual glitch (it stops dealing damage once you exceed it range) and its the only proper counter to infinite dodge-rollers together with lava whip. It is absolutely fine as it is - it just needs to have its LOS fixed. Period.

Erlex

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Wanted to know if ZoS is possibly addressing a lot of problems that templars face in the coming patch. I know they said there will be major balancing, but magic Templars need a lot more then balancing (Even without nirn our damage is lacking)

So if it would be at all possible if ZoS could pop in and say if they are working on Templars in the next patch that would be very appreciated!

They will absolutely fix our Templar charge. And when I say fix, I mean, they will put it in the patch notes, and then it will still be broken. I think that is pretty much a guarantee at this point.

Erlex

Baphomet wrote: »

Radiant oppression can be blocked, the ranged thing is just a visual glitch (it stops dealing damage once you exceed it range) and its the only proper counter to infinite dodge-rollers together with lava whip. It is absolutely fine as it is - it just needs to have its LOS fixed. Period.

I actually agree with this statement. Its purgeable, interruptable, and its blockable. Thats a lot more drawbacks than pretty much every other ability in the game. I would trade it in a heartbeat for a instant cast 20k dmg nuke that knock down stuns. (thats what sorcs have for dmg FYI).

bosmern_ESO

Erlex wrote: »

Baphomet wrote: »

Radiant oppression can be blocked, the ranged thing is just a visual glitch (it stops dealing damage once you exceed it range) and its the only proper counter to infinite dodge-rollers together with lava whip. It is absolutely fine as it is - it just needs to have its LOS fixed. Period.

I actually agree with this statement. Its purgeable, interruptable, and its blockable. Thats a lot more drawbacks than pretty much every other ability in the game. I would trade it in a heartbeat for a instant cast 20k dmg nuke that knock down stuns. (thats what sorcs have for dmg FYI).

To be honest, I'd much rather have them bring back blinding flashes and give some Aedric spear abilities re-makes.

Flashes was pretty much out greatest defensive ability other then Blazing shield and they go rid of it back lash for RD and keep flashes