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Bring Back 8m Impulse
Oughash
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Why not?
Steel Tornado radius is 12m, benefits from being able to stack 3-4k weapon damage, gets huge boosts against low-damage and rooted targets. I've seen 8k+ steel tornado hits. Oh yeah: You get double cost reduction and don't have to hit through nirnhoned.
Acid spray benefits from being able to stack 3-4k weapon damage and has a 20m (cone) range (!). I've seen 8k+ acid spray hits. Oh yeah: You get double cost reduction and don't have to hit through nirnhoned.
Game is stupid when AoE spells (steel tornado, acid spray, &c.) do more damage than single-target spells (whip, jabs, &c.).
Not really sure why I picked this skill to complain about -- the game balance between skills is so borked right now. It would take me hours to write it all up. (e.g. why does snipe, at 38 m, do more damage than whip or low slash or other melee attacks? why does wrecking blow, with a hard CC attached, do the most single-target damage? and so on...)
Steel Tornado radius is 12m, benefits from being able to stack 3-4k weapon damage, gets huge boosts against low-damage and rooted targets. I've seen 8k+ steel tornado hits. Oh yeah: You get double cost reduction and don't have to hit through nirnhoned.
Acid spray benefits from being able to stack 3-4k weapon damage and has a 20m (cone) range (!). I've seen 8k+ acid spray hits. Oh yeah: You get double cost reduction and don't have to hit through nirnhoned.
Game is stupid when AoE spells (steel tornado, acid spray, &c.) do more damage than single-target spells (whip, jabs, &c.).
Not really sure why I picked this skill to complain about -- the game balance between skills is so borked right now. It would take me hours to write it all up. (e.g. why does snipe, at 38 m, do more damage than whip or low slash or other melee attacks? why does wrecking blow, with a hard CC attached, do the most single-target damage? and so on...)
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Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I wish they'd just make true AoE abilities do half damage to players and eliminate all the AoE cap logic in cyrodiil. Lag never existed until they started implementing that garbage.
Either way AoE needs nerfed, not buffed further. It just promotes skill less play.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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The_Drexill✭✭✭✭Wtb daoc aoe mechanicsBrandizzle - NB
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Mr_Nobody✭✭✭✭✭The_Drexill wrote: »Wtb daoc aoe mechanics
Would first require proper CC/Immunity and Interrupt management. That would make this game too hard to play for the majority of the playerbase in both PvP and PvE. A game that requires some skill to play isnt usually very popular.0 -
Wahee✭✭✭Prox det is currently the backbone of most good guild groups in PvP, right along with purge. Magicka builds are very effective at dropping 20K+ bursts in the blink of an eye (looking at you DK det + leap). Steel tornado and bombard/acid spray are good but don't come close.
TBH impulse is just a filler ability when you don't have room to charge another prox det. Most fights don't last more than a few seconds anyway and if they do the server explodes.
Magicka builds are IMO more desirable due to what I just described above. I'm not really a fan of the current det bombing meta but it is what it is.Mostly Harmless: PvP leader and officer
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Oughash✭✭✭✭Prox det is currently the backbone of most good guild groups in PvP, right along with purge. Magicka builds are very effective at dropping 20K+ bursts in the blink of an eye (looking at you DK det + leap). Steel tornado and bombard/acid spray are good but don't come close.
TBH impulse is just a filler ability when you don't have room to charge another prox det. Most fights don't last more than a few seconds anyway and if they do the server explodes.
Magicka builds are IMO more desirable due to what I just described above. I'm not really a fan of the current det bombing meta but it is what it is.
Agreed that prox det + leap is extremely strong. It only takes 3 DKs for it to reach numbers equivalent to a group wipe. This is what I run with my fellow DKs. Impulse is only a "filler" in that you spam it in conjunction with your prox det burst. Regardless, the OP was mostly sarcastic.I wish they'd just make true AoE abilities do half damage to players and eliminate all the AoE cap logic in cyrodiil. Lag never existed until they started implementing that garbage.
Either way AoE needs nerfed, not buffed further. It just promotes skill less play.
This is basically what I want: AoE cap completely removed, all AoE damage nerfed by >50%. This includes AoE heals. A good model is Eruption/Cinder Storm or Lightning flood which ticks at ~250-400 every 0.5 s. However, I would appreciate a reversion to dynamic ultimate generation to accompany this change.
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✭✭✭✭I've been hit by a 12k steel tornado through 15% maim. The state of impulse makes no sense in 1.6.Edited by Armitas on 1 June 2015 20:16Retired.
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Sanct16✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rather make Talons 8m range pls.- EU - Raid Leader of Banana Zerg Squad
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AlcastClass RepresentativeWhy not?
Steel Tornado radius is 12m, benefits from being able to stack 3-4k weapon damage, gets huge boosts against low-damage and rooted targets. I've seen 8k+ steel tornado hits. Oh yeah: You get double cost reduction and don't have to hit through nirnhoned.
Acid spray benefits from being able to stack 3-4k weapon damage and has a 20m (cone) range (!). I've seen 8k+ acid spray hits. Oh yeah: You get double cost reduction and don't have to hit through nirnhoned.
Game is stupid when AoE spells (steel tornado, acid spray, &c.) do more damage than single-target spells (whip, jabs, &c.).
Not really sure why I picked this skill to complain about -- the game balance between skills is so borked right now. It would take me hours to write it all up. (e.g. why does snipe, at 38 m, do more damage than whip or low slash or other melee attacks? why does wrecking blow, with a hard CC attached, do the most single-target damage? and so on...)
Go full heavy armor reinforced and problem solved
Or blockI've been hit by a 12k steel tornado through 15% maim. The state of impulse makes no sense in 1.6.
ZOS already said Nirnhoned is bugged, they will fix it in the next Major update. Thats why Magicka is broken as *** atm.Edited by Alcast on 2 June 2015 08:42https://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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✭✭I wish they'd just make true AoE abilities do half damage to players and eliminate all the AoE cap logic in cyrodiil. Lag never existed until they started implementing that garbage.
Either way AoE needs nerfed, not buffed further. It just promotes skill less play.
I rather think it's the amount of calculations if someone uses meteor, healingsprings or Caltrops.
Everytime a player moves they need to check if the player is behind a wall or something. n
Now imagine this for 10+ Meteors, 5+ Caltrops and a massive amount of stackable healing Springs in a place
of around 40-50 people.
First the lag starts and then increases over time thanks to even more meteor spam. Lag ends if one group dies and that happens nearly in an instant.
This cap thing probably got a part in the lag as well.
Edited by Soulac on 2 June 2015 11:01R.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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✭The_Drexill wrote: »Wtb daoc aoe mechanics
and the cc system of it too (before you break in fearsome sweat not the pre SI version but its actual (post ToA) version)spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Steel tornado is rather sick, hitting ppl uncrit for around 7k (atleast me) thats almost the equivalent of a crystal fragment.
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Oughash✭✭✭✭Go full heavy armor reinforced and problem solved
Or block
I think you missed the point of this thread. The problem isn't solved with full heavy and reinforced. (Impulse is blockable, too.)ZOS already said Nirnhoned is bugged, they will fix it in the next Major update. Thats why Magicka is broken as *** atm.
Even if nirnhoned weren't scaling like it does right now there would still be a huge disparity in efficiency and power between impulse and steel tornado / acid spray because of itemization, bonuses, and skill coefficients.Edited by Oughash on 2 June 2015 12:161 -
Sanct16✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭12m range compared to 6m range means the area covered by one steel tornado is 4 times bigger. That's crazy!- EU - Raid Leader of Banana Zerg Squad
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Oughash✭✭✭✭12m range compared to 6m range means the area covered by one steel tornado is 4 times bigger. That's crazy!
Check it:
1. Impulse area: 36*pi
2. Steel tornado area: 144*pi
3. Acid spray: 45/360*20^2*pi = 50*pi (is acid spray 45 degrees? or is it 30?)Edited by Oughash on 2 June 2015 12:420 -
eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Apparently some dev at ZoS figured that AoE execute with 12 meters range would be a great idea in PvP
Terrifying synergy with Proxi(almost as bad of a fotm skill, but at least there's nirn + hardy). So Proxi up, run in and explode, stamina guys executes all survivors with Steel Tornado. Rain of AP. GJ everyone!
And no these skills aren't *** "blob breakers", they're blob buffers.
My highest is 17k Tornado on a single player. But that's not normal. More like full buff stack, crit on super squishy/cc'ed target. Usually more like 10-12k execute crits, also way to much dmg.
Both Proxi and Tornado needs adjusting, to be in line with other AoE's. There's just no way around it.1 -
AlcastClass RepresentativeGo full heavy armor reinforced and problem solved
Or block
I think you missed the point of this thread. The problem isn't solved with full heavy and reinforced. (Impulse is blockable, too.)ZOS already said Nirnhoned is bugged, they will fix it in the next Major update. Thats why Magicka is broken as *** atm.
Even if nirnhoned weren't scaling like it does right now there would still be a huge disparity in efficiency and power between impulse and steel tornado / acid spray because of itemization, bonuses, and skill coefficients.
So what you are saying is that you want as much spellreis/armor res in light armor as a dude in heavy armor? cmon jesus christ.
Because If you had more armor on your Light armor, steeltornado would do less damage.
Thats the live of a Mage, I mean why the freaking crap shouuld some cloths protect you from anything at all? Get used to it and stack shields.https://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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Oughash✭✭✭✭Go full heavy armor reinforced and problem solved
Or block
I think you missed the point of this thread. The problem isn't solved with full heavy and reinforced. (Impulse is blockable, too.)ZOS already said Nirnhoned is bugged, they will fix it in the next Major update. Thats why Magicka is broken as *** atm.
Even if nirnhoned weren't scaling like it does right now there would still be a huge disparity in efficiency and power between impulse and steel tornado / acid spray because of itemization, bonuses, and skill coefficients.
So what you are saying is that you want as much spellreis/armor res in light armor as a dude in heavy armor? cmon jesus christ.
Because If you had more armor on your Light armor, steeltornado would do less damage.
Thats the live of a Mage, I mean why the freaking crap shouuld some cloths protect you from anything at all? Get used to it and stack shields.
Mate, you're misunderstanding this thread. Its not about armor.
A comparison was made between skill with (ostensibly) the same purpose: AoE damage. The skills considered are Impulse, Steel Tornado, and Acid Spray. A comparison was made between scaling factors (coefficient, bonuses, dmg stacking), cost, and area of effect. Impulse is strictly inferior to steel tornado and Acid spray in all categories. Never once did I make any mention of light, medium, or heavy armor.
Regardless, the over-arching point was that AoE skills and abilities should not hit harder or cost less (much less both) than single-target abilities.0 -
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/signedThe wind is cold where I live,
The blizzard is my home,
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Draxys✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭8 meter impulse, softcaps on damage stats (mostly to tame stamina dmg output), more health2013
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Lyzaaa✭✭✭The_Drexill wrote: »Wtb daoc aoe mechanics
Would first require proper CC/Immunity and Interrupt management. That would make this game too hard to play for the majority of the playerbase in both PvP and PvE. A game that requires some skill to play isnt usually very popular.
Yea, thats the sad part about this game.
I would also recommend certain "combo" effects between skills so the Min-Maxing to abuse 1, mabye 2 skills isnt as easy to do or to use. Basicly DK ardent flame abilities complement eachother, i'd like to see this for all classes and way more in depth. More effects. One trick wonder builds wont be as strong and people actually have to think what to do during fights.0 -
Lyzaaa✭✭✭8 meter impulse, softcaps on damage stats (mostly to tame stamina dmg output), more health
Well don't just point the finger to Stamina users. The endless scaling of sorc's shield and the combination of that with resto tsaff makes them harder to kill than heavy armor users. Some classes are rather phuked by the dmg stamina users have but lets be honest, magicka users have their ways to.0 -
Draxys✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭8 meter impulse, softcaps on damage stats (mostly to tame stamina dmg output), more health
Well don't just point the finger to Stamina users. The endless scaling of sorc's shield and the combination of that with resto tsaff makes them harder to kill than heavy armor users. Some classes are rather phuked by the dmg stamina users have but lets be honest, magicka users have their ways to.
Well that's one of the reasons people complain about sorcs, it's easier for a sorc to stack magicka and get tons of dmg because their shield also scales off magicka. DKs for example don't have that luxury since the shield scales off health.
Hmmmmmmm2013
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8 meter impulse? No, it doesn't?DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I just thought I'd chime in here and say the whole concept of a steel tornado breaks my immersion. Like where is all that steel coming from?Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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