Questions for the good Magicka heavy armor DKs out there.

Trayyacakes

Ok as the title says I have some questions for the good heavy armor magicka DKs out there.

1. How do you go about killing magicka sorcerors? I stun them when they don't have immunity, but breaking through all three shields seems almost impossible. I run out of magicka do to the heavy armor long before they do. Their Mines make melee a bit dangerous. How do you deal with them?
2. When whips is made dodgeable in the next patch will you stay magicka? It seems silly to have magicka melee be affected by annulment and dodge while stam melee is only affected by dodge. Will there still be any benefit to staying magicka?
3. When whips is made dodgeable if you don't stay magicka will you stay in heavy armor, or will you switch to medium and dodging attacks is much better defense than blocking them?

Thanks in advanced for all your replies/advice.

Draxys

Hold up, did they explicitly post somewhere that whip can be dodged next patch? Did they include the other classes skills that can't be dodged with that change?

If that's true, dodge cost reduction needs to be severely nerfed in the medium armor line and we need softcaps on regen. Magicka builds would literally not be able to touch stamina.

Trayyacakes

Eso live mentioned whips and concealed weapons should be dodgeable, and that it will be fixed next patch.

Draxys

great

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Thats *** bs! I keep trying to tell people rolling is ok because its easy to counter.......nope! I was even about to reroll a magicka nb just so that I would at least wreck the current fotm.......NOPE! Why don't they just make it immune to everything so all we see in cyrodiil is roll spammers as far as the eye can see. I was going to play a heavy/light magicka nb tank/dps hybrid with the sole purpose of ending my annoying brothers. UGH! Plan was to have a shield and resto staff so I could tank any damage they could deal out and once they started to roll away I would mark em and concealed weapon them to death. They would have been so defenseless......... Such unbridled fun would have been had at the expense of those rolling apes! =( I would have become a folk hero for pvers everywhere, "have you heard of that man who kills the gankers?" "I heard hes pretty dope and makes them look like fools, so that we can continue to farm dungeons." FANTASY AVERTED THANKS ZENIMAX!

Teargrants

Xsorus

Hmmm not sure how balance will be if they are made dodge able... Will have to see what else they change

Joy_Division

Xsorus wrote: »

Hmmm not sure how balance will be if they are made dodge able... Will have to see what else they change

Dude, it ain't that hard to figure it out. Have fun structure entropying them to death.

Oughash

I'll actually answer the questions.

1. You don't. Or at least I don't. In 5H you should have absolutely zero problem tanking their DMG. Just try to disengage because they can run away forever and DKs have no reliable way to chase. If you're set on beating them, you have to try to land a fossilize plus meteor (or leap) combo while being in their face so you can add whips.
2. Whips being didgeable will have to be accompanied by a significant list of other balance changes. I will wait and see what they do.
3. Will wait and see.

Zsymon

I don't think dodge is really overpowered, it's weaker than spamming Hardened Ward, since you can attack while you're shielded, but making more skills dodgeable is not the answer, there should be a set of viable skills that ignore dodge, as there is now, at least for magicka builds.

Nerfing dodge though, will result in stamina builds being AP fodder again, like they used to be, because damage is too high and health is too low. Spamming dodge or Sorc Ward is the only way to survive any length of time anymore.

DoctorSwampy

Joy_Division wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Hmmm not sure how balance will be if they are made dodge able... Will have to see what else they change

Dude, it ain't that hard to figure it out. Have fun structure entropying them to death.

Even that's going to be dodgeable. All abilities are becoming dodgeable according to devs from what I've seen and heard.

Trayyacakes wrote: »

Ok as the title says I have some questions for the good heavy armor magicka DKs out there.

1. How do you go about killing magicka sorcerors? I stun them when they don't have immunity, but breaking through all three shields seems almost impossible. I run out of magicka do to the heavy armor long before they do. Their Mines make melee a bit dangerous. How do you deal with them?
2. When whips is made dodgeable in the next patch will you stay magicka? It seems silly to have magicka melee be affected by annulment and dodge while stam melee is only affected by dodge. Will there still be any benefit to staying magicka?
3. When whips is made dodgeable if you don't stay magicka will you stay in heavy armor, or will you switch to medium and dodging attacks is much better defense than blocking them?

Thanks in advanced for all your replies/advice.

I just avoid Sorcs, they'll just run. Same thing with dodge rollers, no point in giving them the time of day because there's no point chasing a lost cause.

Ishammael wrote: »

I'll actually answer the questions.

1. You don't. Or at least I don't. In 5H you should have absolutely zero problem tanking their DMG. Just try to disengage because they can run away forever and DKs have no reliable way to chase. If you're set on beating them, you have to try to land a fossilize plus meteor (or leap) combo while being in their face so you can add whips.
2. Whips being didgeable will have to be accompanied by a significant list of other balance changes. I will wait and see what they do.
3. Will wait and see.

^ This. Couldn't have said it better, Ish.

Armitas

(not suggesting I'm good)
1. The only time I have killed good sorcs is by making them screw up and try to burst me with overloads that get reflected along with a good timed ultimate drop. If they think they are going to lose they will just press their do over button and bolt away.

You don't have to die to them either, if you are built well you can just ignore them until they go away or you reach your destination. Well most sorcs will, there is one that will try and fight you even if it takes an hour to win. You can also troll them back by finding a rock. Just circle kite the rock and it will cancel their inevitable det leaving them with nothing but curses and staff attacks that can be reflected. They will try and bolt but they will over shoot their mark. It's good trolling fun against a troll build.

2. Yeah. Just because it's the way I want to play. I can't do the whole WB spam thing, it's mind numbingly boring and I can't stand the sound. It's almost the only sound I hear in PvP. Clink clink clink clink clink from a herd of WB spammers hugging my face. The whole Nuke, CC, Buff on one skill is just a bad design decision. With everything on 1 button, why press another button?

3. Staying light, just to spite ZOS.

Davadin

5-heavy tank DK can't kill a sorc unless u can stop them on their track. that involves a few tricks such as fossilize or wrecking blow or talons... but even then, they can still just run away. just dont chase them and whittle them with reflecting scale...


and whats the deal with dodge changes? sure its a change, but i dont see it as a MAJOR upset. i mean, i dont fight a lot of perma-dodger in cyrodiil.... a few, sure. i just DoT them and let them run around until their stamina is out. unstable flame and fiery breath, and switch to poison bow skills if they get too far.

then again, i dont use the whip anymore... (ever since they freakin nerf stampede........ )(...and that allows u to get a free whip)

eliisra

Than a few hours later the stamblade + sorc Mafia found this thread and added some valuable input:

1. Heavy armor DK shouldn't do any dmg, because tank and indented.

2. Light armor DK should just go die because intended. Their fault for not escaping while wearing LA armor.

3. DK's 1.5 god-mode perma block so now clearly l2p issues.

4. Stamina NB's need to dodge bot with hard capped spell res or they cant Uppercunt you for 25k and Cloak is broke.

5. Sorcerer are unable to slot any heals, they need a 15k+ shield and Bolt Escape while bunny jumping like retardos waiting for CF to proc. Much timing and skill goes into that specific rotation. Why not try Fiery Grip, really good for pulling mages!

Topic: I worship the lasts standing old school DK's, they're rare and also the only one's not dodging, cloaking or blinking away, leaving the templar alone to die

#Buff DK's

ItsRejectz

The only issue with nerfing dodge (increasing its cost) is people who don't spec heavily into it will be massively gimped and end up using a most of their stamina with a single roll.

Anyway, imo they should bring back soft caps! You never had people dodging/shield spamimg/bolting anywhere as near as much prior to 1.6

Davadin

I wish DK's chain gives its target 15 sec debuff...

...of not being able to use any gap-closer/teleport skill.