Should nightblades refreshing shadow passive be toned down a bit?

Ernest145

My main is an Imperial templar and when running a stam build I use 5 skirmisher, 4 shadow walker, and 1 bloodspawn. This set up gives me about 1700-1800 stam regen (on my repentance bar and I am a vampire because templars have no mobility) and i can reach 3k weapon damage flat. When I logged onto my brothers khajiit stamina nightblade he is able to achieve MORE stam regen without having any of his gear giving him stam regen, which lets him focus on getting a lot more weapon damage than I can. It also lets him use crafted sets which equals nirn. This passive basically gives stam nightblades a huge advantage over other stam builds and also helps out gankers because they can achieve enough sustain with that passive alone. I'm not demanding a nerf but do you guys really think that is right?

Snit

I think it's dangerous to take one aspect of two different classes and compare them in isolation. NB's and Templars have very different sets of strengths and weaknesses.

Ernest145

majicka build yes but for stam build?

Teargrants

This is the official Buff NBs Forum, you've just stirred the bee hive.

Ernest145

I know they do, but really do you think a free 30 percent stam regen isn't pretty crazy?

WRX

Yep. Get rid of the regen entirely. And make cloak only useable every 10 seconds. And it should only remove 1 effect.

Vizier

OP In Short- NO. It should not be toned down a bit. Glad you asked though. Have a nice day. :-/

Lynx7386

It's fine, stop nerfing everything in the name of pvp

lolo_01b16_ESO

Templars have repentance, dks have helping hands and battle roar, nbs have refreshing shadows. There might be situations where one class has an advantage but in general they seem to be balanced.
If anything stamina sorcs need a buff.

Soris

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Templars have repentance, dks have helping hands and battle roar, nbs have refreshing shadows. There might be situations where one class has an advantage but in general they seem to be balanced.
If anything stamina sorcs need a buff.

Just saying, Templar's aura is 10%(passive) + 20% when activated. That 20% active bonus is the same thing you get from potions and they do not stack. The other morph is extreamly situational that it needs dead bodies to be used. NBs getting it by default (without having to waste a skill slot for it) plus potion buff when used = 50% bonus.
Your balance understanding is failed sir.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Sure, in a 1v1 fight refreshing shadows is better, but PvP isn't just about 1v1.
20% more stamina reg equals less than 200 stamina per sec, my templar gets 2,5k stamina per dead body. So as long as you find a dead body (either npc or player) every 12 sec your Templar will have better stamina management.

Soris

Well if you talking about balance, it should include 1v1.
edit: Repentance does not give you 2.5k per corpse. It scales with magicka, so in a stamina build that has average 10k magicka it gives 1.1k stamina back. In a 1v1 fight it's pretty much useless unless you use dwemer set. And you can't fix 20% into a number. It will change based on your base regen. Could be 100 or 200 or 400.

Kerioko

Bosmer = 21% stam regen
Werewolf = 15% stam regen
Full Medium armor = 28% stam regen
Potions = 20% stam regen
Grim Focus (active skill) = 10% stam regen
Shadow Passive = 30% stam regen

So I get a 124% boost to stam regen on my NB.

I run 5 skirmisher/ 3 draugh king/ 2 shadow walker with master bow and master daggers...fully buffed, my weapon damage is around 3.5K - 4K (after dodge roll or with master bow buff) and my regen is around 2500.

I would trade 30% of that for a reliable self-heal or damage shield!

Soris

Vigor? Rally?

Kerioko

Vigor requires rank 10 in PVP....I prefer not to spend the next year farming AP just for one skill!

If I am DW and Bow, rally doesn't work for my build very well, and swapping to two-handed would cause me to lose range options and 300 weapon damage (if I give up bow) or a ton of AOE damage (if I give up duel wield).

So like I said, I would trade my 30% stam regen for a reliable class self heal....As far as PVP, why worry about rally or vigor when I can run DW with resto on my offbar for ward and buffs!

Soris

Vigor is going down to rank 5 in the next update. And none of the classes using class heals with stamina builds. Vigor and Rally give you much more healing output. And yes even DKs use them. So it's not NB specific problem.
As for magicka builds, Healing Ward is already outshining my templar class heal and shield. And as a Templar, I'm using it as my main heal. It's an all-in-one skill which is also very powerful in either way and that's all you need.

Domander

No, it shouldn't.