Does Zenimax Care About PvP?

Araxleon

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

I dare say it.

Maplestory = ESO

SHADOW2KK

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

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Derra

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

They care about consoles bc that´s the only thing that might save their jobs.

SHADOW2KK

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

Derra wrote: »

They care about consoles bc that´s the only thing that might save their jobs.

Aye but I highly doubt the console crowd will put up with the abortion that is PvP for long, it will be a case of, `I am paying for this and it gets fixed when?, why bother releasing if it does not work, or sorry Zeni but I know many PC gamers who say that you are working on it blah blah, but nothing gets fixed`

Takes disc out and puts in other game, forgets about ESO

Well the ball is in Zeni`s court, fix the game, or suffer even more people leaving the game, both PC and console players to come, but the die hards hehe.

OdinForge

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

If you ask this question on /r/elderscrollsonline

Yes ZOS cares, because they gave us coldharbour siege (same skin as the machines our fine men and mer make, different color flame).

The people who think ZOS has any kind of connection with its PvP community, are the kinds of players remaking low levels and ERP'ing in Stonefalls. They don't deal with the performance and bugs we do day to day.

Preyfar

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

I vote no. Patches have never really done much for PVP, basic problems with the keep (e.g. can't run up the stairs in certain keeps) have been there since launch, simple fixes/tweaks to Cyrodiil are completely missing/lacking...

Roll Dodge is insanely abused, the restrictions once put in place on Bolt Escape don't matter since 1.6... and ZOS is nowhere to be seen even to say "Hey, we're aware that this is a frustration and we're looking into it." Even if it was just that I'd accept that, but they've taken blanket radio silence. I don't even know if the PVP team still works there.

PeggymoeXD

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

OdinForge wrote: »

If you ask this question on /r/elderscrollsonline

Yes ZOS cares, because they gave us coldharbour siege (same skin as the machines our fine men and mer make, different color flame).

The people who think ZOS has any kind of connection with its PvP community, are the kinds of players remaking low levels and ERP'ing in Stonefalls. They don't deal with the performance and bugs we do day to day.

So true. I gave up on speaking the TRUTH about PvP in this game on reddit because those level 20 fanboy RP'ers downvote the hell out of me every time.

Cormore

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

wow look at that poll lol

Vizier

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

I'm becoming more and more convinced they just don't know what to do. They really need to stop listening to whatever sycophantic feedback they've been getting and start looking at real players for WTF is poisoning Cyrodiil.

So many times they seemed to be on the right track but their AVA and balance fixes seem to cause more problems then they take care of. Best thing they've done for PvP was remove forward camps but IMO that's pretty sad when entirely removing something from the game is the best thing they've done so far...after a year.

MoneyOverEverything

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

Time to start a new poll!

Everyone who didnt vote for

!!!Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?!!!

is a

A Totally Noob

B Troll

C Zenimax-Employer

D Casual

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Anyways, the mainproblem is that they dont even play their own game, u need 1 week in cyrodiil to know what should be fixed or not.

Methariorn

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

I say no: in more than a year the game is out players reported broken mechanics, even on PTS, and they still go for it. Yep I quote: the main problem is that they don't play the game, at last the PvP part

Legedric

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

It's not really even the fact that Cyrodiil is such a wasteland that pisses me off. It's that we get little to no feedback from the devs about what is going on. Just because they decide to release a console version shouldn't mean completely shutting out the people who have been loyal paying for a year and are burnt out on this crap.

Fixed that for you

ArcVelarian

Not really, their communication is slightly lacking, but they are doing a good job.

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

TheBucket wrote: »

I wish some people who make polls like this have worked even an hour in the gaming business or programmed one line of code .

Console release is like releasing a whole other game. If you are bored... Leave and come back

I'm still wondering why it was so necessary to release this game on console. I guess if the company is going under and the money is needed.. But otherwise, playing this game with no addons would be next to impossible for me. Also controller.

They didn't want to have to refund everyone who pre-ordered the console versions back in 2014.

ArcVelarian

Not really, their communication is slightly lacking, but they are doing a good job.

MoneyOverEverything wrote: »

Anyways, the main problem is that they dont even play their own game, u need 1 week in cyrodiil to know what should be fixed or not.

1. Remove the ability to Travel to Players in Cyrodiil. Entire guilds have exploited this to run on two factions on the same server, farming emperor and driving everyone else to quit PvP entirely.
2. A dedicated team of GMs for every PvP server to keep an eye out for hacking and exploiting players.
3. Zergs balls... Make them a good way for your group to get wiped out.
4. Start banning players who use macros in PvP. It's already against the ToS, so start enforcing it!

Durham

The problem is simple folks... Community communications...

The game made less money then expected hince the change in the business model.. This has caused them to break many promises... The console launch evidently is consuming well over half of the resources of the staff... PC players feel abandoned.... Little to no communication from ZoS is unbelievable from a business standpoint
..

Grade of an F on customer relations mainly due to horrid communications.
Grade of an F to a D- on fixing existing issues
Grade of an D on new content
Grade of a D on keeping promises
Grade of an C on PVP population balance sorry ..DC you probally rate this D- to F
Grade of a B on the fun of PVP .... when lagged out this is an F....(existing issues)
Grade of a B+ on PVE
Grade of an A on game design

The first 3 issues will kill a mmorpg game ... This game would solo dead right now if the game design was laclkuster..
Most of us see potential but are so frustrated in a company that tells us little to nothing on future plans...

Snit

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

It's not really even the fact that Cyrodiil is such a wasteland that pisses me off. It's that we get little to no feedback from the devs about what is going on. Just because they decide to release a console version shouldn't mean completely shutting out the people who have been loyal for a year and are burnt out on this crap.

This bothers me, too.

We all understand that console is a big deal -- Skyrim sold a bazillion copies on console, so there should be a large audience for TESO. And there are certainly some very busy technical people making sure the port and opening go well. But what about everyone else?

I suppose it's possible that everyone in charge of producing content, balancing combat and the like are all stupendously cross-trained in the technical aspects of X-Box and PS4 ports. But I find that unlikely. Maybe they're working on a big piece of DLC?

Armitas

Sort of, issues get fixed relatively fast!

They listen to a select few privately. Those of us on the forums are largely ignored I think except for random windows of observation. Case in point the changes to dodge announced on eso live. So yeah you can count all your efforts on the forums from beta 1.6 to now to have been largely missed. We can only hope that the handful of people talking to them are altruistic enough not cling to their advantage when they discuss things with ZOS. I would not even trust myself entirely with that task.

The moderators may read every word but I don't think they're looking for any insights they are just watching for breaches of conduct.

I think they play the game, but not like we do. No one could play this game like we do in PvP and not grab a hold of someone in charge and say, "this is jacked up! Fix this before I lose my mind!". Shoot the first time I was forced to play the mini game where you try to put siege in your hotslot while your inventory jumps to the top I would have gone to that guys office and said "FIX THIS ABOMINATION NOW!". Games been out for over a year and this mini game still exists and there is no prize if you beat it.

PvP right now is just a continual series of aggravation that would put anyone to their limits. You simply cannot play this game and be ignorant of the stuff we see everyday. Look, the majority of people in this poll are experiencing a game bug every 5m! No employee could seriously play this game and not experience this stuff and I can't imagine any that would not directly try to put a stop to it. But then these bugs are still here so yeah, inexplicable.

Can anyone tell how aggravated I am with this game? Not only do I have to deal with all the aggravating bugs I have to deal with the ridiculous outcome of 1.6 until they finish console. What a terrible terrible position to put people in.

Bouvin

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

@zos

Some good info in here about how you're community currently feels about your communication and ability to fix bugs.

umagon

It's a large business and like all they are uncaring about their customers. Everything comes down to profit and hyping things up to make box sells. The thing is both players and devs get the shaft. Most games can not be made on small budgets so often it is corporations who invest the finances with the expectation of a large reinvestment. In the upper food chain (if you will) they don't care about players devs get stuck with not caring either because if they do and don't do as the upper management tells them to do they get fired.

Everything comes down to profit margin and the people at the top don't care who they sh** on they just they just want to make more money. Players aren't seen as people or even humans only vessels that hold their ticket to their next bugatti. The main problem is players keep falling for the tactics over and over. Hype up, cash out, roll out with middle fingers in the air. Because that's real CEOs roll.

rfennell_ESO

The poll is really... not very neutral.

I think they do care about pvp and have made the best pvp experience in gaming right now. It's good and it's fun and it's always active.

Are there issues that they really ought get on and communicate with us? Sure.

Does their console release thing mean crap to a pc player, not really but it is understandable... a console release is a big thing, so I guess I can understand to a degree.

Overall... other than a couple issues in pvp which need to be addressed... it's still great pvp.

What they need to address is:

The OBVIOUS intentional lagging of servers by certain malcontents and the guilds they represent. The players in particular that do it and those guilds that utilize it should be banned. Every one of them, they all know what's going on and they are using it to farm AP and ruin gameplay for others.

The way some players can hit you with multiple abilities at the very same time. This isn't animation cancelling... This is a DK with a mad king from game of thrones name using invasion and then hitting you with 4 flame lashes at once. Obvious other instances of this happen regularly as well.. It's obvious and some of these people have achieved quite high alliance war ranks abusing them. Ban Ban Ban.

What they need to think about is:

The entire animation system and how it can be abused. Anyone that has ever picked up a two hander and knows how long wrecking blow takes to hit knows that a couple collections of dubious moral fiber (and growing) have settled on macroing it. It's either illegal and bannable or it's gotta be addressed. It's a grey area, no doubt... being it can be done manually and every cad in cyrondil using macros to thwart the animation cancelling system for personal gain will undoubtedly resort to claiming they are doing it manually. Maybe some are, more likely very few are. It needs to be addressed in some form, preferably to prevent it and be done with it.

What they need to do after the above is rectified:

Work on balancing some abilities. Work on more communication with the player base.

Derra

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

@rfennel_ESO I´ve tried to play pvp for the last 90 minutes on thornblade EU. It is not possible. My ping is constantly displaying 200+ and this is an issue with the game as TS is 15ms and various pingtest sites are between 16 and 22 ms.

I can tell you every time a "bigger" battle on the map happens bc even when i´m standing in the middle of nowhere one can notice a nice ability delay from 5 to 30 seconds without the ping changing. My char will get stuck in casting or channeling animations. Teleport will do nothing for a good 10 seconds and than teleport me back into the enemies i tried to get away from in the first place (the game basically switches between: whoa this is quite laggy to: ok its unplayable again - look nothing is working...)

Edit: This is btw why all my 9 to 5 working guildsmates quit eso (started with 15ppl - 3 left). The game was and still is unplayable during primetime.

In theory they have the best pvp available - but it just does not work half of the time. The game is malfuntioning on various elementary levels.
There are so many bugs (not even counting lag) that i don´t even dare to comment on balance anymore. Who the hell knows if stamina burst is truely overpowered - it´s just not possible to react bc the game does not play snipe sounds, still suffers from health desync, not played animations and delayed or skipped weapon switches.

It´s a complete farce that ppl still try to defend this utter piece of crap.

glak

If ZOS ever allowed dueling, then that would invite hyper Quality Analysis in PvE land. That in turn would invite weekly bug reports submitted by players doing regression testing of their pet bugs without having to set up a duel in PvP. Templars would make a mess of bug reports enough to make ZOS' head spin. It would be glorious!

EDIT: Not to mention all the ninja changes that are claimed to be bugs caused by an extremely special case when we know better.

Vis

Yes, they care very much and are very attentive to what we say!

It's still a better love story than Twighlight though.

Farorin

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

I truly understand that ZOS is under a lot of pressure, having financial issues, and are focusing on console, but as stated, the least they could do is tell us "we understand that there are some problems and we are looking into it", so that we at least get a tiny glimmer of hope. As it is now though, we have nothing in PVP, and PVP is slowly slowly dying...

Erock25

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

I wonder if ZOS feels bad about how one sided these poll results are.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

Farorin wrote: »

the least they could do is tell us "we understand that there are some problems and we are looking into it"

The fact that they are not doing even that little bit of damage control makes me suspect that they are, in fact, not looking into it any longer. I seriously think they have given up on ever fixing it.

All_Bizniz

Not at all, they don't communicate with us, they don't fix broken mechanics, do they even play the game?

Yes, they care very much and are very attentive to what we say!

^^ clearly, these 3 that voted for this, are devs trying to deceive us

Vis

Yes, they care very much and are very attentive to what we say!

All_Bizniz wrote: »

Yes, they care very much and are very attentive to what we say!

^^ clearly, these 3 that voted for this, are devs trying to deceive us

Yes, because that would be the only way for the devs to influence a poll that is being carried out on their OWN server.