The flappy, Invasion, Talons, Flame Lash, Gdb, Swarm dk.

jelliedsoup

As a stam nb ihave no idea how to beat this build.

I may be able to from stealth if they're map reading. Otherwise i got nothing.
I have 3700 weapon power buffed.

Anyone got any insights/advice?

Domander

More block, less dodge, and weapon power isn't everything. It will be the toughest fight for a stam nightblade (especially vampire) though, if you don't kill them fast.

If you have vigor, this changes because this type of dk can be outhealed.

Imdrefan

If you are a vamp, it's even harder and you will eat 3k-8k whips in the face. But all you can do is fear them to drop their block get some burst in and try to be hard to hit until their cc immunity is up.

Johngo0036

I am a Vamp NB and always stay clear of Dk's,

However if i wrecking blow them from stealth and follow up quickly i can nuke them is seconds,
If this does not work,
Shadow cloak away and fight another day.

Vis

They're back because whip is broken. It will get better once whip no longer goes through roll. However, it's the hardest on stamina nightblade at the moment. My magicka sorc face tanks them taking no damage through shield as I spam the "lol" animation and wait for them to make a mistake (let go of block).

Kloud

Drop your wep damage to 3k get more regeneration spec into elemental defs flame shock frost damage reduction into champ system and thick skin aka dot damage reduction to beat magika dks you have to wear them down and animation cancel light attacks and skills bash on there perma block wear there stam down use dots like poison arrow and use trip pots with higher regeneration 4k wep damage with get you nothing with out plenty of stam regen wear 5 med 2 heavy or 6 med 1 heavy being able to stay alive as long as they do is the key drain there stam and burst them with the perma block whip I don't play a nb but if I did I would cast fear every time there cc immunity is up use poison arrow and animation light attacks skill bash on there block and every time my ultimate burst is up use it and cloak in and out in the mean times and keep my tripots rolling with rally going stam should drain pretty quickly then gg you win

Oughash

Most matchups are rock/paper/scissors these days.

The DK which you described can't really scratch a good sorc. (Like @Vis said -- sorcs have their "LOL" button, aka hardened ward and Bolt Escape)

Tankqull

Ishammael wrote: »

Most matchups are rock/paper/scissors these days.

The DK which you described can't really scratch a good sorc. (Like @Vis said -- sorcs have their "LOL" button, aka hardened ward and Bolt Escape)

that fight aint winnable for the sorc too


regarding nb-dks utilize magnumshot and fear to drain his stamina as quickly as possible and finish him off when he´s unable to break fear wich might take some time where you have to keep your self together.

Zyle

I'm a stam NB as well, I avoid them. I'm liking this uprising of stam DK though, much more enjoyable to go up against. Those fights can go for a good minute sometimes.

Joy_Division

These magicka DKs weakness is their relatively low stamina pool that they use for invasion.

Takllin

Joy_Division wrote: »

These magicka DKs weakness is their relatively low stamina pool that they use for invasion.

Yup. One of the biggest problems I have is if I use invasion once or twice too much, my stamina pool gets far too low and I can be in trouble really quick against good players.

Kloud

As I said drain there stam have good regen to sustain don't rely on 4k wep damage because I know from experience that you lose a lot of sustain running that much wep damage you can't outlast them ( most magika dks run 5 heavy 2 light) and a description on how to do it if I was a nb

Kloud

Tankqull wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Most matchups are rock/paper/scissors these days.

The DK which you described can't really scratch a good sorc. (Like @Vis said -- sorcs have their "LOL" button, aka hardened ward and Bolt Escape)

that fight aint winnable for the sorc too


regarding nb-dks utilize magnumshot and fear to drain his stamina as quickly as possible and finish him off when he´s unable to break fear wich might take some time where you have to keep your self together.

I'd go withpoison shot over magnum shot to apply the dot it drains stam while block is up

Vis

Ishammael wrote: »

Most matchups are rock/paper/scissors these days.

The DK which you described can't really scratch a good sorc. (Like @Vis said -- sorcs have their "LOL" button, aka hardened ward and Bolt Escape)

It's rarely a "Lol" button. Just happens to be lol against DKs who do nothing but hold block and spam whip. I stop lol'ing once real dps starts (e.g. DK with 2h).

Vis

Tankqull wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Most matchups are rock/paper/scissors these days.

The DK which you described can't really scratch a good sorc. (Like @Vis said -- sorcs have their "LOL" button, aka hardened ward and Bolt Escape)

that fight aint winnable for the sorc too


regarding nb-dks utilize magnumshot and fear to drain his stamina as quickly as possible and finish him off when he´s unable to break fear wich might take some time where you have to keep your self together.

True. The DK has to accidently let go of block for the sorc to win. The only difference between my shield and their holding block is that I can use the "lol" or "dance" animation between renewing shields.

One of my favorite things about magicka DKs who hold block is ignoring them and killing their friends while acting like they are never there. I am not a pve mob. Pvp tanks can't force taunt me.

cozmon3c_ESO

does magnum shot go through block?

Oughash

Vis wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Most matchups are rock/paper/scissors these days.

The DK which you described can't really scratch a good sorc. (Like @Vis said -- sorcs have their "LOL" button, aka hardened ward and Bolt Escape)

It's rarely a "Lol" button. Just happens to be lol against DKs who do nothing but hold block and spam whip. I stop lol'ing once real dps starts (e.g. DK with 2h).

The 2H stam DK is pretty weak against nightblade (stam and magicka), though. Again: rock/paper/scissors.

Because damage output has increased so dramatically since 1.6 the philosophy for builds has changed quite a bit -- you have to pick an active defense and spec all-in for it: Perma-block (mag DKs), cloak+shields (mag NBs), bolt+shield (Sorcs), perma-dodge (stam builds) are examples. Basically, you can't really afford to do more than one. This is fortunate for Sorcs b/c they can spec everything to magicka to increase their shield stacking while at the same time increasing their damage and maneuverability. DKs don't have hardened ward so typically they go for perma-block, which is obtained at the expense of damage. Stam nightblades leverage the marvelous passive of 30% stam regen to achieve active defense (dodge) that also enables them to perform more attacks. And in a strange quirk, magicka melee attacks go through dodge-rolling.

Wreuntzylla

Lol, try killing a templar using a similar build while purging dots.

noobfury

Vis wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Most matchups are rock/paper/scissors these days.

The DK which you described can't really scratch a good sorc. (Like @Vis said -- sorcs have their "LOL" button, aka hardened ward and Bolt Escape)

It's rarely a "Lol" button. Just happens to be lol against DKs who do nothing but hold block and spam whip. I stop lol'ing once real dps starts (e.g. DK with 2h).

Right because really why would anyone want to defend themselves against the obscene amount of damage output in pvp. I mean how silly is that trying to block damage . It would make much more sense to have like some kind of oh I don't know , hardened ward or something rather than have to keep a shield up.

I mean clearly anyone who is able to hold block for very long must be some kind of no skill noob that should learn to bolt escape instead or die heroically rather than spam that pesky whip because we all know what massive damage whip does.

So many unskilled players in pvp , honestly.

Kloud

Stam night blades give me more trouble then any class atm and I don't think magnum shot goes through block beating good stam night blade is paper rock sissors

OdinForge

If no nirn RIP against the better built ones, regardless at least one strategy works fairly consistently with or without nirn. Potatos can see this DK build and try to adopt it, but not everyone will perform it like the top players.

From the perspective of a 2H/Bow type build. Staying mobile with Bow+Double Take, using any nearby LOS and attempting to tire out the DK by making him gap close too much (bads will go gap close crazy). At the same time throw some crit rush+mass hyesteria+surprise attack/soul harvest and retreat again with your mobility until you can get another CC in. You'll be saving your stamina to attack mostly during CC windows, maybe plunking a few poison arrows when they don't have wings on for the DoT / damage. Weapon damage isn't so important with a setup like this.

DW/Bow is difficult missing rally. With high enough weapon damage and good enough escape skills combined with vigor, you can offset the lack of rally.

1H, pop in siphoning attacks use puncture and outlast him. Go for damage during CC phase with surprise attack / soul harvest.

themdogesbite

Its not uncommon at all that a stam NB will deal arround 3k damage through block on me, thats what my whip will hit for if the NB is not blocking / dodgeing. Although most dks have sacrifised a lot of damage in order to compensate to their lack of mobility, just make sure to apply fear everytime cc immunity is down.

Forestd16b14_ESO

So it completely alright to bash DKs about us and our skill but say one bad thing about a templars RD or shield or a sorc and there bolt escape or a NB and there WB spamming and cloak and there just no skill players who need to "L2P". All classes need re work end of story so stop all the bashing on one class when the others are just as broken.

Bouvin

jelliedsoup wrote: »

As a stam nb ihave no idea how to beat this build.

I may be able to from stealth if they're map reading. Otherwise i got nothing.
I have 3700 weapon power buffed.

Anyone got any insights/advice?

Bow/2H.

Dodge Roll.

Stam + Regen. Dodge Roll/Break Free Cost Reduction.

Stack Nirn.

Dodge Roll. Shoot. Dodge Roll Dodge Roll Dodge Roll Dodge Roll. Shoot. Dodge Roll Dodge Roll Dodge. Shoot. You get the idea

Bouvin

I think the biggest problem most DKs cause NBs these days are 10k Flame Lashes if the NB doesn't have Nirn.

DKs aren't exactly OP anymore. Ya, a good DK will melt you, but that' true for any class.

TTK is fast.. but pretty much every class can put out massive DPS, just different techniques for each.

cozmon3c_ESO

are there any weapon abilities that bypass block, cause i need one for my stam sorc to kill these guys more efficiently.

Bouvin

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

are there any weapon abilities that bypass block, cause i need one for my stam sorc to kill these guys more efficiently.

Fear is all I can think of.. .not a wep ability tho.

Vanzen

As a magicka DK (5 heavy/1med/1light) with 1800 mag/1400 stam regen buffed. 9O% of stam nb (or any stam for that matter...) cant do nuts once they failed bursting me from stealth. Only the realy good ones geared for duels can kill me. And even with that regen I still have 1800 spell power, not impressive compared to sorc but ....Enough to kill a few.

Lyzaaa

hilarious thread.. Whip is like.. trash scaling, base dmg everything.. its the only skill thats slightly decent in the DK arsenal and people complain about lmao.. REALLY?

RinaldoGandolphi

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

are there any weapon abilities that bypass block, cause i need one for my stam sorc to kill these guys more efficiently.

No, but if one could kite just long enough to cast Defensive Rune or Rune Cage...both are unblockable..will at the very worst drop block long enough for you to unload on them. Not to mention both spells are really cheap.

Domander

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

are there any weapon abilities that bypass block, cause i need one for my stam sorc to kill these guys more efficiently.

No, but if one could kite just long enough to cast Defensive Rune or Rune Cage...both are unblockable..will at the very worst drop block long enough for you to unload on them. Not to mention both spells are really cheap.

Yeah, or go WW, fear disease and bleed all go through block.